Exactly how friction-sensitive is Acetone Peroxide?

Its called the Mother of Satan, ain't it?

Incredibly Unstable molecule that one. Just blow it with wind and it will explode.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/Acetone-peroxide-trimer-3D-balls.png/250px-Acetone-peroxide-trimer-3D-balls.png

All those oxygens on it will oxidize the carbon very readily so be careful! Also if you do have it. Detonate it cause it is a bomb in effect. It is rumored that the london subway bombers used it. Just dont detonate it in front of your face, hand, etc.

Incredibly Unstable molecule that one. Just blow it with wind and it will explode.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/Acetone-peroxide-trimer-3D-balls.png/250px-Acetone-peroxide-trimer-3D-balls.png

All those oxygens on it will oxidize the carbon very readily so be careful! Also if you do have it. Detonate it cause it is a bomb in effect. It is rumored that the london subway bombers used it. Just dont detonate it in front of your face, hand, etc.

Woulod it blow up in my hands if I tried to make a pipebomb(for exmple) out of it?

Woulod it blow up in my hands if I tried to make a pipebomb(for exmple) out of it?

Thats probobly not a good idea for an example.

Woulod it blow up in my hands if I tried to make a pipebomb(for exmple) out of it?

yes, absolutley. I bet it would explode even when you poured it into the thing, and especially when you were carrying it. Military grade Acetone Peroxide does not explode with the slightest movement or vibration, but no one knows how to make it that way, because the Military wont let the recipie out. For good reason too, as the unstasble compound is easy to make. Besides, I highly doubt the military would use it anymore anyways. It's just too unstable.

Most pipebombs detonate when you screw then end on.

Exactly how friction-sensitive is Acetone Peroxide?Can't answer so will ask question of my own:

Back many years ago at Cornell, some chemically wise guy in my Freshman dorm made some crystals that exploded in the hall when stepped upon. (They were purple as I recall.) What were they? - I think it was some peroxide. - You thought twice before going to the bathroom in middle of the night and if going, looked carefully where you stepped.

Don't try messing with it unless you have a death wish.

Woulod it blow up in my hands if I tried to make a pipebomb(for exmple) out of it?

Please don't go and create another Columbine, Colorado.

Can't answer so will ask question of my own:

Back many years ago at Cornell, some chemically wise guy in my Freshman dorm made some crystals that exploded in the hall when stepped upon. (They were purple as I recall.) What were they? - I think it was some peroxide. - You thought twice before going to the bathroom in middle of the night and if going, looked carefully where you stepped.

That was Nitrogen Triiodide, a highly explosive compund, much like Acetone Peroxide.
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en-commons/thumb/a/a7/150px-Nitrogen-triiodide-3D-vdW.png
However, it is less easily detonated. But stepping on it would definatley cause detonation. Anyways, it's dangerous, as it realeases Iodine vapour after it explodes. Did you know that is is the ONLY explosive that detonates when exposed to Alpha particles or nuclear fission products. The main thing here is, DON'T BREATHE THE GAS! You stand a good chance of dying. If this person you know re-creates it, report him. That compound is simlpy to dangerous in larger quantities. No I will not tell anyone how to synthesize it with household chemicals. This, unlike gunpowder and raw acetone peroxide,this can be used to make a very dangerous bomb.

On a lighter note, here's a video of it:
http://www.webelements.com/webelements/elements/media/moov/NI3.mov

That was Nitrogen Triiodide, a highly explosive compund, much like Acetone Peroxide. ...Thanks for the infromation and video. Now that you have named it I remember it was some iodide, so I am sure you are correct. The crystals were smaller than head of paper match, so I never notice or worried about iodine gas release. Now that you tell me of this danger, I am starting to wonder about a product that is sold here in Brazil for kids to play with. At most kid's birthday parties (usually held in facility designed for that with rides cokes video games etc. not the home) some kid will have some and be throwing them down on the floor. Next time I see that I will ask to see the box to try to learn what compound it is. - It may be NI3 - Whatever it is it seems to be legal - no one pays much atention, but I do not like some 7 year old throwing impact explosives around.

Although there does not seem to be any law about this, Brazil has all sorts of silly regulations, I think, often to force public to buy some one's product or service. (Kick backs to legislators work wonders.)

One, for example, requires you to have and annually trade in (exchange) a small fire extingisher in your car. I do not do this. - I have had same one for 12 years with pressure gage still in the green zone. I have taken the precausion to have scratched the date sticker on it so badly that it can not be read. I am hoping that the law failed to require you keep the date sicker legible, or at least the fine is less, and will claim I just bought it a few months ago, if stopped for inspection. (I know how to say, in Portugese: "See, the needle is in the green.")

