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EmptyForceOfChi 05-20-07, 10:08 AM i think that homosexual couples who "have" or adopt childre have a severe effect on the childs mind, if a boy was to be raised by 2 guys, i think he definately would be influenced by homosexuality and might turn him gay aswell,
if 2 women raise a girl she is most likely going to have a same skewed effect. also the children are going to have a very hard time socialising at school, due to other children picking on them, and i think it could have a very negative effect on the childs mind,
because bieng homosexual goes against the natural cycle of reproduction, if all men were gay then the human race would not continue. and a child that is raised by a gay couple i think pesonaly is more likely to suffer from various types of confusion,
what do other people think about gay couples that raise kids? will the kids be confused and have an altered view? will they suffer very badly at school from bullying and pay the price?
peace.
i think that homosexual couples who "have" or adopt childre have a severe effect on the childs mind, if a boy was to be raised by 2 guys, i think he definately would be influenced by homosexuality and might turn him gay aswell,
So how did people first become gay if they were raised by traditional (male & female) parents?
also the children are going to have a very hard time socialising at school, due to other children picking on them, and i think it could have a very negative effect on the childs mind,
Then that's a question of education surely. You shouldn't pick on people because of who (or what) their parents are.
because bieng homosexual goes against the natural cycle of reproduction,
But it happens in nature. Hedgehogs and swans (IIRC) spring to mind.
EmptyForceOfChi 05-20-07, 10:19 AM So how did people first become gay if they were raised by traditional (male & female) parents?
Then that's a question of education surely. You shouldn't pick on people because of who (or what) their parents are.
But it happens in nature. Hedgehogs and swans (IIRC) spring to mind.
i dont get it. what do you mean how did people become gay in the first place.
people will make fun of others if they have 2 dads.
no animals are not gay, they are confused about the gender of anouther animal, are you saying there are male swans that wont mate with females, and it will only mate with a male?
peace.
EmptyForceOfChi 05-20-07, 10:20 AM why didnt you answer the scientific part of the question? would it confuse the child and have a negative effect on his upbringing?
peace.
i dont get it. what do you mean how did people become gay in the first place.
You implied that having gay parents could "turn" someone gay. So where did the first gay people come from if everyone else was straight?
people will make fun of others if they have 2 dads.
People make fun of someone because they're taller/ shorter/ fatter/ thinner and anything else you can think of. Doesn't make it right or valid.
no animals are not gay, they are confused about the gender of anouther animal, are you saying there are male swans that wont mate with females, and it will only mate with a male?
Yup, according to a documentary a couple of years back.
Found this:
http://www.bidstrup.com/sodomy.htm
Bonobos are 100% bisexual!
"Homosexuality has been observed in more than 1,500 species, and the phenomenon has been well described for 500 of them," said Petter Bockman, project coordinator of the exhibition.
From: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15750604/
wsionynw 05-20-07, 10:27 AM i think that homosexual couples who "have" or adopt childre have a severe effect on the childs mind, if a boy was to be raised by 2 guys, i think he definately would be influenced by homosexuality and might turn him gay aswell,
if 2 women raise a girl she is most likely going to have a same skewed effect. also the children are going to have a very hard time socialising at school, due to other children picking on them, and i think it could have a very negative effect on the childs mind,
because bieng homosexual goes against the natural cycle of reproduction, if all men were gay then the human race would not continue. and a child that is raised by a gay couple i think pesonaly is more likely to suffer from various types of confusion,
what do other people think about gay couples that raise kids? will the kids be confused and have an altered view? will they suffer very badly at school from bullying and pay the price?
peace.
I'm not sure there's enough evidence to conclude one way or the other. Gay couples should surely have the right to adopt if straight couples can adopt, equal rights and all that. If the gay couple can prove that they are capable of raising a child then let them.
Perhaps if more children grew up around gay couples then there would be less intolerance towards gay people, even allowing for the minority of school bullies.
Dark520 05-20-07, 10:29 AM Well, I happen to know a kid who was raised by two gay parents, and he seemed perfectly fine; granted I can't see his thoughts.
Merely based on my observations, I would have to say that your assertions are wrong.
I, personally, wonder how the child could not be, well, to be blunt, screwed up by having his parents being gay, but I guess it's possible.
EmptyForceOfChi 05-20-07, 10:33 AM You implied that having gay parents could "turn" someone gay. So where did the first gay people come from if everyone else was straight?
People make fun of someone because they're taller/ shorter/ fatter/ thinner and anything else you can think of. Doesn't make it right or valid.
Yup, according to a documentary a couple of years back.
Found this:
http://www.bidstrup.com/sodomy.htm
Bonobos are 100% bisexual!
From: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15750604/
yeah i said it could, i didnt say everyone who is gay will turn others gay, and i still think it might turn the kid gay who knows.
yeah but someone who is short is not going to get ripped on as much as someone who has 2 fathers who pound each others assholes :), seriously im not against gays, it disgusts me a little yeah but a person is a person,
seriously you know a kid will get ripped on for having 2 fathers. imagine a parent teacher conference where everyones parents come in with the kids, then the gay kids 2 dads walk in, people are going to make fun of the poor kid all the time. even more than when i call my kid gohan.
and bisexual is not homosexual, as i said before its confusion not preference when it comes to wild animals.
peace.
EmptyForceOfChi 05-20-07, 10:35 AM I'm not sure there's enough evidence to conclude one way or the other. Gay couples should surely have the right to adopt if straight couples can adopt, equal rights and all that. If the gay couple can prove that they are capable of raising a child then let them.
Perhaps if more children grew up around gay couples then there would be less intolerance towards gay people, even allowing for the minority of school bullies.
yeah i know theres not enough evidence, thats why im trying to have a conductive debate about it now to conflude one way or the other, if the chiild of a gay couple leads a more difficult and confusing life than that of a child from a regular couple.
how can a gay couple prove they wont have a bad effect on the child.
peace/
EmptyForceOfChi 05-20-07, 10:37 AM Well, I happen to know a kid who was raised by two gay parents, and he seemed perfectly fine; granted I can't see his thoughts.
Merely based on my observations, I would have to say that your assertions are wrong.
I, personally, wonder how the child could not be, well, to be blunt, screwed up by having his parents being gay, but I guess it's possible.
yeah if one child is ok it doesent mean that 100 others wont be. like a child brought up by 2 smokers might not end up smoking, but it doesent mean that alot might smoke because of it.
peace.
MetaKron 05-20-07, 10:38 AM i think that homosexual couples who "have" or adopt childre have a severe effect on the childs mind, if a boy was to be raised by 2 guys, i think he definately would be influenced by homosexuality and might turn him gay aswell,
if 2 women raise a girl she is most likely going to have a same skewed effect. also the children are going to have a very hard time socialising at school, due to other children picking on them, and i think it could have a very negative effect on the childs mind,
because bieng homosexual goes against the natural cycle of reproduction, if all men were gay then the human race would not continue. and a child that is raised by a gay couple i think pesonaly is more likely to suffer from various types of confusion,
what do other people think about gay couples that raise kids? will the kids be confused and have an altered view? will they suffer very badly at school from bullying and pay the price?
peace.
Well, when you put it that way, what responsible person could possibly contradict you?
Smoking is a learnt habit. I know children of smokers who have never touched a cigarette.
Being gay is about orientation and the individual's make-up. If you went to live with a community of gay people how long would you have to stay there to become gay yourself?
EmptyForceOfChi 05-20-07, 10:41 AM Well, when you put it that way, what responsible person could possibly contradict you?
i dont know.
peace.
EmptyForceOfChi 05-20-07, 10:45 AM Smoking is a learnt habit. I know children of smokers who have never touched a cigarette.
Being gay is about orientation and the individual's make-up. If you went to live with a community of gay people how long would you have to stay there to become gay yourself?
it was a mild comparison.
living in a community usualy means you soak up the culture around you, dont humans adapt to the enviroment and surroundings at hand?
i wouldent want to live in a homosexual community personaly. if a child is shown something then he will copy it usualy, monkey see monkey do.
if a child sees 2 guys holding hands and kissing, then he will think its normal. like if a child sees people swearing and using curse words, he will pick up on it and curse and swear himself, thinking its normal and ok.
peace.
if a child sees 2 guys holding hands and kissing, then he will think its normal. like if a child sees people swearing and using curse words, he will pick up on it and curse and swear himself, thinking its normal and ok.
But surely one is a behaviour pattern (swearing) and the other is not.
I spend most of my drinking time in gay clubs these days (my drinking buddy is a lesbian (in a partnership before you ask :D )) and there is no way I'm tempted to try out the "alternative".
wsionynw 05-20-07, 10:52 AM yeah i know theres not enough evidence, thats why im trying to have a conductive debate about it now to conflude one way or the other, if the chiild of a gay couple leads a more difficult and confusing life than that of a child from a regular couple.
how can a gay couple prove they wont have a bad effect on the child.
peace/
They can't, no more than a straight couple can. What if the child a straight couple adopts turns out to be gay, will they then have a negative effect on their adopted gay child?
Is it better to leave a child in an orphanage or allow a gay couple to adopt that child? What's better or worse for that child's development?
What about single parents? Are their children confused, do they have a more difficult life than a child adopted by a gay couple.
How do we decide who is and isn't fit to be a parent?
EmptyForceOfChi 05-20-07, 10:54 AM But surely one is a behaviour pattern (swearing) and the other is not.
