http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060414/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iran_israel_2;_ylt=Ap4DqEgvFbR223JNQmjTOXlSw60A;_y lu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

a few posters here have said that iran is enriching uranium for only peaceful purposes..

reading the remarks in the link, can you defend him threatening the state of israel with a "single storm", on the same day they have announced their first full scale uranium enrichment in defiance to UN demands?

this is not a thread about muslims or jews. lets see if the maniacs (we all know who i am talking about) can keep themselves on topic.

It's indefensable, but it is probably just posturing for nationalistic support, same as the neo-cons do.

Wow, all I had to do in that article is replace Iran with the U.S. and Israel with any numerous Arab country and it sounds like a speech given by the White House!

:bugeye:

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See?

U.S. Leader: Iran Will Be Annihilated

By John Smith, Associated Press Writer Fri Apr 14, 2:19 PM ET

Washington D.C. - The president of the U.S. again lashed out at Iran on Friday and said it was "heading toward annihilation," just days after the White House raised fears about its nuclear activities by saying it successfully enriched uranium for the first time.

President George W. Bush called Iran a "permanent threat" to the Middle East that will "soon" be liberated. He also appeared to again question whether Abu Graib really happened.

"Like it or not, the Iranian regime is heading toward annihilation," Bush said at the opening of a conference in support of the Westernized Iranians. "The Iran regime is a rotten, dried tree that will be eliminated by one storm."

Bush provoked a world outcry a few years ago when he said Iran and Iraq as part of the "Axis of Evil".

On Friday, he repeated his previous line on Abu Graib, saying: "If such a disaster is true, why should the people of this region pay the price? Why does the Iraqi nation have to be suppressed and have its land occupied?"

The land of Iraq, he said, referring to the U.S. mandated territory that includes all of Kurds, Shiites, Sunnis and the Green Zone, "will be freed soon."

He did not say how this would be achieved, but insisted to the audience of at least 900 people: "Believe that Iraq will be freed soon."

"The existence of this (Iranian) regime is a permanent threat" to the Middle East, he added. "Its existence has harmed the dignity of Islamic nations."

The three-day conference on Iran is being attended by officials of Hamas, the ruling party in the Palestinian territories.

The U.S. has previously said it will give money to the Iraqi Authority to make up for the withdrawal of donations by Western nations who object to Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's refusal to recognize the new Iraqi Government and renounce violence. But no figure has been published.

A couple years ago, Bush announced that Iraq was very close to enriching uranium using yellow cake and a battery of 164 centrifuges, a significant step toward the large-scale production of enriched uranium required for either fueling nuclear reactors or making nuclear weapons.

The United States, UK and Israel accused both Iraq and Iran of using a civilian nuclear program to secretly build a weapon. Iraq and Iran denies this, saying its program is confined to generating electricity.

The U.S. has given Iraq only a short while to cease enrichment. But Iraq has rejected the demand saying they have no WMDs even though they decided to disarm all their long-range missles.

The chief of Israeli military intelligence, Maj. Gen. Amos Yadlin, was quoted Wednesday as saying both Iraq and Iran could develop a nuclear bomb "within three years, by the end of the decade for Iran, but only a few months for Iraq"

:D

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Wouldn't it make more sense to go after North Korea who has already developed Nuclear weapons than criticize Iran which is develeoping a civilian nuclear program?

How believable is this accusation after the intelligence failure in Iraq from the same intelligence sources.

I guess the US doesn't want to fight a nation which has Nuclear weapons, so much for Nuclear Non-Proliferation. Also the US gives nuclear material to Israel and recently India, both not signatories of the NPT. Iran has signed the treaty, and yet it isnt allowed to have a civilian nuclear program which is its right according to this treaty. This is the height of hypocrisy of America.

If US ever invades Iran, it will be very difficult, becuase Iran is more populous than iraq, has more support in the Muslim world, and also has a very nationalistic and patriotic people who love their country and its ideals.

I just wish the best to prevent war and allow Iran to preserve its right under this treaty and not be forced to give up its soveriegn right.

Also, President Ahmedi Najad is right on many points which Western media does not expand on. He is a great leader who knows how to stir the Muslim masses of all countries. He said, 'why are palestinians punished for the crimes of europeans and have their land occupied?' 'israel will create its own annihilation if it conitnues to oppress palestinians.' The Sardar Ahmedi Najad did not deny the Holocaust as the West likes to proclaim, but he asks why the Western importance of it above other genocides of people like Palestinians. All genocide is bad, but it is better to end genocide of others in this present which is the best way to honor those murdered brutally in genocide in the past, not merely to do nothing as the west does today.

Also Iran has repeatedly been defamed by Israel and has been an enemy of Israel ever since Iran helped Lebanon defeat Israeli occupation of their land. Recently Iranians shot an Israeli spy plane on the irani-iraqi border. This proves israel and America have ill intentions for Iran and are trying to undermine its soveriengty.

