I am walking on a "planet" that exists in a "universe" that exists everywehere for it is all that there is. I am therefore everywhere in the universe.

How does one conceptualize/realize their existence within a context so provided? This is buggin the hell out of me.

I think your thought deserves to be expressed in at least another paragraph, as I feel no certainty in what you are actually trying to say. I'd like to know for sure what exactly is bugging the hell out of you before I respond with my own thoughts.:confused:

yes old chap
whatever do you mean. oh ok
lets play...spot the fallacy!

I am walking on a "planet" that exists in a "universe" that exists everywehere for it is all that there is. I am therefore everywhere in the universe.

now children...

a universe, by conventional definition, is all there is. it encompasses all that we are capable of perceiving. or simply going with the head's take...it is ""everywhere"!

the planet exists in a specific spot in this universe. why? distinctions have been made b/w the "universe" and the "planet".
while the universe is "everywhere", the planet is positioned in this universe.
furthermore, the head is positioned on this planet that in turn, is positioned in this universe
the head is then asserted to be everywhere

now children
spot the fallacy and then pin the tail on the donkey!

I think it'd be really cool to say "I'm on the far side of the Universe," or "I'm on the far side of the Galaxy," or "I'm on the far side of the Local Group." Totally awesome.

Maybe you're wondering where you really are?

It's quite simple. You're right there. I'm here, you're there. Comprendes? Bien.

I suppose it depends on which way you are looking at the question.

You exists at your position but you sense everthing. In doing so you are everything and everywhere your senses take you.

Take a simple magnet and apply infinity to it's relationship with the universe. The magnet exists every where and somewhere simultaneously. It's local position is it's centre in the everythingness. It is the centre of it's universe.

You too are the centre of your universe but the universe is also you and devoted to this centre called you.

If you imagine your self to the other side of the universe then that is where you are and here simultaneously. The better you imagine it the greater your presense "there"

I feel that if you are really good at it you will eventually learn to actually be there and not here at all ( corporal teleportation for want of better words)

umm
is there a dumbhead in the house?
or has this thread been abandoned for reasons of stupidity?

I will decide the time and place when I expand my original point. As for you moronic "positioned" post, thanks for the laugh.

always happy to please the head. expect a lot more pleasure:D

Originally posted by thefountainhed
I am walking on a "planet" that exists in a "universe" that exists everywehere for it is all that there is. I am therefore everywhere in the universe.

How does one conceptualize/realize their existence within a context so provided? This is buggin the hell out of me.

this is prime example of the ineffectual and retarded communication skills that are being taught to our youngsters. they are unable to form precise and ""to the point" conceptual or assertive formulations

for instance, rewording the above to take away the ambiguity and extraneous information that can only confuse and distract or, leave open for subjective interpretations, will enable all to make progress and reach a quick resolution

so... i offer....tadaaaa

i exist simultaneously..here, there and everywhere. discuss!

ps: pardon if i digress ...but is that a beatles song?
thankee kindlee

Expansion:

How do we distinguish ourselves within our environment? The term universe simply means our environment as a whole. The term planet is a further distinction to associate the self from the environment. One can go on with the hierarchy: country, state, county, city, home. There are all irrelevant and mere abstractions. The self is where the self wants to be; to distinguish the self from its environment and to realize that self within its environment is self awareness. How different would our awareness of ourselves be, provided a different context within which to realize ourselves? Even when we look at history, we can see that our ancestors were aware of themselves within the context of their environment- the universe, in a completely different manner than we are. The Earth was thought by some to be flat or the center of the universe, etc.

Anyway, I have an idea I am currently exploring; I am gonna go read Kant and see what he has to say. If I have something insightful, I will share.

Spock:

Must I always knock you unconciousness, piss on you, drag your unmoving body through the mud, etc before you will finally realize that you simply cannot win?

This was the orginal question: How does one conceptualize/realize their existence within a context so provided?

Obviously you misunderstood what was meant by this: I am walking on a "planet" that exists in a "universe" that exists everywehere for it is all that there is. I am therefore everywhere in the universe.

But that is OK; and irrelevant to the question asked.

If I have something insightful, I will share.

lol
is that a threat?

Must I always knock you unconciousness, piss on you, drag your unmoving body through the mud, etc before you will finally realize that you simply cannot win?

well must you, little man? what are you thoughts? (apart from trying to dictate my reality in some fantasy of yours)

This was the orginal question: [i]How does one conceptualize/realize their existence within a context so provided?

and it appears the context is wholly irrelevant. it appears that you recently discovered you have a brain of sorts and are trying it out. hence the redundant scenarios

Obviously you misunderstood what was meant by this: [i]I am walking on a "planet" that exists in a "universe" that exists everywehere for it is all that there is. I am therefore everywhere in the universe.

no i did not. i merely interpreted it as i saw fit. strictly! literally

But that is OK; and irrelevant to the question asked.

cool:D

some people are more comfortable when writing a question to use imaginary or fictional metaphorical analogies. Some people write questions in poetry and allow the reader great freedom in their interpretation.