I spend most of my drinking time in gay clubs these days (my drinking buddy is a lesbian (in a partnership before you ask :D )) and there is no way I'm tempted to try out the "alternative".
yeah but going to a club on weekends is not the same as bieng raised and influenced since birth.
peace.
EmptyForceOfChi 05-20-07, 10:56 AM They can't, no more than a straight couple can. What if the child a straight couple adopts turns out to be gay, will they then have a negative effect on their adopted gay child?
Is it better to leave a child in an orphanage or allow a gay couple to adopt that child? What's better or worse for that child's development?
What about single parents? Are their children confused, do they have a more difficult life than a child adopted by a gay couple.
How do we decide who is and isn't fit to be a parent?
yes the children of single parents are effected in a negative manner, a child needs both the influence of a man and a woman. im sure most parents would agree with that. the mans influence is needed on the child and so is the womans,
peace.
Baron Max 05-20-07, 11:53 AM No, gay couples should not be permitted to adopt children. They also should not be permitted to marry.
Baron Max
EmptyForceOfChi 05-20-07, 12:01 PM do you think it would mess with the childs head baron? i personaly think it is very possible that the child would turn out a bit messed up compared to "normal kids"
whats wrong with gay marraige?
peace.
Baron Max 05-20-07, 12:17 PM do you think it would mess with the childs head baron? i personaly think it is very possible that the child would turn out a bit messed up compared to "normal kids"
Well, think of it this way ....how would you have liked growing up with two mommies or two daddies, and all the other kids had one mommy and one daddy? What would all your friends say ...assuming you had any?
whats wrong with gay marraige?
Marriage is a legal contract between a man and a woman ...of legal age, and not related directly by blood. Other forms of relationships are variously called "living together", "roommates", "friends", "fuck buddies", etc ....but none of them are called "marriages" because they AIN'T marriages. Would you call a Ford car a Chevy? Why not? Hmm, 'cause it AIN'T one!
Baron Max
EmptyForceofChi:
You "think". That is key here. The existing data do not support that outlook. Children of gay parents do no worse than their heterosexually-parented counterparts, and in some circumstances surpass them.
Marriage is a legal contract between a man and a woman ...of legal age, and not related directly by blood.
Which is exactly why conservatives in so many states are scrambling to put new definitions on the books to match yours.
Maybe they should have thought of defining marriage before. But they didn't.
the state of being a married couple voluntarily joined for life (or until divorce); "a long and happy marriage"; "God bless this union"
From http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&channel=s&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&hs=jfB&defl=en&q=define:marriage&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title
In fact on the three links I picked from Google (marriage definition) none of them get into what sex the partners are until the sceond or third paragraph. And then they say only that it's most commonly between a man and a woman
How about:
Definition: The definition of marriage depends on not only the historial period, but also on the geographical location and the cultural traditions of the individuals involved in the marriage relationship.
A general definition of marriage is that it is a social contract between two individuals that unites their lives legally, economically and emotionally.
Being married also gives legitmacy to sexual relations within the marriage. Forms of marriage include:
* monogamy
* polygamy
* polygyny
* polyandry
* same-sex
* pragmatic (arranged)
* romantic
* forced
from http://marriage.about.com/od/historyofmarriage/g/marriage.htm
EmptyForceOfChi 05-20-07, 02:59 PM EmptyForceofChi:
You "think". That is key here. The existing data do not support that outlook. Children of gay parents do no worse than their heterosexually-parented counterparts, and in some circumstances surpass them.
yes i think, whats wrong with that? surpass in what? since when did this become about academics. they might do well in class but what about socialy and mentaly?
there is no evidence to support it either way like you said, so it could harm them alot we dont know yet.
peace.
Nothing's wrong with it. But the existing data does suggest other than the opinion you've expressed. I'll try to dig some up later this week (I'm running out of time before I depart back to Seattle, so I'm not up for doing the digging right now). But, for instance, some data suggests that children of gay parents relate better to their teachers and other adults of influence in their lives. The problem with the homophobes' counterpoint is that they're not offering any data, just making points about the scale and nature of each study. They're not building any real data of their own, just trying to tear down what seems to be a legitimate scientific inquiry. So, yes, the existing data could be so totally wrong that gay parents are destroying children, but that is neither evident in any data nor in my personal experience.
When we get down to the harm done by bigotry in the schools, the problem there is that in blaming this damage on the gay parents, we're only emboldening and legitimizing bigotry in our society.
EmptyForceOfChi 05-20-07, 03:37 PM but to be honest if everybody was gay there would be no human race, its natural to breed, and gay people cant breed, im not insulting any person or bashing anybody im bieng totaly honest.
if we all one day turned gay, how long would the human race last? the human body is evolved and designed to have sex with the opposite gender.
peace.
All good. But nature won't let the whole species go gay. The penguins haven't yet, and there are gay penguins.
EmptyForceOfChi 05-20-07, 04:05 PM i thought that by the way they walked,
peace.
Baron Max 05-20-07, 06:38 PM All good. But nature won't let the whole species go gay.
Oh, geez, are you saying that being gay is not natural and normal? I got an infraction for saying that same thing!
Baron Max
spidergoat 05-20-07, 06:55 PM The fact is many gay couples ALREADY have children. Lesbians can go to a sperm clinic, and men often have children from a previous hetero marriage. Of course they should not be prevented from enjoying the rights that hetero couples do.
As far as teasing in school, this is the result of backwards attitudes towards homosexuality which are fading fast in society.
My mom likes men, does that mean I will? No. I kiss my dad and grandfather, and brothers, does that make me gay? No. Does allowing gays the rights of straight people encourage homosexuality, as if society could engineer the number of homosexuals? No.
Homosexuals should NOT be allowed to adopt. The kids end up totally screwed up. They should not be allowed to marry either. Marriage is between a man and woman. Not two people of the same sex. That's disgusting.
Homosexuality is a choice. A bad choice.
Argyroneta 05-20-07, 08:23 PM For the benefit of the kid involved absolutely not. I really doubt there is a fair chance for a kid to grow and mature with homosexual parents.
If homosexuals want to have a pet, why don't they get a dog, a cat or whatever? For the very basic reason that children do not come from homosexual relationships. On these grounds, what right do homosexuals have for parenting?
spidergoat 05-20-07, 11:18 PM Sandy, how do you know the kids end up screwed up? Having sex is always a choice but being gay is not.
Argyroneta,
What right does anyone have to be a parent? There's no special requirements. There are plenty of heterosexual couples that should have bought a pet instead of having a child, but who are we to judge? Why are gays considered somehow less responsible?
It's proberly yust as traumatising for the kid as something like a divorce or so. Unless one of the dad's insist on being called diddy/mommy and wheres makeup and a dresses/Leather in the house.
And offcourse if the kids enters the parents bed room.
So in the end gay people are proberly yust as qualified to take care of kids as hetero sexuals so somewhere between don't now 60-80 % of them (considring all the mental stuff most of them went through in their youth)
Pandaemoni 05-21-07, 06:30 AM i think that homosexual couples who "have" or adopt childre have a severe effect on the childs mind, if a boy was to be raised by 2 guys, i think he definately would be influenced by homosexuality and might turn him gay aswell,
if 2 women raise a girl she is most likely going to have a same skewed effect. also the children are going to have a very hard time socialising at school, due to other children picking on them, and i think it could have a very negative effect on the childs mind,
because bieng homosexual goes against the natural cycle of reproduction, if all men were gay then the human race would not continue. and a child that is raised by a gay couple i think pesonaly is more likely to suffer from various types of confusion,
what do other people think about gay couples that raise kids? will the kids be confused and have an altered view? will they suffer very badly at school from bullying and pay the price?
peace.
I think you need a better reason to prohibit gay adoption than "I think it might have severe effects on a child's mind." *I* think that being born into a poor family might have severe effects on a child's mind too, or a rich family, or a family of strict catholics. Should they all be forbidden to adopt children?
Obviously you meant "severe and adverse" effects, but then, how can you prove "the child might become gay" is "adverse"? You can't, as that is a subjective matter. From a subjective standpoint, I might assert that I think being a scientologist, or a Mormon, or just plain 'believing in God without proof' is a severe and adverse effect on a child's mind. I don't think you'd agree I should therefore be able to discriminate on the basis of religion.'
The problem is only worse if you broaden it up from "adoption" to "having kids" as you seem to. What are you going to do, have forced sterilizations? Have child protective services swoop in and forcibly remove the natural children of gay parents?
It seems to me that the state should remain neutral on adoptions unless they find some condition that is more universally acknowledged to be harmful to the children than mere homosexuality.
Because despite all the liberal arguments that homosexuality is ok, it's not. Most Americans do not want homosexual marriage or any kind of special homo rights. They still think it's an abomination.
Kids have enough problems growing up. They don't need 2 Moms or 2 Dads in the same home.
It's about having loving and caring parents. You talk about priorities? It doesn't matter what sexual orientation they are, it's about who they are.
Children of heterosexual parents can grow up to be extremely screwed up and their are lots walking around right now and are from dysfunctional homes and are dysfunctional themselves. Idiot.
Baron Max 05-21-07, 07:44 AM It's about having loving and caring parents.
Agreed. And since homos can't be parents, they shouldn't be allowed to adopt children. See? Simple, ain't it?
Children of heterosexual parents can grow up to be extremely screwed up and their are lots walking around right now and are from dysfunctional homes and are dysfunctional themselves.
And that proves ....what?
Baron Max
phlogistician 05-21-07, 07:49 AM Because despite all the liberal arguments that homosexuality is ok, it's not.
