Is forcing sex on a pornstar the same as rape?

If someone agrees to do it in exchange for money, they have much in common. Is working in the porn industry not a legitimate way to make a living in your opinion?

 

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That is beside the point. If I steal a pack of gum, is it the same thing as stealing a car?

Repo, when was the last time you had someone else's penis inside your body?

 

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Well they chose to do that job!

 

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They are both forms of theft. Laws generally recognize that the value of what has been stolen will change the punishment for the crime. Filing papers and acting in adult films are both legal at this time. Do you consider employment theft?

That would be never, your point? I've never acted in adult films, I've never been a stripper, I've never posed nude for money, I've never been a soldier and killed for my country. Am I allowed to have opinions on those subjects? A list of professions I haven't done could be quite long.

 

Both.

 

Wouldn't it depend on whether she was raped by a potential john or not? I'd say a non paying customer might change the classification from sex for money to rape. But if a prostitute is simply a victim of convenience by a serial rapist, then it would be standard rape, same as any other victim.

 

i feel your pain, buddy

/saddened

 

What is sex by coercion? If the person thinking that they NEED the job, their life depends on it, and the employer takes advantage of that fear and uses it against the person to get sex - what's that? Isn't it rape?

 

Forcing sex on anyone is rape. It isn't only rape when the person being forced to have sex is a prim and proper school marm. It is rape even when the person being forced to have sex is a slut or a whore. The operative word is forced.

 

I was responding to defining the rape of a prostitute as both rape and robbery. I didn't dispute that it was rape, just that it could only be defined as robbery if it were by a customer (theft of her services). Failure to pay may not reclassify it as rape, but the rape of a prostitute by someone who was not a customer certainly isn't robbery.

 

Is that really worse than working in a coal mine, inhaling dust that poison your lungs and living with the constant risk of a cave in?

 

It's her damn job, get used to it. Jeez, even pornstars have rights today...despite the fact that they make millions.

 

They probably get really well-paid and they probably love shagging. They're probably all too lazy and stupid to operate a checkout so they probably all like lying on their backs watching the dollars roll in. They can choose their level of involvement. If they don't like being peed on they can probably just do those made-for-TV ones that never live up to their promises, and that just seem to be exercises in viewer frustration.

They probably all love it and get paid millions and no-one is forcing them.

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When I make this kind of point I tend to be labeled a lefty. In any case, good point.

 

That you have no idea whatsoever what you're talking about. It's no wonder you're looking at sexual intercourse as the violative equivalent of having to listen to a disgruntled customer.

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I can't figure out to what extent they're trying to justify their own attitudes. But it seems to me that somewhere in this "paperwork is rape" argument is a craven desire to license any form of rape.

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Consent given under duress is not proper consent.

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I don't think it's a proper comparison. In other words, while I think coal mines involve atrocious, dehumanizing conditions, I don't see the connection between entering a dangerous area and having a penis inserted into your body.

When did you last have another person's penis inside your body, Madanthonywayne?

 

B... bu..

It's not rape though, is it Tiassa? Candi is perfectly consenting, and free to seek alternative employ.

 

Consent given under duress is not valid consent.

Yes. It is rape.

I've noticed that even though I've made certain points about the industry and asked for something more specific, people are unwilling to clarify. Thus, we're left at a general consideration.

I want you to consider the exchange:

Labor Investigator: We have a complaint that you would not pay a woman for work done on your film unless she had sex with a man she did not want to have sex with.

Porn Producer: Well, she violated her contract.

Labor Investigator: How so?

Porn Producer: By not having sex with the man.

Labor Investigator: Are you saying she was contractually obliged to have sex with this man?

Porn Producer: Yes.

Labor Investigator: And her payment was contingent upon fulfilling this act under the contract?

Porn Producer: Yes.

Labor Investigator: Are you saying that you are organizing and patronizing prostitution?

Porn Producer: Er ... um ... er ... the Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution says I do not have to answer that question.​

 

B.. bu..

The specifics of the industry are, with regard to the present context:

1. The employee is free to seek alternative employ.
2. The employee is free to make an allegation of rape, or attempted rape, or report any other crime, at the earliest opportunity afforded her.
3. The employee is free to have sex with any big, ugly brute she pleases. And...
4. To not do.

I would ask you to consider this exchange:

Porn Producer: Hi Candi, welcome to Sleezy B Productions. Take your coat off, please - and then have sex with this man. {points}
Candi: I, uh... say what?
Porn Producer: Take your coat off, please - and then have sex with this man. {points}
Candi: I, uh... what, you mean right now!?
Porn Producer: Yes, please - and hurry. Time is money. Come along, we haven't got all day.
Candi: Oh wait, wait a second... you mean I have to have sex?
Porn Producer: {Stares disbelievingly} Well, er, yes, er... Candi, why do you think you're here?
Candi: Er, um... well I came about the cleaner's job?
Porn Producer: Ah...

In other words, the dirty little slags know exactly what they're getting into and no-one's forcing them to have sex for money.

I don't see the problem?

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[ok, so maybe the younger one's might need a bit of guidance. They do have legal recourse though if anyone does force them to do anything they don't want to. It's weird though - I don't think I've ever heard of a single case. Probably it's just that I haven't looked.

Looks.]

 

Nada.

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