This is the ultimate projection of right-wingers like Hannity and Limbaugh and many of their followers. We're against Bush and Cheney just because they are our political enemies and we hate them? But it is the reverse projection that is true. They love Bush because they put their politics above country. They block out all the bad things that have happened to our country and all the lies that have been told because they refuse to accept, for political reasons, that their leader might be wrong. It is beyond comprehension or even possibility. The only reason the liberals hate Bush is because they want him out of power. But the reverse is actually true. They love Bush and refuse to see any faults because they want to stay in power. Liberals are mostly legitimate in their reasons for "hating" Bush but conservative are totally illegitimate in their reasons for loving Bush.

I think that beyond love/hate we are witnessing psychological defense mechanisms like projection. You may not have intended to use the word that way, but there are many ironies in the accusations hurled between camps these days.

It takes time and maneuvering for people to deal with colossal mistakes. In this case many lives and fortunes will be laid at the altar of face-saving before this era ends. When it does, the present regime will have passed into disgrace. Today's iconic Bushista pundits will of course play for time because their careers will end simultaneously with the total political discrediting of the Cheney-Wolfowitz-Rove-Bush cabal.

Hannity and Limbaugh are beyond caring about policy. This is just a football game to them and they know which side they are playing for and rooting for. They are having fun. When they speak, Bush can no wrong, and liberals can do no right, and reality is whatever they say it is.

thats why it will be funny as hell to watch them all get impeached.

how long do you think americans will put up with a lame duck president who refuses to acknowledge reality,has polls in the 20s,and wants to continue to fight a pointless insane war with people who never attacked us?

id give it until they reinstate the draft.

I would love to see impeachments but don't underestimate what the Republicans can do with their advertising money and their pet media to get the American people to reelect a republican congress in 2006 and therefore stop impeachment.

Even if the dems take congress they have no killer instinct and won't push for impeachment. If the dems won't prove Bush lied on WMD you can forget about impeachment.

You left wingers are projecting your own irrationality onto the right. There's plenty that Bush does that pisses me off. The medicare prescription drug plan, signing the "campaign finance reform" bill, runaway spending, budget deficits. The list goes on. I happen to agree with him on foriegn policy and believe the Democrats would be far worse on the other issues. So I'm stuck with the Republicans. It's the Left that is irrational with their opposition to Bush to the point that they root for the other side in a war. There's a name for that, it's called treason.

Treason is betraying your country. This President and the war machine are busy betraying our country and our ideals over there in Iran (not Iran, Iraq) and at home.

Is it treason to expose treason, if exposing the treason creates disunity, and if the treason to be exposed got us in to a situation that may not be winable, but might be winable if we stay united?

...are busy betraying our country and our ideals over there in Iran and at home.

Betraying our country? "Our" country? But didn't "we" elect him as president, for a second term, even while the war was going on? Who is this "our" of whom you speak?

And "our ideals"? Please explain what those "ideals" are? I'm sure that lots of people here would find it very iinteresting, if not enlightening.

Baron Max

no,bush is a dumbass ,he stole BOTH the elections,he perpetrated 9/11,he LIED to get us into 2 wars,he gave away ALL the publics money to RICH people,he HATES due procesess of law,he tortures people and murders them.

this dipshit is going to be remebered as the worst presdient EVER.

and your a worthless dumbass if you think otherwise.

Mars, President Bush was voted into offfice in accordance with the laws of this great nation. Twice! So instead of railing against the president, perhaps you should be railing against the voters of the USA ....the ones who put him into office ...TWICE!

You can call him whatever you wish, but that doesn't change one, single thing ...he's still the President of the United States, and he was duly elected by the people.

Baron Max

George Bush is not my president.

Well, if ye're one of them thar' damned furriners, then I guess not. But I didn't know you were a damned furriner??!

Baron Max

I'm an American.

If Bush was voted into office in accordance with the law, then why did the Supreme Court make a one-time exception in Bush V. Gore? They specifically didn't want their decision to become a precedent. (afraid the dems would use it perhaps?)

If ye're an American, then President Bush is "your" president .....and all the denial in the world won't change it.

Supreme Court issue? You agree with the Supreme Court on other issues, you believe other such august bodies like the UN and the bullshit of Declar. of Human Rights crap, yet here you DON'T agree with them. Is this just a "pick n' chose' what you want and don't want, what you like and don't like, what you'll do and not do? And no one has any powers over SpiderGoat? If so, it sounds like an over-inflated ego. :)

Baron Max

Since when did the Supreme Court ever interfere with a state election, and declare that it's only for "this one time"? I guess that state's rights dogma was just alot of hot air. This decision was unlike any other.

But you agree with the Supreme Court on other issues, right? So are you really a "pick n' choose" sorta' guy? ...one with a huge, overly inflated ego? :)

Baron Max

I don't necessarily agree with it's decisions all the time, but at least I respect them, except for Bush v. Gore, which was highly partisan.

this is america,we DONT APOINT PRESIDENTS.

and how is FRAUDULANT evoting machines NOT stealing an election?



the GAO said the 2004election was stolen.

im going to take their investigation and MOUNTAINS of evidence as proof.

