Religious lunacy

a mother in texas cuts of babys arm because she believed she was supposed to "give the baby to God." She's pleaded not guilty by insanity, however the prosecution states, they haven't found her "to be dangerously insane during her treatment." Dr. Zaki who analyzed her, "characterized Dena Schlosser as “delusional and hyperreligious.” He said she told him in May she was staying up nights and reading the Bible, which scared her"
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Dena Schlosser

full article here
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6561617/

Now we have a funny twist to the story.
Her pastor has claimed that she is mentally insane and that treatment can't help her, only God can.
Hilarious! it's a belief in god that made her insane in the first place?

cases like this are funny because it illustrates in a dramatic manner exactly how everyone has different conversations with their fanciful god. One persons god is the cause of the problem, another persons god is the solution to the problem.


"Pastor blames demons, not mental illness
Defense accuses him, husband of downplaying Plano mom's behavior

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/3663101.html
By THOMAS KOROSEC
Copyright 2006 Houston Chronicle

MCKINNEY - The pastor of a charismatic Christian church attended by the Plano mother on trial, accused of fatally cutting off the arms of her 10-month-old daughter, told jurors Wednesday that mental illness is really demon possession that cannot be cured with psychiatry or medicine.

"I do not believe that any mental illness exists other than demons, and no medication can straighten it out, other than the power of God," said Doyle Davidson, the 73-year-old minister of the Water of Life Church that Dena and John Schlosser attended several times a week.


full article here
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/3663101.html
By THOMAS KOROSEC
thomas.korosec@chron.com
Copyright 2006 Houston Chronicle

one question, why is it always religious nutters that do these things.

thanks RR

That could only happen in America, and within America that could only happenin Texas.

Fucking Jews!!!

Oh boy.

That could only happen in America, and within America that could only happenin Texas.

Fucking Jews!!!
wow such hatred but couldnt agree more

This reminds me of Steven Wade,
a school friend who lived a few doors down the road, when I was about 9 years old.

He was strangled by his mother, a Christian zealot keen on classical music.

The word was that she said "he had the Devil in him".

At the School they said a prayer then nothing more was ever said of it,
no big media story, all very quiet.

--- RH.

It's cases like this that make me laugh when religious people say God is needed to keep society in check. It doesn't surprise me that societies with secular values are healthier.

A literal belief in God and religions like this makes people do crazy things (see America).

You would have to be completely irrational to believe that it was her belief in God that made her attack her own child. It was her pychological instability, most likely caused from a chemical deficiency or excess, and her inability to treat it.

For her, God is not the problem, mental illness is. For anyone to attribute otherwise is like admitting that you are as irrational as she is.

Max

What do they expect when God is supposed to have told Moses to kill his son, and he was gonna do it!? Is she any less crazy than that woman from Trading Spouses (http://youtube.com/watch?v=HoPW5RsMftQ&search=trading%20spouses)?

You would have to be completely irrational to believe that it was her belief in God that made her attack her own child. It was her pychological instability, most likely caused from a chemical deficiency or excess, and her inability to treat it.

For her, God is not the problem, mental illness is. For anyone to attribute otherwise is like admitting that you are as irrational as she is.

Max

It is completely rational to kill your children if you beleive the Bible to be the authority of God himself. If the Bible is the word of God, then it is God who is irrational - People like Dena Schlosser are merely doing what they are told.

All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)

Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on his way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him. "Go up baldhead," they shouted, "go up baldhead!" The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then two shebears came out of the woods and tore forty two of the children to pieces. (2 Kings 2:23-24 NAB)

If even then you remain hostile toward me and refuse to obey, I will inflict you with seven more disasters for your sins. I will release wild animals that will kill your children and destroy your cattle, so your numbers will dwindle and your roads will be deserted. (Leviticus 26:21-22 NLT)

Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)

I could go on...

You have a point, KennyJC. I wonder why people don't obey all the strange rules of Leviticus, too.

Max also has a point, crazy people could attach on almost any pretext to act crazy, like sports teams or politics.

Well so long as we agree that the Bible is crazy. If the Bible is crazy then it stands to reason people who take it literally are (or will become) crazy.

I just find it endlessly funny that the word of God is now illegal. 'True' Christians would find themselves in jail today which is why they must ignore half the Bible, which is an embarrassment to their faith.

That could only happen in America, and within America that could only happenin Texas.

Fucking Jews!!!

Anywhere religion exists there will be such lunacy:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060329/wl_nm/iraq_displaced_dc

Fucking Jews!!!

Pi-Sudoku has been banned for 3 days for this offensive, racist comment.

that lady from trading spouses gets me every time. people like her are why american society is in decline.