Says who? You? Homosexuality is OK. If you grow up you may get enough confidence in yourself to realise this.
Most Americans do not want homosexual marriage
Just because they themselves do not want it, does not give them the right to deny it to others. The constitution states "Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.", there is no clause about robbing homosexuals of rights bestowed upon heterosexuals. If you were a good citizen, you'd have read and understood your constitution, and support true freedom.
or any kind of special homo rights.
'special', no, equal yes.
They still think it's an abomination.
Sounds a bit biblical to me. Eating shellfish and wearing clothes made from two differerent types of cloth is also an abomination in the OT.
Kids have enough problems growing up.
Yeah, some spout homophobic rants on web forums, and are confused about their own gender and identity, for instance.
They don't need 2 Moms or 2 Dads in the same home.
Waht do they need, hellfire and brimstone?
fishtail 05-21-07, 09:16 AM I have never understood homosexuality, two guys/girls going together, it was
only when i got a computer that i learned how widespread and accepted it is.
How does it work, is one always the man or do they take turns, it boggles my mind, as for two men wanting to adopt a kid why, to make them seem
more like a family?
I guess growing up in a small village has given me a limited outlook, i have
AFAIK only knowingly spoken to one gay bloke and boy was he a nine bob note, he was right in my face and took some harsh words before he left me alone.
So from what i know i would say no to gay adoption. the kid would be teased and bullied around here on top of being an orphan that would be to much.
Baron Max 05-21-07, 01:01 PM Says who? You? Homosexuality is OK. If you grow up you may get enough confidence in yourself to realise this.
Just take a moment to think about it .....sticking your dick in some other guy's asshole ...does that sound even remotely okay???
Did you know that human shit contains some of the most nasty things in the world? Bacteria and viruses, and ...all kinds of nasty things. And you think that it's okay to stick your dick into it? ...and that's okay? Do you also stick you dick into toxic waste dumps???
Just because they themselves do not want it, does not give them the right to deny it to others.
That's actually how and why most laws are enacted in the first place.
The constitution states "Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.", ....
But there's nothing in the Constitution that says anything about adoption of children for homos, does it?
Baron Max
spidergoat 05-21-07, 01:06 PM Just take a moment to think about it .....
You have no idea what any particular couple is doing in private, it's none of your business, and it's irrelevent.
Baron Max 05-21-07, 01:09 PM You have no idea what any particular couple is doing in private, it's none of your business, and it's irrelevent.
No, it's not irrelevant if they're planning to adopt children!!! And that's the name of this thread, ya' know?
With your ideals of privacy, you'd let a pedophile adopt a kid because you don't want to infringe on his privacy!! ...LOL!
Baron Max
spidergoat 05-21-07, 01:11 PM What does what a couple does legally in private have to do with raising children?
Baron Max 05-21-07, 01:15 PM What does what a couple does legally in private have to do with raising children?
So if they're closet pedophiles, you'd be willing to let them adopt children without even checking up on them?
Baron Max
Argyroneta 05-21-07, 01:17 PM What right does anyone have to be a parent? There's no special requirements. There are plenty of heterosexual couples that should have bought a pet instead of having a child, but who are we to judge? Why are gays considered somehow less responsible?
These are not special requirements...it is simply impossible for homosexuals to have their own offspring as a couple.
spidergoat 05-21-07, 01:18 PM So if they're closet pedophiles, you'd be willing to let them adopt children without even checking up on them?
Baron Max
No, that's illegal. Duh.
spidergoat 05-21-07, 01:21 PM These are not special requirements...it is simply impossible for homosexuals to have their own offspring as a couple.
Incorrect, as I have already pointed out. Many have children from a previous marriage, women can go to a sperm bank. I don't see why the same people that object so much to abortion reject an avenue whereby children can be raised by responsible and loving parents.
So if they're closet pedophiles, you'd be willing to let them adopt children without even checking up on them?
Baron Max
If they were closet pedophiles you wouldn't be able to find out anyway.
Baron Max 05-21-07, 08:21 PM If they were closet pedophiles you wouldn't be able to find out anyway.
Sure we could! We'd send in the CIA and a few waterboards ....those pedos would start crying and whining and telling everything. :D
You didn't know we did that on all potential adoption parents in the USA???? Sam, I'm surprised at your lack of knowledge about the CIA. :D
Baron Max
Baron Max 05-21-07, 08:23 PM No, that's illegal. Duh.
Sorry, Spider, but you're wrong!! Potential adoptees undergo a very indepth investigation. they agree to it when they sign the papers to adopt. Why do you think many go to places like Russia and China to adopt???
Baron Max
Sure we could! We'd send in the CIA and a few waterboards ....those pedos would start crying and whining and telling everything. :D
You didn't know we did that on all potential adoption parents in the USA???? Sam, I'm surprised at your lack of knowledge about the CIA. :D
Baron Max
You must have a very entertaining fantasy life
Baron Max 05-21-07, 08:24 PM I don't see why the same people that object so much to abortion reject an avenue whereby children can be raised by responsible and loving parents.
Perhaps that's your problem .....you don't see what others see.
Baron Max
Baron Max 05-21-07, 08:26 PM You must have a very entertaining fantasy life
Geez, Sam, and I thought YOU were the one with the entertaining fantasy life! ...like two or three CIA agents bringing down whole governments of other nations with only a couple of little handguns. ...LOL!
Baron Max
phlogistician 05-22-07, 04:26 AM Just take a moment to think about it .....sticking your dick in some other guy's asshole ...does that sound even remotely okay???
Dicks going in mouths isn't 'natural' Max, so I guess you've never had a blowjob? I guess that's why you are so uptight!
Did you know that human shit contains some of the most nasty things in the world? Bacteria and viruses, and ...all kinds of nasty things. And you think that it's okay to stick your dick into it? ...and that's okay? Do you also stick you dick into toxic waste dumps???
It's not about where I choose to put mine, but others choose to put theirs.
That's actually how and why most laws are enacted in the first place.
Only the bad ones. The good ones are enacted because you don't want something doing to you, not because consenting people want to do something with each other.
But there's nothing in the Constitution that says anything about adoption of children for homos, does it?
Baron Max
Exactly, so it is not prevented by the constitution. The rest is just paperwork.
wsionynw 05-22-07, 04:40 AM Because despite all the liberal arguments that homosexuality is ok, it's not. Most Americans do not want homosexual marriage or any kind of special homo rights. They still think it's an abomination.
Sandy, how about some evidence to back this claim up?
Why is homosexuality not 'ok'? Try to answer that without mentioning Jesus or the Bible.
What are 'special homo rights'?
:confused:
should gay couples be allowed to adopt and have kids?
Yes.
Pandaemoni 05-22-07, 05:53 AM Because despite all the liberal arguments that homosexuality is ok, it's not. Most Americans do not want homosexual marriage or any kind of special homo rights. They still think it's an abomination.
If more Americans read their Bibles, they'd also realize that the same book that says homosexuality is "abomination" (actually it's "a man lying with a man as he would with a woman"...so lesbian sex is A-Okay!!!) also says that eating shellfish is an abomination to the Lord (Leviticus 11:10-11) . So are all flying insects...not even eating flying insects, mind you, just the insects themselves...and so is practicing divination (like reading horoscopes) or sorcery. If you sacrifice to God a bull or ram that has a blemish, that is also abomination (according to Deuteronomy), so too is a woman who dresses in mens' clothes (Deut 22:5), and if you sell someone a dog, you are not allowed to bring the money they pay you into a church, because that's "abomination" too (Deut 23:18).
They threw that word around pretty lightly.
phlogistician 05-22-07, 06:01 AM If more Americans read their Bibles, they'd also realize that the same book that says homosexuality is "abomination" (actually it's "a man lying with a man as he would with a woman"...so lesbian sex is A-Okay!!!) also says that eating shellfish is an abomination to the Lord (Leviticus 11:10-11) . So are all flying insects...not even eating flying insects, mind you, just the insects themselves...and so is practicing divination (like reading horoscopes) or sorcery. If you sacrifice to God a bull or ram that has a blemish, that is also abomination (according to Deuteronomy), so too is a woman who dresses in mens' clothes (Deut 22:5), and if you sell someone a dog, you are not allowed to bring the money they pay you into a church, because that's "abomination" too (Deut 23:18).
They threw that word around pretty lightly.
Well said, it seems modern Christians have adopted abominable lifestyles, but think it OK to criticise others for their transgressions of the OT declarations.
A little odd they should cling to some OT stuff, when the JC of NT never mentioned anything about this. In fact, he said very little, which I guess, is why Christians up make so much stuff themselves!
Says who? You? Homosexuality is OK. If you grow up you may get enough confidence in yourself to realise this.
Just because they themselves do not want it, does not give them the right to deny it to others. The constitution states "Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.", there is no clause about robbing homosexuals of rights bestowed upon heterosexuals. If you were a good citizen, you'd have read and understood your constitution, and support true freedom.'special', no, equal yes.Sounds a bit biblical to me. Eating shellfish and wearing clothes made from two differerent types of cloth is also an abomination in the OT.
Yeah, some spout homophobic rants on web forums, and are confused about their own gender and identity, for instance.
Waht do they need, hellfire and brimstone?