Last time I was stopped I did not have car's ownership papers, (they differ from the annual registration papers.), with me but giving the cop R$50 to hold "as security while I drove home to get them" was OK - sure hope he is not waiting for my return - that was about 7 years ago! This seemed to be a standard proceedure and the cops are underpaid for the dangerous job they do. - Constant war between them and the drug dealers with many killed on both sides, but usually only in agreed upon areas. Sort of like the "civilized war" all practiced 300 years ago - "Next Saturday at 2PM in the west favela, agreed?" Both groups infiltrate the other so both know when the war will break out again.

Brazil is very interesting place to live, but "When in Rome, do as the Romans do" surely applies.

Ah, fond memories. A little confession. Back in high school, I and a couple of buddies made two or three batches of nitrogen triiodide. And no, I won't tell how either because a bright 5 year old could make the stuff given the right chemicals, which are in any high school chem lab. As mentioned, it is unbelievably unstable (when dry). I've seen small quantities spontaneously detonate (comic ray or stray alpha perhaps?). Interestingly, when wet it's relatively stable.

Anyway, specks as small as a single grain of salt give an audible report. Nasty stuff. Toxic vapor _and_ bad chemical burns if you get careless.

You can really rattle the substitute science teacher though. ;) Part of my ill spent youth.

yes, absolutley. I bet it would explode even when you poured it into the thing, and especially when you were carrying it. Military grade Acetone Peroxide does not explode with the slightest movement or vibration, but no one knows how to make it that way, because the Military wont let the recipie out. For good reason too, as the unstasble compound is easy to make. Besides, I highly doubt the military would use it anymore anyways. It's just too unstable.
probably by the same method used to make nitroglycerin safe to handle and transport.

As far as NI_{3} goes, here is another video: http://jchemed.chem.wisc.edu/jcesoft/cca/cca0/MOVIES/NI3IOD.html

Question: if this chemical is so sensitive to touch, how exactly can they put this stuff on a board to detonate it later on without it going off prematurely? Further, how can one even transport this stuff??

yes, absolutley. I bet it would explode even when you poured it into the thing, and especially when you were carrying it. Military grade Acetone Peroxide does not explode with the slightest movement or vibration, but no one knows how to make it that way, because the Military wont let the recipie out. For good reason too, as the unstasble compound is easy to make. Besides, I highly doubt the military would use it anymore anyways. It's just too unstable.

So in other words, it's useless?

As far as NI_{3} goes, here is another video: http://jchemed.chem.wisc.edu/jcesoft/cca/cca0/MOVIES/NI3IOD.html

Question: if this chemical is so sensitive to touch, how exactly can they put this stuff on a board to detonate it later on without it going off prematurely? Further, how can one even transport this stuff??

As I posted earlier, as long as it's wet (saturated with H2O) it's no problem. If even one speck dries out, _big_ problem.

As I posted earlier, as long as it's wet (saturated with H2O) it's no problem. If even one speck dries out, _big_ problem.

Oh ok. I found information about how to prepare nitrogen triodide. It does mention that when you filter the solution with NI_3 in it, you must move it to where you want immediately. Failing to do so and you could hurt yourself.

Most pipebombs detonate when you screw then end on.

not if you clean the threads with an oily rag first. it wil remove most explovise shavings and it will contain and smaller ones within the oil so that they cant spark.

So in other words, it's useless?


yes, I dont know how you can make it stable for bit, but i'm guessing to get it out fo that "stable" state, you just heat it up.

As for the Nitrogen Triiodide, yes, thats how you make it safe, is by soaking it in water, then to make the explosion you heat it up, I would assume thats how they made the bomb.

probably by the same method used to make nitroglycerin safe to handle and transport.

Are you familar with theis process? I would be interested. Not for bomb making mind you, just curious.

Billy T,

If it is just a small grain size peice, I wouldnt be to worried. The gas produced shouldnt be to bad, Still though, I would be interested to know what they put in it to keep the box it comes in from exploding.

...Billy T, If it is just a small grain size peice, I wouldnt be to worried. The gas produced shouldnt be to bad, Still though, I would be interested to know what they put in it to keep the box it comes in from exploding.They are wrapped in soft paper. I think with a twist to hold by but not certain of that. No one seems concerned they will expode in child's hand, but here in Brazil the set off fire crackers in large crowds so that is not too suprising.

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but if it is set off by the touch of a feather, as the video shows, then how can soft paper do the trick? :shrug:

(and yes I am new here, as some of you may see by my post count. I was recommended by Positron, btw. I don't know what I am talking about sometimes, so feel free to correct me. And that's sort of why I joined, to learn stuff...about stuff...and stuff)

whoops sorry about the double post, my computer must have been acting up and not showed my 1st post when I refreshed the page.