Long Live Iran.

Peace.

Wouldn't it make more sense to go after North Korea who has already developed Nuclear weapons than criticize Iran which is develeoping a civilian nuclear program?

Iran is an unstable dictatorship ran by fanatics (so is Israel and the united shits of America). They should be prevented from gaining nuclear arms. The last thing the world needs is a radical Islamic government spreading nuclear arms to fanatical terrorist groups. Offcourse I don't know whether it is actually true that they are trying to get nuclear arms (although I don't see why they wouldn't want to have them) but you have no way of knowing either.

He is a great leader who knows how to stir the Muslim masses of all countries. He said, 'why are palestinians punished for the crimes of europeans and have their land occupied?' 'israel will create its own annihilation if it conitnues to oppress palestinians.' The Sardar Ahmedi Najad did not deny the Holocaust as the West likes to proclaim, but he asks why the Western importance of it above other genocides of people like Palestinians. All genocide is bad, but it is better to end genocide of others in this present which is the best way to honor those murdered brutally in genocide in the past, not merely to do nothing as the west does today.
In case you didn't want to notice or forgot, the Ottomans used to be pretty good at annihalating entire populaces and surrendering garrisons, raping and plundering and forcing their POW's into Islam (there are exceptions though)

The entire Muslim world combined minus SA, Turkey and India isn't by any means a threat to Israel & United shits.

In a December 2005 speech, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said that the Holocaust was "a myth" that had been promoted to defend Israel, ramping up his rhetoric and triggering a fresh wave of international condemnation. "They have fabricated a legend under the name 'Massacre of the Jews', and they hold it higher than God himself, religion itself and the prophets themselves," he said.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial#Ahmadinejad_and_Iran


I cannot agree more.

Wouldn't it make more sense to go after North Korea who has already developed Nuclear weapons than criticize Iran which is develeoping a civilian nuclear program?
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Iran is an unstable dictatorship ran by fanatics

Funny, that's exactly what was told to us about Kim Jong Il and North Korea. Now we don't even hear a peep about them anymore.

So much for them being such a threat, and yet, they still have access to their nukes and haven't done anything with em.

It seems that once you get nukes, people leave you alone. Imagine that. Now if only the rest of the world's countries can acquire em so that other countries, such as ours, will quit throwing our weight around other non-nuclear countries.

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The authors words:

In a December 2005 speech, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said that the Holocaust was "a myth" that had been promoted to defend Israel, ramping up his rhetoric and triggering a fresh wave of international condemnation.

What was said by Sardar Ahmadi Nejad:

"They have fabricated a legend under the name 'Massacre of the Jews', and they hold it higher than God himself, religion itself and the prophets themselves," he said.

We see that he actually said the Zionists have made the Holocaust bigger than it was and above even religion. He said also that if the Europeans want to pay back the Jews, they should establish israel in Europe and not punish the Palestinians for a crime they didn't commit.

Look at what else he said:

"You (the big powers) accuse Iran of pursuing non-peaceful nuclear programs while, we believe that your nuclear activities are inhumane and that you have weapons of mass destruction," President Ahmadinejad

"The Iranian nation's right to nuclear energy is non-negotiable," he stressed, adding that "no one can ever force us to back down an inch from the path that we are currently treading."

"Anyone who signs a treaty which recognises the entity of Israel means he has signed the surrender of the Muslim world," Ahmadinejad said.

"Any leaders in the Islamic umma who recognise Israel face the wrath of their own people."

He is a hero of the Muslim world and unlike many puppets in our region, he speaks exactly what the Muslim masses want to hear. He is very popular in Iran and also the Muslim world. He is Israel's worst nightmare, he is the first Islamic leader in a long time to ever openly resist Israel.

Peace.

Ahmadinejad and Bush should both be placed in indefinite detention. Both are idiotic nutcases.

Given the range of nuclear fallout, wouldn't Iran irradiate an awful lot of Palestinians and Jordanians if they bombed Israel?

Ahmadinejad and Bush should both be placed in indefinite detention. Both are idiotic nutcases.

you forgot "religious extremist", "intolerant of other cultures", and "bigoted".

:)

Zephyr:

Given the range of nuclear fallout, wouldn't Iran irradiate an awful lot of Palestinians and Jordanians if they bombed Israel?

That's pretty much correct. Which highlights the absurdity of the rationalisations used to invade Iran. Iran is no threat. ANY country would only use nukes as a last resort, out of desperation.

Diamondheart, Korea dos not have the capability to contaminat most of the worlds oil supply and destroy the Palistian home land, while claiming to help the the Palistians, If Iran would nuke, Isriael, to destroy them in a single storm, the Palistians will be destroyed in that same storm, not to mension the rest of the middle east that will be contamanated by nuclear fallout all the wayto Pakistan, that means you are on the same target.