This was almost too retarded to even respond to. I have plenty of confidence. Homo is not ok. It's freakish. Supporting freedom does not mean giving queer freaks the same rights as normal, decent Americans. I am not homophobic. I have no fear of them. Just disgust. That entire post was completely ridiculous.:rolleyes:
And there is plenty of evidence that Americans do NOT want homo marriage. We've voted it down plenty of times. The freaks on the east coast keep sneaking it through.:(
kenworth 05-22-07, 06:51 AM This was almost too retarded to even respond to. I have plenty of confidence. Homo is not ok. It's freakish. Supporting freedom does not mean giving queer freaks the same rights as normal, decent Americans. I am not homophobic. I have no fear of them. Just disgust. That entire post was completely ridiculous.:rolleyes:
And there is plenty of evidence that Americans do NOT want homo marriage. We've voted it down plenty of times. The freaks on the east coast keep sneaking it through.:(
hahaha.
i think that you would do a lot more damage to a child than any gay couple could.
Of course you do:rolleyes:
This was almost too retarded to even respond to. I have plenty of confidence. Homo is not ok. It's freakish. Supporting freedom does not mean giving queer freaks the same rights as normal, decent Americans. I am not homophobic. I have no fear of them. Just disgust. That entire post was completely ridiculous.:rolleyes:
And there is plenty of evidence that Americans do NOT want homo marriage. We've voted it down plenty of times. The freaks on the east coast keep sneaking it through.:(
Is everything you say ignorantly satirical?
kenworth 05-22-07, 06:56 AM Of course you do:rolleyes:
of course you do
phlogistician 05-22-07, 07:05 AM This was almost too retarded to even respond to. I have plenty of confidence. Homo is not ok. It's freakish. Supporting freedom does not mean giving queer freaks the same rights as normal, decent Americans. I am not homophobic. I have no fear of them. Just disgust. That entire post was completely ridiculous.:rolleyes:
And there is plenty of evidence that Americans do NOT want homo marriage. We've voted it down plenty of times. The freaks on the east coast keep sneaking it through.:(
'Sandy', you are clearly immature.
Supporting freedom means letting others do as they please even if you don't like what they do. You need to check up on your Voltaire.
Being homosexual is 'normal'. There are homosexual animals, and there are homosexual humans. It happens in nature, it is therefore 'natural' and 'normal'.
It's not 'Americans' that object to homosexual marriage, it's constitution twisting religious types. In fact, attempting to make Christian viewpoints law is un-American, you should be ashamed of yourself.
phlogistician 05-22-07, 07:06 AM Is everything you say ignorantly satirical?
I don't think 'Sandy' is clever enough to be satirical. Probably writes letters of complaint to 'Landover Baptist' etc.
Homosexuality is a choice. A bad one.
And stop the name-calling and personal attacks. They're unnecessary.:(
kenworth 05-22-07, 07:07 AM a choice?
can you consciously decide that you are going to start being attracted to mexican people?
kenworth 05-22-07, 07:11 AM so you would say that your sexual preference is pretty hardwired?
could you change who you found attractive by will power?
My sexual preference is for the opposite sex because I am normal. I haven't chosen to be a freak.
kenworth 05-22-07, 07:14 AM but within the opposite sex do you think you could change your preference?
You mean could I change my attraction to dark/graying-haired, tall, slender guys into an attraction to fat, bald, short guys? Um, no.
kenworth 05-22-07, 07:27 AM can you see how the same thing might apply to people who find members of the same sex attractive?
and that to a gay man having sex with a woman would be as unappealing as having sex with a woman is to you?
phlogistician 05-22-07, 07:55 AM Homosexuality is a choice. A bad one.
That is not true. Do dogs choose to be homosexual? Did you know that Drosophila can be made gay in the lab? No, I bet you didn't because you probably don't know what Drosophila are, and probably don't read scientific publications.
And stop the name-calling and personal attacks. They're unnecessary.:(
Oh, the penultimate bastion of the scoundrel. I have not called you a 'name', and I have not attacked you. I have merely pointed out that you are immature. You on the other hand are thowing names like 'freak'.
Maybe you are a sock puppet out for satire. I'd prefer to think so, rather then you were a small minded hate monger.
I never called you a freak. I never called you any names. I refer to homos as freaks because that's what they are.
We're not talking about dogs. We're talking about human beings. Big diff.:rolleyes:
I am not a sock puppet or hate monger. I know what is right and I obey the law. I do not do anything that God calls an abomination.
phlogistician 05-22-07, 08:49 AM I never called you a freak. I never called you any names. I refer to homos as freaks because that's what they are.
We're not talking about dogs. We're talking about human beings. Big diff.:rolleyes:
I am not a sock puppet or hate monger. I know what is right and I obey the law. I do not do anything that God calls an abomination.
Sock puppet.
Baron Max 05-22-07, 09:00 AM can you see how the same thing might apply to people who find members of the same sex attractive?
and that to a gay man having sex with a woman would be as unappealing as having sex with a woman is to you?
Don't mean that they have to act on it!
I can see how men might be attracted to 12-13 year old girls, but when they act on those attractions, it's a big, big no-no, ain't it?
Oh, I know ye're going to come back with the tired ol' line of "consenting adults", but that's not addressing the issue of attraction, is it? Nope. Nor does it address the human ability to resist his impulses and attractions.
Baron Max
phlogistician 05-22-07, 10:10 AM Oh, I know ye're going to come back with the tired ol' line of "consenting adults", but that's not addressing the issue of attraction, is it?
Consenting adults who are attracted to each other, yes, that nails the attraction part.
Nope. Nor does it address the human ability to resist his impulses and attractions.
Why should they resist if both parties are consenting? It's the Priests that molest choirboys that need to be able to resist, not consenting adults.
spidergoat 05-22-07, 11:41 AM I never called you a freak. I never called you any names. I refer to homos as freaks because that's what they are.
We're not talking about dogs. We're talking about human beings. Big diff.:rolleyes:
I am not a sock puppet or hate monger. I know what is right and I obey the law. I do not do anything that God calls an abomination.
Again, same as the illegal immigration issue, the problem for you is cultural, not practical.
Baron Max 05-22-07, 01:13 PM Consenting adults who are attracted to each other, yes, that nails the attraction part.
Why should they resist if both parties are consenting?
So, if we changed the laws so that 13-yr olds were consenting adults, you'd go along with some old fart talking her into consenting to having sex with him? I.e., it's only the law that makes it "wrong", isn't that correct? And so if your 13-yr old daughter wanted to have sex with a 40 yr old man, you'd be okay with that? You wouldn't ask her to resist her attraction at all?
Baron Max
Baron Max 05-22-07, 01:14 PM Again, same as the illegal immigration issue, the problem for you is cultural, not practical.
She's explained, several times, why it's practical and not cultural, you just haven't read it or comprehended it, that's all.
Baron Max
kenworth 05-22-07, 01:20 PM So, if we changed the laws so that 13-yr olds were consenting adults, you'd go along with some old fart talking her into consenting to having sex with him? I.e., it's only the law that makes it "wrong", isn't that correct? And so if your 13-yr old daughter wanted to have sex with a 40 yr old man, you'd be okay with that? You wouldn't ask her to resist her attraction at all?
Baron Max
the law does not define right or wrong.
"I can see how men might be attracted to 12-13 year old girls, but when they act on those attractions, it's a big, big no-no, ain't it?
Oh, I know ye're going to come back with the tired ol' line of "consenting adults", but that's not addressing the issue of attraction, is it? Nope. Nor does it address the human ability to resist his impulses and attractions.
"
this has absolutely nothing to do with homosexuality.its just another one of your tenuous (tenous) connections,which make me almost physically sick.
Baron Max 05-22-07, 01:36 PM the law does not define right or wrong.
Yes, it does! It defines how a society thinks and feels about "right n' wrong". Our society feels that homosexual marriage and adoption is wrong, thus, in our society, it's defined as wrong!
Baron Max
Laws define "legal" and "illegal" not right or wrong.
darksidZz 05-22-07, 03:18 PM Let me share a story with you.
I was watching MSNBC one time, there was a piece on a guy who'd adopted a young girl. You see she needed a father, and while this gentlemen was all nicey-nice and stuff, they just kinda let him take her.. they never followed up really like they should've, and he basically raped her the first night she was there. He said "let me come into your bed for a minute" and things...
That makes it clear homos are probably better to care for kids than straight guys! Hell the fella raped her for years an years until she told her bf and by then she was 17 and he'd gotten the best outta her, he went to jail but she certainly won't be forgetting that.
Let the homos adopt'm!
EmptyForceOfChi 05-22-07, 06:06 PM Let me share a story with you.
I was watching MSNBC one time, there was a piece on a guy who'd adopted a young girl. You see she needed a father, and while this gentlemen was all nicey-nice and stuff, they just kinda let him take her.. they never followed up really like they should've, and he basically raped her the first night she was there. He said "let me come into your bed for a minute" and things...
That makes it clear homos are probably better to care for kids than straight guys! Hell the fella raped her for years an years until she told her bf and by then she was 17 and he'd gotten the best outta her, he went to jail but she certainly won't be forgetting that.
Let the homos adopt'm!
that was stupid.
peace.
Baron Max 05-22-07, 07:34 PM Laws define "legal" and "illegal" not right or wrong.
But within that same society, those terms are basically the same. To think otherwise is to be entirely ego-centric ...i.e., not giving a shit about ones own society.
Baron Max
Pandaemoni 05-22-07, 07:39 PM This was almost too retarded to even respond to. I have plenty of confidence. Homo is not ok. It's freakish. Supporting freedom does not mean giving queer freaks the same rights as normal, decent Americans. I am not homophobic. I have no fear of them. Just disgust.
