What is Judaism?

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  1. S.A.M.

    S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Not really, I have no desire to adapt to nonsensical attitudes and practices simply because they are performed by a majority, thats called argumentum ad populum I think and is a logical fallacy.
     
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    The superior man...does not set his mind either for anything, or against anything; what is right he will follow.
     
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  5. S.A.M.

    S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Maybe I'm not superior or a man. Meanwhile, your arguments seem to be irrelevant to figuring out the source for tribal instincts and how they bypass the usual controls of loyalty or religion.
     
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    When we see men of worth, we should think of equaling them; when we see men of a contrary character, we should turn inwards and examine ourselves.
     
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  8. S.A.M.

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    Done, still cannot fathom the tribalism of Jews and why they have this whole paranoia thing going.

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    You'd think most of them would be intelligent enough to see how self defeating it is to be pluralistic outside and ethnocentric at home, kind of a cultural schizophrenia. So what keeps so many of them inside the clutches of a failed model of tribal identity?
     
    S.A.M., Aug 28, 2009
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  9. earth

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    I think what I said has been over your head.
     
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  10. S.A.M.

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    Probably, if you depend too much on metaphor, I will miss your point

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    By three methods we may learn wisdom: First, by reflection, which is noblest; Second, by imitation, which is easiest; and third by experience, which is the bitterest.
     
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  12. S.A.M.

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    Fourth, by talking straight which is clearest.
     
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    By observing the mistakes of others, one can gain experience without having to make the mistakes him or herself.
     
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  14. spidergoat

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    No that's called religion.
     
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  15. Fraggle Rocker

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    Poppycock. There are Jews who would happily sit around and discuss this stuff all day. Even with each other, certainly with goyim.

    Judaism has been succinctly characterized as a religion of law, rather than one of faith. It's also been called a religion of this world, rather than the next. That's a sound bite, but it does a good job of identifying its difference from the two world-dominating offshoots of Abrahamism.

    What matters most is your deeds, not your beliefs. What you should care about is what the people you leave behind will think of you after you're gone, not what God will think of you eleventy gazillion years in the future when he decides to reanimate all the corpses and assigns you to an afterlife.
    Homo sapiens is a pack social species, so tribalism is a fundamental instinct. Without it we would never have gathered in communities in the first place. All Abrahamic religions reinforce our tribal instinct by giving us an excuse to support our sneaking suspicion that the people in the next tribe are inferior.

    I don't know which manifestation of tribalism you're looking at, but there can be no question that war is the worst one. All Abrahamists periodically rise up en masse and make war on outsiders, as often as not in the name of their god and with the blessing of their religious leaders. The exceptions--such as the Quakers and the Rastafarians--are so rare and remarkable as to make you want to x-ray one and figure what makes them different.
    Come on Sam, you're lapsing into disingenuity again. We all know that every community, religious or otherwise, has its assholes. Do you want us to judge your religion by its one-percenters?
    No, in the case of religion it's called archetypal instinct. People believe in the supernatural because it's preprogrammed in our synapses by an accident of evolution, perhaps a mutation in the DNA of Mitochondrial Eve or Y-Chromosome Adam, the last genetic bottlenecks who are the ancestors of every living human. It's something we've "known" since we were born, so it feels "more true" than the things we know from reasoning and learning.
     
    Fraggle Rocker, Aug 29, 2009
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  16. Mrs.Lucysnow

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    Yes unless they knew what it is that Sam is doing when she broaches these subjects which has nothing to do with any genuine interest in understanding jewish life or faith.
     
    Mrs.Lucysnow, Aug 29, 2009
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  17. James R

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    Well, we've gone quickly from a query about Judaism that appeared from the start to lack good faith to implying that all Jews would send their children to a gas chamber and join the Nazis.

    Well done SAM. Thread closed.
     
    James R, Aug 29, 2009
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