Mars, President Bush was voted into offfice in accordance with the laws of this great nation. Twice! So instead of railing against the president, perhaps you should be railing against the voters of the USA ....the ones who put him into office ...TWICE!

He wasn't voted into office by the american people, he was voted into office by diebold. So rally against the voters who DIDN'T elect Bush? Logical Baron.

If this was a liberal that stole the election like Bush did it would be "ALL" over the news! And everyone would know about it.

I won't even mention this unwinnable war we're in. (Considering there's absolutely no logical debate that explains why we're there. It's nothing except talking points and propoganda.)

He wasn't voted into office by the american people, he was voted into office by diebold.

Committees and investigators and the FBI (and probably the CIA and the KGB!) have investigated that and many such "idiotic" allegations and accusations and none of it has been found to have any evidence to it.

You may not like it, but President Bush is, in fact, our president. Live with it!

Baron Max

If the left had a Limbaugh and a Fox TV, holy shit, there would be a huge stink about whether or not Bush ever got elected.

Gore is a loser. Deal with it. If he wasnt such a retard then maybe the more moderate of us would have voted for him.

That election has to be one of the reasons why Diebold changed its name. Now if anyone wants to beat up Diebold for what it did to the U.S., he will have to do careful research to even find the miscreants.

Gore is a loser. Deal with it. If he wasnt such a retard then maybe the more moderate of us would have voted for him.

Oh, the irony..

- N

Committees and investigators and the FBI (and probably the CIA and the KGB!) have investigated that and many such "idiotic" allegations and accusations and none of it has been found to have any evidence to it.

You may not like it, but President Bush is, in fact, our president. Live with it!

Baron Max


gee,i guess you didnt read the GAO[government accountability office] report that said the 2004 electing was stolen.

http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d05956.pdf

Is the GAO some kind of final authority in the election processes? And we should listen to ONLY them, and no one else, regardless of their expertise?

Baron Max

yes

And no one else? Not even the Supreme Court? ...even tho' the Supreme Court is the body of government that basically settles any and all disputes in our nation? But for the election process, the GAO has final authority over even the Supreme Court? and you approve of that?

Baron Max

theres not ONE law anywhere that says the supreme court gets to appoint the president.

election disputes are a STATE matter,and should be handled according to STATE law.

and the GAO just says who is accountable for whatever,if they say the 04 elections were screwed up,whether intentional or accidentaly,then we HAVE to fix the problem and hold people accountable,and the people who figure out what when wrong and why are the GAO.they say the 04 elections were fucked up,all EVIDENCE says they were fucked up,and the company that made the fucked up machines gives money to W.

and im supposed to be OK with that?thats democracy?

gee,i guess you didnt read the GAO[government accountability office] report that said the 2004 electing was stolen.

http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d05956.pdf

I thought you screwed up the name, but Government accounting office really did change it's name to government accountability office.

That document is 100 pages long and does not look likely to accuse Bush of winning by fraud. What page should we read?

I posted the best stuff I could find on the probable 2004 fraud a few months ago.

if you just want a summary,then do a search for it.

it clearly states that diebold machines are inaccurate at best,and fraudualnt at worst.

and considering that diebold gives money to Ws campaign,its probably fraud.

it clearly states that diebold machines are inaccurate at best,...

How inaccurate? What's the system of measuring that accuracy?

and considering that diebold gives money to Ws campaign,its probably fraud.

The operative word there is "probably" ....meaning there ain't no proof, no evidence, but ONLY slanderous allegations and unfounded accusations.

Are you suggesting that a company can't give money to a political campaign without being accused of fraud??? Surely you don't mean that?

Baron Max

unfounded? thats why the GAO has MOUNTAINS of evidence.

but you didnt read the report,so what would you know anyway.

Wait, Mars, read my post, THEN answer the questions! You went straight into "attack mode" without even reading my questions. Try again, please.

Baron Max

read the report.

Answer my questions.

Baron Max

all your answers are IN the report.

you wont read it because you WANT to argue with me.


read the report if you care.

you wont read it because you WANT to argue with me.

No, I'm trying to open your eyes to a different viewpoint or perspective. You've latched onto this one, single report as if it's the absolute report on this issue and you refuse to acknowledge that it must might not be saying/proving what YOU believe or like.

There are many different and varied opinions on that issue, and before you make up your mind and become a rabid activist, you should explore things a bit further.

Baron Max

i knew of these issues LONG before the report came,the report is just PROOF of those allegations.

lets see,the owner of diebold is a bush campaign financier AND he makes the voting machines and the voting machines have HUNDREDS of problems that ALL lead to W winning.

in arizona,ALL counties that used diebold machines went to W,even if they had more demacrates and ususaly vote demacrat.

the same sititation happaned THOUSANDS of times all over the country.

THOUSANDS of people say they voted for kerry,but their vote screen said they voted for W.

and the repubs fought tooth and nail to NOT have a paper trail.

you must think OJ is still looking for the REAL killer.

What's the system of measuring that accuracy?

There is none. That's why we want a paper trail.

And our powder dry.