"Homophobia" does not mean "fear of homosexuals" end of sentence. It means (http://www.answers.com/topic/homophobia) "Fear of or contempt for homosexuals." Based on your posts so far, I think you are homophobic in that you clearly feel contempt for homosexuals.
Not all phobias are "fears," especially outside the clinical context. "Xenophobia," for example, is the state of being fear or contemptuous of foreigners or foreign things. "Hydrophobia" is an alternate name for rabies.
Baron Max 05-22-07, 07:58 PM "Homophobia" does not mean "fear of homosexuals" end of sentence. It means "Fear of or contempt for homosexuals." Based on your posts so far, I think you are homophobic in that you clearly feel contempt for homosexuals.
I think you're wrong about Sandy. And one thing that you seem to be missing is that she, like many people, don't hate the person, but the acts that that person does by choice, voluntarily.
Just a guy walking down the street is nothing to hate or fear or anything else ....but when he publically acknowledges his desires for homosexuality, he becomes something to be disgusted with, perhaps to hate.
See? You're trying to make the connection to the person's desires, his feelings, and the acts that he willingly does with another man. As you might guess, there are many persons in the world who "might" be murderers, but until they actually murder someone, we don't konw it, so we might even like the guy! Big difference between feelings, desires, and giving in to those feelings and desires.
I don't think Sandy hates the person, I think she, like most people, hate the acts of homosexuals. And that, the acts, are their choice ...which they willingly make!
Baron Max
You're exactly right Baron and you are one of the few here who really get it. I don't hate the person. I think what they've chosen is despicable but I don't hate them.
Liberals don't seem to understand this. They want to keep attacking CCR's and calling them bigots, racists, homophobes, etc...:mad:
Thanks for clarifying, Baron. You are a true gentleman.:)
I don't think Sandy hates the person, I think she, like most people, hate the acts of homosexuals. And that, the acts, are their choice ...which they willingly make!
Baron Max
So you think her referring to them as "perverted freaks" is not hateful?Link (http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=1405584&postcount=72)
You're exactly right Baron and you are one of the few here who really get it. I don't hate the person. I think what they've chosen is despicable but I don't hate them.
Liberals don't seem to understand this. They want to keep attacking CCR's and calling them bigots, racists, homophobes, etc...
Thanks for clarifying, Baron. You are a true gentleman.
Don't thank him too much. He also thinks that women should never have been given the right to vote. Ergo, he also considers you to be a second class citizen.
Maybe most women shouldn't vote. The ones who voted for Clinton because he was attractive/had nice hair made me sick. The ones who voted for Kerry/Edwards because they thought Edwards was cute make me sick. The ones who vote for someone for ANY other reason than they are the best for the job, shouldn't be able to vote. Ann Coulter said something about women not voting. This is part of what she meant. I have to agree.
Maybe most women shouldn't vote.
Don't take your freedoms too lightly; once lost, they may be very hard to regain.
Maybe most women shouldn't vote. The ones who voted for Clinton because he was attractive/had nice hair made me sick. The ones who voted for Kerry/Edwards because they thought Edwards was cute make me sick. The ones who vote for someone for ANY other reason than they are the best for the job, shouldn't be able to vote. Ann Coulter said something about women not voting. This is what she meant. I have to agree.
Interesting.
You would deny your fellow women the right to vote because they vote for the democrats based on their looks? But you vote for Bush because you he believes in god? I won't even bother to point out the hysterical irony of your argument.
I guess you're one of those who also believes in denying people of certain areas and races the right to vote because they are likely to vote the other way.
But surely you aren't saying that society should go against the new testament and the law to deny women the right to vote? After all, as Sam said, once it is taken from you, you may not find it that easy to get it back.
No. I vote for Bush because I know him. I know he is Christian, honest, decent, wise, of good character/integrity, incorruptable, funny, generous, and one of the most amazing men I have ever met. I also met other politicians including Kerry who gave me the creeps and Edwards who is nice as Bambi.
EmptyForceOfChi 05-22-07, 08:58 PM No. I vote for Bush because I know him. I know he is Christian, honest, decent, wise, of good character/integrity, incorruptable, funny, generous, and one of the most amazing men I have ever met. .
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA no freakin way was that just said. honest? decent? WISE? good character? incorruptable? amazing?
he is a christian and he is funny though.
:roflmao:
peace.
Do you know him? Have you met him? No? I didn't think so.:rolleyes:
EmptyForceOfChi 05-22-07, 09:11 PM "The only way we can win is to leave before the job is done." --George W. Bush, Greeley, Colo., Nov. 4, 2006
"You know, when I campaigned here in 2000, I said, I want to be a war President. No President wants to be a war President, but I am one." --George W. Bush, Des Moines, Iowa, Oct. 26, 2006
"You know, one of the hardest parts of my job is to connect Iraq to the war on terror." --George W. Bush, interview with CBS News' Katie Couric, Sept. 6, 2006
"I would say the best moment of all was when I caught a 7.5 pound largemouth bass in my lake." --George W. Bush, on his best moment in office, interview with the German newspaper Bild am Sonntag, May 7, 2006
"You never know what your history is going to be like until long after you're gone." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., May 5, 2006
George W. Bush The thing that's wrong with the French is that they don't have a word for entrepreneur
hes a regular lao tzu sandy, a wise man indeed.
peace.
EmptyForceOfChi 05-22-07, 09:12 PM Do you know him? Have you met him? No? I didn't think so.:rolleyes:
do i need to meet the guy to see hes a complete moron?
peace.
So he has some misspeaks. No one said he was a rocket scientist. At least he didn't call our troops stupid like sKerry did.:mad: Or say "I did not have relations with that woman" like Clinton did. But Clinton did admit "Character doesn't matter." :rolleyes:
EmptyForceOfChi 05-22-07, 09:42 PM So he has some misspeaks. No one said he was a rocket scientist. At least he didn't call our troops stupid like sKerry did.:mad: Or say "I did not have relations with that woman" like Clinton did. But Clinton did admit "Character doesn't matter." :rolleyes:
misspeaks? he is a walking pile of stupidity. the man has the IQ of a peanut. i dont know how anybody can support him.
the only people that do support him are christians and they only support him because they are christian, and thats bias and dumb.
peace.
Go read some Clinton quotes. They're just as bad. People misspeak--especially when they're exhausted. Get over it. Bush is still the best president we have ever had.:)
EmptyForceOfChi 05-22-07, 09:52 PM Go read some Clinton quotes. They're just as bad. People misspeak--especially when they're exhausted. Get over it. Bush is still the best president we have ever had.:)
better than abraham lincoln? oh yeah you most likely hate lincoln because he let the slaves free.
when did i say clinton was good?
what about franklin roosevelt, washington and jefferson?
bush is better than all of those?
peace.
Bush is the best. The all-time best. History will be kind to him. People will finally realize he loves this country so much he sacrifices himself to protect her.
EmptyForceOfChi 05-22-07, 09:57 PM Bush is the best. The all-time best. History will be kind to him. People will finally realize he loves this country so much he sacrifices himself to protect her.
why is bush better than the above leaders i just stated?
peace.
Cortex_Colossus 05-22-07, 10:14 PM Your homosexuality threatens me enough to convert me.
Cortex_Colossus 05-22-07, 10:15 PM Bush is the best. The all-time best. History will be kind to him. People will finally realize he loves this country so much he sacrifices himself to protect her.
No Bush is not the best so shut the fuck up.
No Bush is not the best so shut the fuck up.
I'm afraid that your prayer will go unanswered, old sport.
Carry on.
spidergoat 05-22-07, 10:51 PM Bush is the best. The all-time best. History will be kind to him. People will finally realize he loves this country so much he sacrifices himself to protect her.
Like Jesus.
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pjdude1219 05-23-07, 12:04 AM yes they should
kenworth 05-23-07, 12:43 AM But within that same society, those terms are basically the same. To think otherwise is to be entirely ego-centric ...i.e., not giving a shit about ones own society.
Baron Max
they are DEFINATELY not the same. with homosexuality you are talking about morally right or wrong,laws are there to protect what is best for society.
i would say travelling at 60 mph couldnt be considered morally wrong,but in some parts of the country it is against the law,in others it isnt...
kenworth 05-23-07, 12:48 AM a choice?
can you consciously decide that you are going to start being attracted to mexican people?
When hell freezes over.
so you would say that your sexual preference is pretty hardwired?
could you change who you found attractive by will power?
My sexual preference is for the opposite sex because I am normal. I haven't chosen to be a freak.
but within the opposite sex do you think you could change your preference?
You mean could I change my attraction to dark/graying-haired, tall, slender guys into an attraction to fat, bald, short guys? Um, no.
can you see how the same thing might apply to people who find members of the same sex attractive?
and that to a gay man having sex with a woman would be as unappealing as having sex with a woman is to you?
You're exactly right Baron and you are one of the few here who really get it. I don't hate the person. I think what they've chosen is despicable but I don't hate them.
)
can you please address my line of reasoning?
Ophiolite 05-23-07, 04:27 AM Bush is the best. The all-time best. History will be kind to him. People will finally realize he loves this country so much he sacrifices himself to protect her.Meanwhile the rest of the world can go to hell in a hand basket. Thank you for your interest.
phlogistician 05-23-07, 04:37 AM So, if we changed the laws so that 13-yr olds were consenting adults, you'd go along with some old fart talking her into consenting to having sex with him?
Max, you just got totally pwned by Kenworth.
phlogistician 05-23-07, 04:38 AM can you please address my line of reasoning?