Some people need to be lead by the hand and given things in specific detail that requires limited imagination.

Instead of asking the question what does one plus one equal some poeple will say, If I put a cow next to a horse how many animals are in the world?

Both questions are valid the difference being really how much imagination is required in the answering.

poor head

quack
great handle

Quack......quack:D

poor head
:raised eyebrow:

And just when I was gonna cut you some slack too..You like the proverbial foot up your ass don't you?

well must you, little man? what are you thoughts? (apart from trying to dictate my reality in some fantasy of yours)
Fool. I asked a question and in the "expansion" declared my thoughts. I will post, if I deem my idea worthy(if it is insightful), in this thread, so others can view.

and it appears the context is wholly irrelevant. it appears that you recently discovered you have a brain of sorts and are trying it out. hence the redundant scenarios
How do you go from the context is irrelevant to it appears I am now making use of my brain? You still have not leanred how to deduce and conclude without non-sequiturs? Did you not learn anything from the endless schooling here: http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=30900 Lastly, where is the redundancy?

no i did not. i merely interpreted it as i saw fit. strictly! literally
So let's see, you claim you understood what was originally meant. And then you purposely interpreted my assertion to fit your desires so you can once again attempt a belittlement that is ineffective? Focus man. You have to pick your spots with more care.

:raised eyebrow:

watch out for those bugs mr

And just when I was gonna cut you some slack too..

big mistake. i'd advice you to watch your back/stay on your toes/cross those t's and dot those i's.. if i so much as get a whiff of irrationality out of you..... you are gonna be trained, head, to be a good little poster. you brain is gonna be on overdrive!

You like the proverbial foot up your ass don't you?

what did i tell you about these homoerotic fantasies of yours?

Fool. I asked a question and in the "expansion" declared my thoughts. I will post, if I deem my idea worthy(if it is insightful), in this thread, so others can view.

ahh the man does realize his limitations. wait! perhaps the head merely seeks to cover his ass! yesiree bob! indeedly doodly!

Lastly, where is the redundancy?

you are it. dont you see yet? a total waste of space

So let's see, you claim you understood what was originally meant. And then you purposely interpreted my assertion to fit your desires so you can once again attempt a belittlement that is ineffective?

like it when i throw you a bone to play with? you gnaw the shit out of it. such is my largesse! i toy with you, little man.

ps:why? cos i can

:D My mornic fellow sciforumer is confused. You realize that on any given day, provided there are good threads or posts out there, you shall be ignored, no?

i can work with that. i have all the time in the world little man

ps: what were you saying about "abundant smilies"?

the smilie-- my amusement in your belief that you think that you are in control. I will indulge only when I choose to. And you go where I choose for you to go. Hell, I will even start threads and make posts geared purposesly for your "wrath" LOL.

iI'm sure you probably realize this... If not, Oh well.

i am sorry. i forgot to mention this, in light of your preferred method of discourse..one upmanship of the juvenile variety....my genitalia is bigger than yours

I will even start threads and make posts geared purposesly for your "wrath" LOL.

see that? you have no choice but to play along. your puffed up ego demands it while erroneously assuming that you control the flow of events

i like it
hop this way puppet.

as you will spock, as you will...

well go for it boy!
spam the forum! your gonna end up right where i want you to be. out!

How do we distinguish ourselves within our environment? The term universe simply means our environment as a whole. The term planet is a further distinction to associate the self from the environment. One can go on with the hierarchy: country, state, county, city, home. There are all irrelevant and mere abstractions.

so you waste a whole para on irrelevance and useless abstractions. why am i not surprised

The self is where the self wants to be;

vomit!

to distinguish the self from its environment and to realize that self within its environment is self awareness.

the lengths you go to prove you have a brain. lemme try...1+1=2.
yay frikkin me!