'Suffer little chidren to come onto me, and forbid them not, for of such is the Kingdom of God.'

In other words little kids who suffer and die will get into heaven because that's the way it is, Sorry. Permission to strap bomb on kid granted.

You would have to be completely irrational to believe that it was her belief in God a belief in god, is completely irrational,so can you wonder at it.that made her attack her own child. It was her pychological instability, well duh!, indoctrination into religion from birth can have that effect on people.(it's a form of child abuse) most likely caused from a chemical deficiency or excess, yes that would not help but the catalyst was the religion.and her inability to treat it.no not hers, because she is crazy, but those around her yes, their inability to notice, killed that child (the church and her husband).

For her, God is not the problem, mental illness is.oh yes it is, it's the only problem. she believes with her entire being that god told her to do it, why is that different then what mose thought he heard god or eljah. For anyone to attribute otherwise is like admitting that you are as irrational as she is. yes for any religious people, it would be admitting their irrationality, well if the cap fits wear it.
but for any rational clearthinking person, shes a nutter, a fruitloop, a lunatic, any name you wish to call her shes absolutely crazy.

Pi-Sudoku has been banned for 3 days for this offensive, racist comment.

If her faith encourages her to kill a baby then her faith is completely screwball. Fucking Jews sound appropriote ( was she a jew or was that just random?)

why do some people hate jews? what are jews? jesus was a jew. i don't understand.

people hate jews because some of them do stuff like this and kill a baby
jews arepretty much the same as muslims, they have slightly different beliefs but the fundamental principles are the same
Yep jesus was a jew, and they killed him, didn't they?

FUCK THE JEWS, there Pi ill take the fall with you against this awful faith

That seems a bit antisemitic Jax, i doubt Pi was taking a stand against the faith.

What are you, a neo nazi?

It is completely rational to kill your children if you beleive the Bible to be the authority of God himself. If the Bible is the word of God, then it is God who is irrational - People like Dena Schlosser are merely doing what they are told.

That is a ridiculous statement. Then why aren't all Christians killing their children (they all want to be rational)? If I tell you that God told me that you should jump off a bridge, and you do it, then you have a problem beyond religion. You have a physically manifested psychological infirmity. You have a problem with "authority." Not all religious people have a problem with authority. It was something inside her that was self-destructive. Her emotional excuse (because it is only an excuse) was religion. It seems that you are making it an easy jump to say that all people that do bad things do them in the name of religion ("Because God told me to do it"); that line of reasoning leads to the absurd.

Max

Anywhere religion exists there will be such lunacy

No. Anywhere psychologically sensitive people live, there will be such lunacy. Even assuming that religion makes some people crazy, most crazy people don't need anything more than an abusive relative.

Max

believes with her entire being that god told her to do it

I want to know how you have the ability to see into the mind of an individual (and know their motivation), especially one with clearly demented thought patterns. I have a better question: Would you believe anything a crazy person told you, or is it just that you only want to believe the things related to religion?

Max

If I tell you that God told me that you should jump off a bridge, and you do it, then you have a problem beyond religion.

I am talking about what God says in the Bible in black and white. What true Christian could say God is wrong?

Are you trying to tell me that the Bible is full of shit and that we shouldn't really kill our children for swearing at parents?

You are placed in the awkward situation as a Christian that if you say this is wrong, then the Bible which is a Christians ultimate authority, is wrong.

Result: Your religion is full of fucking shit and you are full of fucking shit.

'Suffer little chidren to come onto me, and forbid them not, for of such is the Kingdom of God.'

In other words little kids who suffer and die will get into heaven because that's the way it is, Sorry. Permission to strap bomb on kid granted.

Actually this is sufer as in the old sense like "I do not suffer fools, gladly." as in allowing them to be near even if it grates your nerves.

I used to think Jesus was a Jew, but I don't think so anymore. Jews would consider him Jewish, but I don't think he would. He rejected the dietary requirements and circumcision, and differentiated his theology from Judaism on at least one occasion.

Pi-Sudoku has been banned for 3 days for this offensive, racist comment.
How can that be racist if Jews aren't a race? Offensive, yes. Insensitive, yes. Racist? No.