Dude, you can't reason with the unreasonable! "She" will obfuscate, change tack, spout rhetoric, but "she" won't debate.
Bush's IQ is higher than you think. He had a better GPA than your elitist sKerry. Intellectualism doesn't make anyone a better president. 'Too smart' or the impression of too smart makes them unable to connect with the common folk.
Bush has had to deal with the deepest wound this country has ever suffered--muslims attacking us 911. He handled it perfectly.
He is an awesome man and better president. History will mirror that.:)
Bush has had to deal with the deepest wound this country has ever suffered--muslims attacking us 911.
Planes crashing in 3 different cities is worse than the entire country splitting in half and going to war with itself?
Nikelodeon 05-23-07, 07:41 AM Bush's IQ is higher than you think. He had a better GPA than your elitist sKerry. Intellectualism doesn't make anyone a better president. 'Too smart' or the impression of too smart makes them unable to connect with the common folk.
Bush has had to deal with the deepest wound this country has ever suffered--muslims attacking us 911. He handled it perfectly.
He is an awesome man and better president. History will mirror that.:)
And what has this got to do with gay couples adopting kids? Are Bush and Cheney thinking of adopting?
Evil muslim terrorists hijacking OUR planes and crashing them into OUR skyscrapers killing thousands and injuring more was horrendous. We still haven't recovered. That wound is still gaping. :mad:
We're not at war with ourself. We just have stupid liberals who don't get the whole war on terror. They think it should be a law enforcement issue.:mad:
Nikelodeon 05-23-07, 07:46 AM Evil muslim terrorists hijacking OUR planes and crashing them into OUR skyscrapers killing thousands and injuring more was horrendous. We still haven't recovered. That wound is still gaping. :mad:
We're not at war with ourself. We just have stupid liberals who don't get the whole war on terror. They think it should be a law enforcement issue.:mad:
And what the fuck has this got to do with gay couples adopting kids??
Ophiolite 05-23-07, 07:48 AM Bush has had to deal with the deepest wound this country has ever suffered--muslims attacking us 911. One point of information. You were attacked by international terrorists who claim to be muslims, yet whose actions fly in the face of the principles of Islam.
Now as to 911 being the deepest wound, that seems to be something of a slap in the face for the 50,000 young Americans who died in Vietnam; the dead at Pearl Harbour (a day that clearly hasn't lived in infamy for you); or patriots who died in violent revolution against British rule.
Oh for God's sake, get real. These were devout muslims who were praising allah until they crashed and burned. Get a freakin clue.:mad:
phlogistician 05-23-07, 08:03 AM Bush has had to deal with the deepest wound this country has ever suffered--muslims attacking us 911. He handled it perfectly.
Yeah, reading 'My Little Goat' and making war with two countries that weren't Saudi Arabia, where all but two of the hijackers came from.
Also, he ceased the strikes against Taliban camps in Afghanistan allowing them to regroup.
Evil muslim terrorists hijacking OUR planes and crashing them into OUR skyscrapers killing thousands and injuring more was horrendous. We still haven't recovered. That wound is still gaping. :mad: Who hasn't recovered? I was fine later on the day it happened(btw, we bombed two COUNTRIES, I think that should be revenge enough).
We're not at war with ourself. We just have stupid liberals who don't get the whole war on terror. They think it should be a law enforcement issue.:mad:
Well...first of all, terrorism IS a law enforcement issue. At least in the only form it can do any major damage in America it is. Also...nevermind.
kenworth 05-23-07, 08:21 AM Originally Posted by kenworth
a choice?
can you consciously decide that you are going to start being attracted to mexican people?
Originally Posted by sandy
When hell freezes over.
Originally Posted by kenworth
so you would say that your sexual preference is pretty hardwired?
could you change who you found attractive by will power?
Originally Posted by sandy
My sexual preference is for the opposite sex because I am normal. I haven't chosen to be a freak.
Originally Posted by kenworth
but within the opposite sex do you think you could change your preference?
Originally Posted by sandy
You mean could I change my attraction to dark/graying-haired, tall, slender guys into an attraction to fat, bald, short guys? Um, no.
Originally Posted by kenworth
can you see how the same thing might apply to people who find members of the same sex attractive?
and that to a gay man having sex with a woman would be as unappealing as having sex with a woman is to you?
Originally Posted by sandy
You're exactly right Baron and you are one of the few here who really get it. I don't hate the person. I think what they've chosen is despicable but I don't hate them.
)
can you please address my line of reasoning?
phlogistician 05-23-07, 08:38 AM Oh for God's sake, get real. These were devout muslims who were praising allah until they crashed and burned. Get a freakin clue.:mad:
Yeah, and Fred Phelps is a perfect example of Christian love. You're just like Phelps, aren't you, 'Sandy'?
Ophiolite 05-23-07, 08:40 AM Oh for God's sake, get real. These were devout muslims who were praising allah until they crashed and burned. Get a freakin clue.:mad:I see. So if I claim to be a Christian, go out and murder twenty three people, then those murders have been carried out by a Christian? An interesting concept, but one that is logically flawed.
Please feel free to hate anyone you wish. Feel free to stereotype religions, classes, ethnicities. Go for it. But please don't try to pretend that is anything but deep prejudice powered by gross ignorance.
I notice you had absolutely no response to my remarks on the depth of the wound.
You EXPECT death in war. You don't expect it while minding your own business at work. How you could defend these scum is beyond my comprehension.:mad:
Fred Phelps is a freakshow. No one claims him. Not even the satanists.:rolleyes:
I see. So if I claim to be a Christian, go out and murder twenty three people, then those murders have been carried out by a Christian?
You EXPECT death in war.
So if 23 self-proclaimed christians attacked Tehran it would be legitimate for Iran to start a war on the US?
Or would Bush and co disown them and ask for a law-enforcement investigation and response?
Ophiolite 05-23-07, 08:54 AM You EXPECT death in war. You don't expect it while minding your own business at work. How you could defend these scum is beyond my comprehension.:mad: could you take the time to identify where I have defended the 911 terrorists? I have, in fact, done quite the reverse. I have condemned these terrorists for wrapping themselves, unjustly, in the cloak of Islam.
Expect death in war? I guess Gaddafi's daughter wasn't expecting the bomb that US warplanes dropped on her in the 1980s. Perhaps you feel America was at war with Libya at the time. I don't recall any declaration to that effect. Feel free to enlighten me.
I likely won't be able to respond to any reply you may make in the next day or two. That doesn't mean that you have driven me off. (Fat chance.:p )
phlogistician 05-23-07, 09:46 AM You EXPECT death in war.
You don't however expect to get invaded against the will of the UN, when the country responsible for providing all but two of the hijackers does not even get trade sanctions.
wsionynw 05-23-07, 12:37 PM Fred Phelps is a freakshow. No one claims him. Not even the satanists.:rolleyes:
He shares your views about homosexuals, and he also claims to be a Christian, like yourself.
Anyways, moving back to the subject. I thikn gay people have as much right to adopt as straight people. Why? Because there is NO evidence to suggest that children raised by a gay couples suffer any more than children raised by a straight couples.
Baron Max 05-23-07, 12:53 PM Anyways, moving back to the subject. I thikn gay people have as much right to adopt as straight people. Why? Because there is NO evidence to suggest that children raised by a gay couples suffer any more than children raised by a straight couples.
Do you also think incestuous couples, say father and daughter, should be allowed to adopt ....for the same reason that you've stated?
Baron Max
spidergoat 05-23-07, 01:39 PM Intellectualism doesn't make anyone a better president.
Jesus H. Christ, that is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard.
Oh, geez, are you saying that being gay is not natural and normal? I got an infraction for saying that same thing!
Uh, Baron? How does the one lead to, well, your point?
Question: Are you doing this because you think it's somehow funny, or was that intended as a legitimate point?
kenworth 05-23-07, 04:02 PM You EXPECT death in war. You don't expect it while minding your own business at work. How you could defend these scum is beyond my comprehension.:mad:
Fred Phelps is a freakshow. No one claims him. Not even the satanists.:rolleyes:
oi, answer my question.
EmptyForceOfChi 05-23-07, 04:23 PM Evil muslim terrorists hijacking OUR planes and crashing them into OUR skyscrapers killing thousands and injuring more was horrendous. We still haven't recovered. That wound is still gaping. :mad:
We're not at war with ourself. We just have stupid liberals who don't get the whole war on terror. They think it should be a law enforcement issue.:mad:
still havent recovered? and i suppose iraq is going to recover just dandy is it?
bush is a war mongering tyrant, he has spilled more innocent blood than any terrorist attacking the usa in its entire history has.
sandy do you lack the listening skill? it seems you just spout a constant pile of bushism while not reading anybody elses posts,
its supposed to be a debate you know, your supposed to counter peoples arguments with your own arguments, your not supposed to just dissregard and push aside everything that is fired at you, and respond with the same broken recod shit.
peace.
Nikelodeon 05-23-07, 05:04 PM sandy do you lack the listening skill? it seems you just spout a constant pile of bushism while not reading anybody elses posts,.
Sandy is not interested in debate. She wants to poop and then leave, and leave everyone else to observe the pile of stink.
EmptyForceOfChi 05-23-07, 05:35 PM well her bush talk sure does stink i will give you that 1.
peace.
Baron Max 05-23-07, 08:29 PM Sandy is not interested in debate.
None of the rest of y'all are, either! All of you have made up your minds about the issue umpty-eleven years ago and y'all know it. Don't be denigrating Sandy for what you, yourselves, are doing. That's being hippo-critical.