How different would our awareness of ourselves be, provided a different context within which to realize ourselves? Even when we look at history, we can see that our ancestors were aware of themselves within the context of their environment- the universe, in a completely different manner than we are. The Earth was thought by some to be flat or the center of the universe, etc.

there is no distinctions made here. exchanging a one position for another in the same container will not give rise to new metaphysical paradigms. you merely get a different scenery. plain, simple geography!:D

Anyway, I have an idea I am currently exploring; I am gonna go read Kant and see what he has to say. If I have something insightful, I will share.

yup. paraphrase and plagiarize. make a meaningless distinction and yes the head is all puffed up. i am the man! look at me strut!

pathetic!

yup. paraphrase and plagiarize. make a meaningless distinction and yes the head is all puffed up. i am the man! look at me strut!
You fucking son of whore who has been fucked twenty mustherfucking times by 33456789 midgets!!!! Do not fucking accuse of me of plagiarizing unless you can fucking prove it!!! I have never fucking used someone's ideas without quoting them!!!!!!! You have beed with me with me, that is fucking fine. But you will spread lies about me

"spread lies" implies i tell someone else. i do not play that as it is ineffectual.
i direct it at you. indeed it is a baseless allegation. i withdraw it. yet i am sure that you use another's shit without crediting them. we all do to an extent and pass it off as fair use. an egomaniac like you fits that profile quite well.

now get a hold of yourself boy and stop frothing in the mouth like a rabid dog. rather unbecoming conduct, dont you think?

*oops, silly question. you dont think! ever!
:D

now, critique my critique

You have beed with me with me, that is fucking fine. But you will spread lies about me

well. since i have your permission...how about...the head is really a crack whore?

fountainhed:
I am walking on a "planet" that exists in a "universe" that exists everywehere for it is all that there is. I am therefore everywhere in the universe.

Kanty's noumenal bullshit, yes?

How does one conceptualize/realize their existence within a context so provided? This is buggin the hell out of me.


Easy:
First how- you don't have to engage in idle metaphysical nighmares
Second how- Controlled insanity.

am gonna go read Kant and see what he has to say.
Liar. Nobody Reads Kant.

Only Mr. and Mrs. Skimming Cliffnoters think they do.

Answer to myself: Impossible.


Liar. Nobody Reads Kant
Now that is a moronic statement.

Here's answer two:
Now that is a moronic statement
No, boo boo. You are.

Perhaps you'd like to enlighten me on what Mr. Kant had to say on the senses? Spice the bitch up with all the chapters your wonderous mind has read on his reductionism.

I'm all ears, my boy. Bring it.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!! You actually expect that I will take up this "challenge"? LMAO. I have better ways to waste my time woman. If you however wanna flame, I'm game.:D

Hyena that does laugh much to cloud lack:
LOL!!!!!!!!!!! You actually expect that I will take up this "challenge"? LMAO

Scoff. You mean no phenomenal vs. noumenal bullshatta?

Pity. I was so looking forward to it but where flame wars go.....
what will it be, amigo- yo momma so fat's or yo momma so uglie's?

Hyena that does laugh much to cloud lack:
Or perhaps I expected the statement to draw such a response. There was nothing funny about your post; learn.

Scoff. You mean no phenomenal vs. noumenal bullshatta?
I mean, I am not that bored, nor will I get much fun educating you.

Pity. I was so looking forward to it but where flame wars go.....
what will it be, amigo- yo momma so fat's or yo momma so uglie's?
Neither. I prefer it vulgar. More like having a monkey stick babanas up all your orifices whilst I feed you chips to fatten you up even more. Something like that...

Or perhaps I expected the statement to draw such a response
Uhm...no. You're the kind to laugh loud when there's egg on your face. The last time I saw what you do it was on a boy trying to play off the fact that he just got blown off in front of his buddies.
SO sweet.


Neither. I prefer it vulgar. More like having a monkey stick babanas up all your orifices whilst I feed you chips to fatten you up even more. Something like that...
Ah.

You mean like taking these sausage fingers and squeezing that ugly face of yours like a pimple, then taking that Zulu head and nailing it to your ashy knees, yes?

Or pulling you out like a guinea worm?

Uhm...no. You're the kind to laugh loud when there's egg on your face. The last time I saw what you do it was on a boy trying to play off the fact that he just got blown off in front of his buddies.
SO sweet.
Bah. That guy is a moron. If you get blown off, move on to the next person. Hell, it's even better to get pissed drunk than to "play it off". The fool was just an insecure fuck.

Ah.
You mean like taking these sausage fingers and squeezing that ugly face of yours like a pimple, then taking that Zulu head and nailing it to your ashy knees, yes?
Nah, more like cutting off those sausage fingers, frying them and selling them for a dime a piece at the next Nascar race. Yea, that or watching you try to touch your toes as you bend over. Whichever I find more funny.

Or pulling you out like a guinea worm?
The Hed between my legs got stuck in your throat? Don't pull it out just yet, I like when you gargle.

Godfuckingdamn- you're unquestionably, incredibly, impossibly boring.

Loud fucking ah. Perhaps you miss the fact that it is my entertainment at stake and not yours? I'm perfectly entertained.