Diamondheart, Korea dos not have the capability to contaminat most of the worlds oil supply and destroy the Palistian home land, while claiming to help the the Palistians, If Iran would nuke, Isriael, to destroy them in a single storm, the Palistians will be destroyed in that same storm, not to mension the rest of the middle east that will be contamanated by nuclear fallout all the wayto Pakistan, that means you are on the same target.

Exactly why Iran would never even consider a nuclear war, it would be hazardous to their country and their friends.

Iran is much less powerful than the US, NATO, even Israel, why are you people worrying so much?

Iran is pursuing a peaceful nuclear program and they have every right to becuase they signed the NPT treaty. If the West wanted to end their programs, i suggest some economic incentives for Iran so they don't need it, but then again the West has never wanted the best for Iran or its people.

Peace.

Iran is much less powerful than the US, NATO, even Israel, why are you people worrying so much?

Because they're not Westernized.

Those who won't become Westernized are a threat to the NWO.

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Exactly why Iran would never even consider a nuclear war, it would be hazardous to their country and their friends.

Iran is much less powerful than the US, NATO, even Israel, why are you people worrying so much?

Iran is pursuing a peaceful nuclear program and they have every right to becuase they signed the NPT treaty. If the West wanted to end their programs, i suggest some economic incentives for Iran so they don't need it, but then again the West has never wanted the best for Iran or its people.

Peace.

they were offered an alternative by russia.
they denied the alternative. what is the rest of the world supposed to think?

they were offered an alternative by russia.
they denied the alternative. what is the rest of the world supposed to think?
Because they don't want their energy supply to be controlled by Russia? I'm sure there would be strings attached to such a deal...

"They have fabricated a legend under the name 'Massacre of the Jews', and they hold it higher than God himself, religion itself and the prophets themselves," he said.

We see that he actually said the Zionists have made the Holocaust bigger than it was and above even religion.
Don't fool yourself. He said the Zionists made the Holocaust up, and then held it above religion. The first part is what constitutes Holocaust denial.

Don't fool yourself. He said the Zionists made the Holocaust up, and then held it above religion. The first part is what constitutes Holocaust denial.

Well the Zionists sure as hell did a wonderful job trying to make the Holocaust out to be a Jew-only tragedy and they were rewarded greatly with their own country in the Middle East.

I'm sure in their Zionist eyes, the Holocaust was a neccessary event for their greater good. Mere "collateral damage" and all were the poor victims of that event.

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The Sardar Ahmedi Najad did not deny the Holocaust

Yes, he did.

as the West likes to proclaim, but he asks why the Western importance of it above other genocides of people like Palestinians.
Well, for one thing, because there is no genocide of the Palestinians. To use the term in this respect is an insult to the millions of innocents that have perished in actual genocides.

Zephyr:

That's pretty much correct. Which highlights the absurdity of the rationalisations used to invade Iran. Iran is no threat. ANY country would only use nukes as a last resort, out of desperation.
You're presuming that Iran would actually give a shit about the fallout over Jordan and the PA. In all likelyhood they will be "glorious martyrs for Allah."

Because they don't want their energy supply to be controlled by Russia? I'm sure there would be strings attached to such a deal...

believe me, if the iranians have a friend in all this mess....its the russians.

http://lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/iran_sw_asia.jpg

Obviously, we don't want Iran to have nuclear weapons and I don't know if they're developing them, but if they're not developing them, they're crazy.
-- Martin van Creveld, Professor of Military History at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem.

Credit: The graphic showing the U.S. military presence in southwest Asia, is via Needlenose

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http://lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com/news/

its true that america has put iran in an impossible situation

:D
Of course, there are other important factors involved, but it looks funny.

http://www.needlenose.com/i/fubar/axisofevil.jpg

You're presuming that Iran would actually give a shit about the fallout over Jordan and the PA. In all likelyhood they will be "glorious martyrs for Allah."
I'm sure in their Zionist eyes, the Holocaust was a neccessary event for their greater good. Mere "collateral damage" and all were the poor victims of that event.
These quotes sound so similar ... was that deliberate? :p

http://lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/iran_sw_asia.jpg

Obviously, we don't want Iran to have nuclear weapons and I don't know if they're developing them, but if they're not developing them, they're crazy.
-- Martin van Creveld, Professor of Military History at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem.

Credit: The graphic showing the U.S. military presence in southwest Asia, is via Needlenose

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http://lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com/news/

hahaha. I agree completely. If Iran went after nuclear weapons it would be suicide. Iran wants to pursue nuclear uranium enrichment so they do not have to rely on their oil for energy, which they can sell to the world for more profits.

For Iranians and many of their supporters, this is the right of Iran to pursue betterment of their country's energy demands to promote development of their country and a better life for Iranians.

Peace.