Baron Max
EmptyForceOfChi 05-23-07, 08:41 PM None of the rest of y'all are, either! All of you have made up your minds about the issue umpty-eleven years ago and y'all know it. Don't be denigrating Sandy for what you, yourselves, are doing. That's being hippo-critical.
Baron Max
baron you know thats not true. if evidence exists for my argument i present it when it is due, like if i say bush is a moron, i give factual evidence supporting howmuch of a dick he really is.
sandy is a monotone broken record, and you only support her because she agrees with you, right wingers, i can list her whole vocab and mental state in a few words.
bible,god,jesus.bush.immigrants,war,sodomy,gays, and thats about all you get out of her.
your actualy open minded compared to her baron, doesent that tell you soemthing?
peace.
phlogistician 05-24-07, 04:33 AM That's being hippo-critical.
Baron Max
Says the guy that understands the attraction for 13 year old girls.
Kenworth pwns you Max!
kenworth 05-24-07, 07:33 AM Sandy.....i Am Still Waiting For A Response
EmptyForceOfChi 05-24-07, 07:43 AM Sandy.....i Am Still Waiting For A Response
dont hold your breath.
peace.
Baron Max 05-24-07, 12:58 PM Gay and/or lezzie couples should NOT be permitted to adopt kids.
Let me ask y'all ...should rich, single, old farts like me be allowed to adopt a little girl? Should two hetero males be permitted to adopt a little girl?
Baron Max
Pandaemoni 05-24-07, 01:52 PM Let me ask y'all ...should rich, single, old farts like me be allowed to adopt a little girl?
A: If the rich, single old fart would make a good parent and wants to be a parent, then yes.
Should two hetero males be permitted to adopt a little girl?
A: Here there is a little issue with the fact that legal "families" tend not to take the form of to unrelated heterosexual males. Assuming the law set up a system whereby two heterosexual males could fairly allocate custody of the child, the two would make good parents, then yes. I don't see that the sex of the child being adopted matters.
Why is that you think life in foster care, going from family to family on a temporary basis, is better than living with a single rich old fart or a pair of heterosexual men, all of whom want to be parents and are able to provide a stable and happy home?
Ophiolite 05-28-07, 02:43 AM If you are really very rich Baron I stand ready to be adopted by you. (I presume you will make me your heir.) Thank you in advance.
fishtail 05-28-07, 08:30 AM Why do these people even call themselves GAY, gay still means happy to me.
Is it just a psychological trick to gain acceptance in the community?
Maybe we are cruel around here, but we still call homosexuals bum bandits,
and eye them with suspicion.
I can only think that them getting married is another psychological trick to
garner their acceptance in the community.
Ophiolite 05-28-07, 09:39 AM Is it just a psychological trick to gain acceptance in the community?
I can only think that them getting married is another psychological trick to
garner their acceptance in the community.Which psychological tricks do you use to gain acceptance in your community? Wait a moment. You already told us:-
" we still call homosexuals bum bandits, and eye them with suspicion."
lucifers angel 05-28-07, 09:50 AM what worries me about homosexuals adopting is, if they fight for they right to adopt will the children just become another fashion item for them? in other words would they just want a child becasue they can?
Does that happen for non-homosexuals? What's the law say about that?
lucifers angel 05-28-07, 09:56 AM Does that happen for non-homosexuals? What's the law say about that?
no because non homosexuals do not have to fight to adopt, they are legally allowed to adopt, homosexuals at this moment are not.
You missed the point:
do non-homosexuals ever have children as a fashion accessory? Do "straight" people ever have a child just because they can?
fishtail 05-28-07, 10:09 AM Which psychological tricks do you use to gain acceptance in your community? Wait a moment. You already told us:-
" we still call homosexuals bum bandits, and eye them with suspicion."
All i am saying is call a spade a spade, and that some people are not comfortable with the corruption of nice word to mean some thing it certainly is not, and do not say these people are nice as pie.
All i am saying is call a spade a spade, and that some people are not comfortable with the corruption of nice word to mean some thing it certainly is not
Languages change - it's a feature of constant usage.
and do not say these people are nice as pie.
They are, in general. As are most people. They are people.
Ophiolite 05-28-07, 10:44 AM All i am saying is call a spade a spade.All right. If you insist. You are a myopic, self-centred, narrow-minded bigot.
lucifers angel 05-28-07, 10:44 AM Languages change - it's a feature of constant usage.
They are, in general. As are most people. They are people.
not the gay guy i worked for, he was a bitch, he was really rude,
lucifers angel 05-28-07, 11:45 AM So? Individuals vary.
homosexuality goes against pro creation
homosexuality goes against pro creation
So does celibacy. Do you have the same objections to Catholic priests as you do to gays?
Baron Max 05-28-07, 12:39 PM Homos should not be permitted to adopt children. I don't see it as any different to allowing two, single hetero males to adopt a child. We don't allow that the law is applied equally to heteros and homos. That should make all you homos happy ...ya' got equal rights. Oops, but wait, you want MORE than equal rights, don't ya'!
Baron Max
lucifers angel 05-28-07, 01:57 PM So does celibacy. Do you have the same objections to Catholic priests as you do to gays?
the differance being that catholic priests do not want to adopt children.
wsionynw 05-28-07, 02:12 PM Homos should not be permitted to adopt children. I don't see it as any different to allowing two, single hetero males to adopt a child. We don't allow that the law is applied equally to heteros and homos. That should make all you homos happy ...ya' got equal rights. Oops, but wait, you want MORE than equal rights, don't ya'!
Baron Max
Baron, I'm getting the impression that you are a homophobe. Say it aint so!!
pjdude1219 05-28-07, 02:45 PM Homosexuals should NOT be allowed to adopt. The kids end up totally screwed up. They should not be allowed to marry either. Marriage is between a man and woman. Not two people of the same sex. That's disgusting.
Homosexuality is a choice. A bad choice.
that's funny cause i've never met any one who would chose to have the abuse heaped on them by intolerant people like you. its not a choice that its a choice has been disproven by science and commonsense
pjdude1219 05-28-07, 02:46 PM Because despite all the liberal arguments that homosexuality is ok, it's not. Most Americans do not want homosexual marriage or any kind of special homo rights. They still think it's an abomination.
Kids have enough problems growing up. They don't need 2 Moms or 2 Dads in the same home.
acually most americans are for everyone having the same rights and there not special rights there same rights everyone is supposed to have
pjdude1219 05-28-07, 02:49 PM This was almost too retarded to even respond to. I have plenty of confidence. Homo is not ok. It's freakish. Supporting freedom does not mean giving queer freaks the same rights as normal, decent Americans. I am not homophobic. I have no fear of them. Just disgust. That entire post was completely ridiculous.:rolleyes:
And there is plenty of evidence that Americans do NOT want homo marriage. We've voted it down plenty of times. The freaks on the east coast keep sneaking it through.:(
your a bigot this is not my opinion its just the truth i suggest you go for theropy
pjdude1219 05-28-07, 02:51 PM Homosexuality is a choice. A bad one.
And stop the name-calling and personal attacks. They're unnecessary.:(
if there unnecessary why do you keep on doing these things?
pjdude1219 05-28-07, 02:52 PM I never called you a freak. I never called you any names. I refer to homos as freaks because that's what they are.
We're not talking about dogs. We're talking about human beings. Big diff.:rolleyes:
I am not a sock puppet or hate monger. I know what is right and I obey the law. I do not do anything that God calls an abomination.
i call bulls**t you are a hate-monger
pjdude1219 05-28-07, 02:54 PM I think you're wrong about Sandy. And one thing that you seem to be missing is that she, like many people, don't hate the person, but the acts that that person does by choice, voluntarily.
Just a guy walking down the street is nothing to hate or fear or anything else ....but when he publically acknowledges his desires for homosexuality, he becomes something to be disgusted with, perhaps to hate.
See? You're trying to make the connection to the person's desires, his feelings, and the acts that he willingly does with another man. As you might guess, there are many persons in the world who "might" be murderers, but until they actually murder someone, we don't konw it, so we might even like the guy! Big difference between feelings, desires, and giving in to those feelings and desires.
I don't think Sandy hates the person, I think she, like most people, hate the acts of homosexuals. And that, the acts, are their choice ...which they willingly make!
Baron Max
homosexuality is not a choice
pjdude1219 05-28-07, 02:55 PM No. I vote for Bush because I know him. I know he is Christian, honest, decent, wise, of good character/integrity, incorruptable, funny, generous, and one of the most amazing men I have ever met. I also met other politicians including Kerry who gave me the creeps and Edwards who is nice as Bambi.
can i have some of what your smoking cause you clearly have the good stuff
pjdude1219 05-28-07, 02:57 PM So he has some misspeaks. No one said he was a rocket scientist. At least he didn't call our troops stupid like sKerry did.:mad: Or say "I did not have relations with that woman" like Clinton did. But Clinton did admit "Character doesn't matter." :rolleyes:
kerry never called the troops stupid
pjdude1219 05-28-07, 02:58 PM Bush's IQ is higher than you think. He had a better GPA than your elitist sKerry. Intellectualism doesn't make anyone a better president. 'Too smart' or the impression of too smart makes them unable to connect with the common folk.
Bush has had to deal with the deepest wound this country has ever suffered--muslims attacking us 911. He handled it perfectly.
He is an awesome man and better president. History will mirror that.:)
hiding in the deepest hole he could find is handling perfectly good you have some low standerds for the man
So you have to create 8(!!) posts to respond to my comments:confused: :rolleyes:
“Education” Kerry said “– if you make the most of it and you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don’t, you get stuck in Iraq.”