How can that be racist if Jews aren't a race? Offensive, yes. Insensitive, yes. Racist? No.
fuck me its hardly that offensive, your just a little sensitive

I want to know how you have the ability to see into the mind of an individual (and know their motivation), this is usually done, by listening to the evidence from the family and friends, and taking a long look at there way of live, thus you can usually find the catalyst, that caused this person to become demented in the first place, in her case it was religion, infact in 99% of case it's religion. especially one with clearly demented thought patterns. caused by her very strong believe in god, as has been esablished by all but you. I have a better question: Would you believe anything a crazy person told you,of course not, but I did when I was a child when I was indoctrinated into religion. luckly I grew out of it.or is it just that you only want to believe the things related to religion?no, but there is to much evidence, of people's belief in this god fantasy, from the being of time, heck two thirds of the world believe it now, go figure. for these things not too be religion related, there has never in the history of mankind been anything more evil then religion.("Because God told me to do it"); that line of reasoning leads to the absurd.unfortunately sometimes the truth is absurd.

when ask why she cut the babies arm off she said "cause god told me I had to give the baby to him." for some strange reason this look remarkably like religion had something to do with it, be it direct or indirect, but it certainly had something to do with it, else where did she get the idea in the first place.
if she was'nt a devout religious person and was'nt claiming that god told her then, you could say that religion had nothing to do with it.

I used to think Jesus was a Jew, but I don't think so anymore. Jews would consider him Jewish, but I don't think he would. He rejected the dietary requirements and circumcision, and differentiated his theology from Judaism on at least one occasion.


actually...jesus was like the ultimate jew....i have been banned from synagogue in my hometown for such statements, but eh....

a jew isnt someone who follows rules like a robot. a jew will live life at life's pace, and enjoy every minute of it. true, the laws are to be followed, but to a realistic extent. even the pharisees in jesus' time didnt adhere to the letter of the law. they allowed the romans to stop them from killing criminals, in favor of a roman court. the torah specifically dictates that a jew follow the laws of the land they live in.

in short, the story of jesus is badass, and i believe as a jew that if i could be more like the jesus that is represented in christian new testaments, i would be a better jew than i am today.

actually...jesus was like the ultimate jew....

i'm gonna go ahead and say that if jesus existed, he was the first christian, not the ultimate jew. i mean what else would he be, he's the supposed founder of a religion, it makes sense that that would be his choice of faiths, regardless of how similar it may have been to judaism.

thats the thing...he didnt found a new religion. he tried to reform judaism. the fucking dinosaurs wouldnt take it though.

christians didnt show up until after he was dead. by "christian" i mean people worshipping him as a god of a new religion.

That could only happen in America, and within America that could only happenin Texas.

Fucking Jews!!!

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M*W: I don't get the connection where Pi-Sudoku thinks Dena Schlosser is a Jew. She may be, I don't know, but just because she has a German surname, which means "palace" or "castle," does not mean she is a Jew.

Further, his banning was appropriate but not only for that reason. He made racial slurs to ALL ethnicities living in the United States of America, and then turned the knife on me. Don't mess with Texas.

steers and....wait, what was the last part again?

thats the thing...he didnt found a new religion. he tried to reform judaism. the fucking dinosaurs wouldnt take it though.

christians didnt show up until after he was dead. by "christian" i mean people worshipping him as a god of a new religion.

yeah, but thats what i'm saying, like it or not, he is the foundation of christianity, everything that differentiates christianity from judaism is the belief in the credibility of jesus's words, his divinity, and his crucifixion and ressurrection as proof. whether he was trying to start a new religion or not seems to be almost beside the point, he failed to reform judaism and get it to accept his editorializing of their faith, but you would postulate that he still believed what he said and in what he did, which is all that matters and all that makes the two things different. unless of course you think he didnt believe in his own divinity, which is entirely possible if you think he was just a man and not the son of god. trust me, there's some reasoning in there somewhere, even if i rambled a bit.

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wow, best not say anything here incase james bans you

yeah, but thats what i'm saying, like it or not, he is the foundation of christianity, everything that differentiates christianity from judaism is the belief in the credibility of jesus's words, his divinity, and his crucifixion and ressurrection as proof. whether he was trying to start a new religion or not seems to be almost beside the point, he failed to reform judaism and get it to accept his editorializing of their faith, but you would postulate that he still believed what he said and in what he did, which is all that matters and all that makes the two things different. unless of course you think he didnt believe in his own divinity, which is entirely possible if you think he was just a man and not the son of god. trust me, there's some reasoning in there somewhere, even if i rambled a bit.

indeed, i doubt he thought he was the son of g-d....reading his words, a person gets the idea that he was a very sensible guy. kind of a dreamer that surrounded himself with other dreamers.

all the actual "christianity" flavor comes from paul.

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so much for the complaint that mods are lazy here. drop the hammer james.

wow, best not say anything here incase james bans you

Yeah, dude, it's getting harder and harder to be a racist psycho in this world, isn't it?

wow, best not say anything here incase james bans you

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