Wartime U.S. military enlistees are better educated, wealthier, and more rural on average than their civilian peers.
http://www.heritage.org/Research/NationalSecurity/cda06-09.cfm
fishtail 05-28-07, 04:10 PM All right. If you insist. You are a myopic, self-centred, narrow-minded bigot.
No, i could tollerate them if they shut up and stoped shouting for more rights,
heck they will want their own country next.
pjdude1219 05-28-07, 06:16 PM So you have to create 8(!!) posts to respond to my comments:confused: :rolleyes:
“Education” Kerry said “– if you make the most of it and you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don’t, you get stuck in Iraq.”
Wartime U.S. military enlistees are better educated, wealthier, and more rural on average than their civilian peers.
http://www.heritage.org/Research/NationalSecurity/cda06-09.cfm
well yeah it took that many i don't like bigots and intolrence i feisty when i see it the heritage foundation is biased toward conservatives. you relieaze 40% of the lowest ranks of the milatary live below the powevery line right. its power and more urban people who are in iraq why cause there are alot of guardsmen their who have alot of people in there to get money to pay for college
Baron Max 05-28-07, 07:17 PM homosexuality is not a choice
Perhaps not, but acting on those desires is a choice.
Many people say that murderers and child molesters are born that way, too, but we don't like them acting on those desires/impulses either.
I, myself, for example, would love nothing better than to blow my neighbors brains out, but ya' know, I control those urges, as difficult as it might be.
Baron Max
Baron Max 05-28-07, 07:18 PM No, i could tollerate them if they shut up and stoped shouting for more rights, heck they will want their own country next.
Yeah, and want us to pay for it, too!!
Baron Max
Perhaps not, but acting on those desires is a choice....
I, myself, for example, would love nothing better than to blow my neighbors brains out, but ya' know, I control those urges, as difficult as it might be.
Baron Max
:D LOL!:D
Ophiolite 05-29-07, 02:51 AM No, i could tollerate them if they shut up and stoped shouting for more rights,
heck they will want their own country next.That is a reasoned and measured reply. It merits the same in response.
They merely ask that they be accorded the same rights as everyone else, including right wing bigots, evolutionists, creationists, Republicans, university professors, road sweepers, and actors.
If you are not accorded the same rights, is it not just to shout for them?
Shouting got women the vote. Do you think that was a bad idea?
Exploradora 05-29-07, 03:54 AM the differance being that catholic priests do not want to adopt children.
They do adopt children.
Baron Max 05-29-07, 09:28 AM They merely ask that they be accorded the same rights as everyone else, ...
No, gays want SPECIAL rights! As the laws now exist, it's extremely difficult if not impossible, for a young male to adopt kids. It's almost unheard of for two young hetero males living together to adopt kids. Gay males have exactly the same rights as hetero males ......but, see, gays want SPECIAL rights above and beyond that of normal males. Why can't you see that?
Baron Max
Baron Max 05-29-07, 09:29 AM They do adopt children.
Priest can adopt children???? I don't think so ...and certainly not in the USA. Would you show me some examples or the law which states that?
Baron Max
wsionynw 05-29-07, 12:27 PM No, gays want SPECIAL rights! As the laws now exist, it's extremely difficult if not impossible, for a young male to adopt kids. It's almost unheard of for two young hetero males living together to adopt kids. Gay males have exactly the same rights as hetero males ......but, see, gays want SPECIAL rights above and beyond that of normal males. Why can't you see that?
Baron Max
Then by your logic a male and female couple have SPECIAL rights over everybody else. Correct?
Baron Max 05-29-07, 01:59 PM Then by your logic a male and female couple have SPECIAL rights over everybody else. Correct?
No, they have the rights to marry if they're of the legal age. They've earned the right by being old enough, and be being paired as male and female. Males can't marry sheep or goats; females can't marry donkeys. See? There are certain requirements for all most any of our "rights". It's just like the rights to use public restrooms ...men use the men's room, women use the women's room. Surely you don't call that special rights, do you?
Baron Max
wsionynw 05-29-07, 02:39 PM They've earned the right by being old enough, and be being paired as male and female.
Baron Max
Male and female, that is the only pairing allowed to adopt children according to Baron Max. Special rights indeed.
Why bring non human animals into this debate?
Medicine*Woman 05-29-07, 02:51 PM *************
M*W: I've never heard of a gay couple with adopted kids not be excellent parents. I know several.
Babies are often born to couples who don't know a rat's ass about taking care of their children. That's legal.
A gay couple is more prepared for parenthood, because they've put a lot of thought into it. Those kids are truly lucky to get those parents. They are richly desired. Even the best natural parents mean well but oftentimes don't have the time to give their children due to work commitments or older children. I'm all for gay parents. What's so wrong with two Mommys or two Daddys? It's the love and nurturing that counts.
Pandaemoni 05-29-07, 03:25 PM No, they have the rights to marry if they're of the legal age. They've earned the right by being old enough, and be being paired as male and female. Males can't marry sheep or goats; females can't marry donkeys. See? There are certain requirements for all most any of our "rights". It's just like the rights to use public restrooms ...men use the men's room, women use the women's room. Surely you don't call that special rights, do you?
Baron Max
Yes...and once upon a time "colored people" used the "colored restrooms". I'm sure you don't support that system even though it could also be justified under the "there are certain requirements for most any of our rights" line of argument.
There used to be laws that prohibited black people from marrying (each other), as well as laws prohibiting interracial marriages. Those were in the category of "certain requirements needed to exercise a right" once upon a time. America realized those requirements were hateful and unfair, and those laws were abolished. How is using sexual orientation and gender substantively any different from using race as a "requirement" in this context?
Exploradora 05-29-07, 04:39 PM Priest can adopt children???? I don't think so ...and certainly not in the USA. Would you show me some examples or the law which states that?
Baron Max
Gawd- why wouldn't priests be allowed to adopt children? Anne Coulter wrote a very bigoted essay titled "SHOULD GAY PRIESTS ADOPT?" It's really less about priests adopting and more about her ridiculous belief system. But if you must have examples... The Rev. George Clements does more than preach. He puts his words into action.In 1981, Clements became the first Catholic priest to adopt a child. He later adopted three more boys and founded One Church-One Child, a program dedicated to finding adoptive parents for homeless black and biracial children.
http://www.cathworld.org/search/pages/Catholic_Clergy_and_Religious/Priest/more3.shtml
fishtail 05-29-07, 04:47 PM That is a reasoned and measured reply. It merits the same in response.
They merely ask that they be accorded the same rights as everyone else, including right wing bigots, evolutionists, creationists, Republicans, university professors, road sweepers, and actors.
If you are not accorded the same rights, is it not just to shout for them?
Shouting got women the vote. Do you think that was a bad idea?
No, as Baron said these people want special rights, they want to turn the world upside down.
But may be we should let them, eventually the gay population may die out.
lucifers angel 05-29-07, 04:57 PM No, as Baron said these people want special rights, they want to turn the world upside down.
But may be we should let them, eventually the gay population may die out.
how can the gay population die out when they all want to adopt children, if they adopt children surely we will have more gay people! (just a Thought)
spidergoat 05-29-07, 05:02 PM So you have to create 8(!!) posts to respond to my comments:confused: :rolleyes:
Education Kerry said if you make the most of it and you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you dont, you get stuck in Iraq.
Wartime U.S. military enlistees are better educated, wealthier, and more rural on average than their civilian peers.
http://www.heritage.org/Research/NationalSecurity/cda06-09.cfm
So what happened in Bush's case? I suspect brain damage due to alcoholism.
spidergoat 05-29-07, 05:04 PM Why do these people even call themselves GAY, gay still means happy to me.
Is it just a psychological trick to gain acceptance in the community?
Maybe we are cruel around here, but we still call homosexuals bum bandits,
and eye them with suspicion.
I can only think that them getting married is another psychological trick to
garner their acceptance in the community.
There is no reason why they shouldn't be accepted, and they certainly are in many communities. You are cruel and immoral.
Exploradora 05-29-07, 05:18 PM Why do these people even call themselves GAY, gay still means happy to me.
Is it just a psychological trick to gain acceptance in the community?
Maybe we are cruel around here, but we still call homosexuals bum bandits,
and eye them with suspicion.
I can only think that them getting married is another psychological trick to
garner their acceptance in the community.
Yes, it is all a conspiracy against you. In fact it is the goal of all gay and lesbian people to just irritate you.
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39923000/jpg/_39923518_earth_203_nasa._ok.jpg
See that beautiful thing? There are more important things going on on that blue sphere to crusade against. Trust me.
fishtail 05-29-07, 05:27 PM There is no reason why they shouldn't be accepted, and they certainly are in many communities. You are cruel and immoral.
You may think so, i have only had two experiances with gays.
One where this guy tried to chat me up, to start with i told him i was not interested, in the end i had to tell him to p___ off.
Another where i started what i thought was an online relationship with a nice sounding woman, only after two months being told the woman was a gay.
So my experiance tells me gays are not nice passive people just doing there thing between them selfs, they are intrusive and sly .
spidergoat 05-29-07, 05:30 PM Oh you poor baby.
Exploradora 05-29-07, 05:41 PM You may think so, i have only had two experiances with gays.
One where this guy tried to chat me up, to start with i told him i was not interested, in the end i had to tell him to p___ off.
I am willing to bet that he wasn't gay, but was rather some |