They are wrapped in soft paper. I think with a twist to hold by but not certain of that. No one seems concerned they will expode in child's hand, but here in Brazil the set off fire crackers in large crowds so that is not too suprising.

it could be impure or something? i really don't know but they might have found a way to stabilize it.

Seems like I've heard of those "throw crackers" before, and iirc they don't use anything exotic like NI3. Possibly just common gunpowder (black powder). The trick I believe is that the explosive is mixed with sand or some other type of grit so that on impact the internal friction sets it off.

Seems like I've heard of those "throw crackers" before, and iirc they don't use anything exotic like NI3. Possibly just common gunpowder (black powder). The trick I believe is that the explosive is mixed with sand or some other type of grit so that on impact the internal friction sets it off.

that makes sense.

it could be impure or something? i really don't know but they might have found a way to stabilize it.

well maybe you should find out.:D

Seems like I've heard of those "throw crackers" before, and iirc they don't use anything exotic like NI3. Possibly just common gunpowder (black powder). The trick I believe is that the explosive is mixed with sand or some other type of grit so that on impact the internal friction sets it off.

http://www.funnfrolic.co.uk/party-store/index.php/Joke-Devil-Bangers-Fun-Snaps-50-in-a-pack-p-3400.html

These things. They contain silver fulminate apparently. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_fulminate

We used to (carefully) unwrap a few packets worth and pour the grains into something larger as kids, to make much larger bangers with them.

...We used to (carefully) unwrap a few packets worth and pour the grains into something larger as kids, to make much larger bangers with them.never did that, but with 1 inch pipe hammered shut at one end and one small firecracker (lady fingers we called them - come in packs with about 40 with fuzes all twisted together) and a marble we made good cannons. The lady finger hung, by bent fuze, just inside inside the open end of pipe and kept marble from falling down to bottom of pipe until the lit fuze burned past the end and both fell to the closed bottom end of pipe for a second or so. Usually shot into lake so could see how far the marble would go. I had initial advantage as I knew slightly less than 45 degree angle was best.

Thanks phonetic, I was pretty sure it wasn't NI3 but I had forgotten about fulminate compounds.

...this thread has a potential to be used by terrorists. Has London not had enough?

Actually, the compounds being discussed are so unstable that only a complete moron would try to make more than a gram or so. Useless for anything other than a parlor trick. It would be a good thing if terrorists tried these. Ever hear of the Darwin Awards. ;)

...this thread has a potential to be used by terrorists. Has London not had enough?

Well, Wehavent said a rpocess for making anything but gunpowder, and thats common knowledge. I hope they try to make Acetone Peroxide, as they will blow up. Nitrogen Triiodide also, BOOM!

Actually, the compounds being discussed are so unstable that only a complete moron would try to make more than a gram or so. Useless for anything other than a parlor trick. It would be a good thing if terrorists tried these. Ever hear of the Darwin Awards. ;) If this was a try for nomination, (Warning the terrorist like that) remember you need also to die to qualify (or if male lose your testicles).:D

Well, I was really trying to warn off any foolhardy youngsters, and also reassure dragon that this thread is harmless. Although maybe I should have been quiet. I find the thought of some terrorist blowing himself, his buddies, and his own house into brown iodine stained smitherines oddly satisfying. :)

Actually, the compounds being discussed are so unstable that only a complete moron would try to make more than a gram or so. Useless for anything other than a parlor trick. It would be a good thing if terrorists tried these. Ever hear of the Darwin Awards. ;)

I've heard of the Darwin Awards!!:D

I didn't get one...

How many of you idiots have actually made this? Your all full of crap, Acetone Peroxide is NO WHERE NEAR as sensitive as it's made out to be, all of the myths and other folklore surrounding it are made up by pathetic mothers who have nothing better to do than whine and moan all day. It takes a huge amount of effort to detonate AP under friction pressure, when it has the slightest amount of moisture in it, and even when it doesn't, you can press it to quite a point before it explodes, it's no different to the gasoline in your cars fuel tank, if you put a spark in there it will go bang, otherwise, it's safe.

So stop fucking filling the internet with worthless information and warnings, spoiling the fun for everyone, your all wannabes, and thats the sad part.

^ How do we know you are telling the truth?

You don't, but if you don't believe me then go make it with a bomb-suit on, and see for yourself. When it's wet it takes a large hammer blow to set it off, sometimes that doesn't even do it, but when it's dry it's no more sensitive than crushed match head powder. Yes it's combustable, and has a higher detonation velocity than most things, but unless your unlucky enough to get a static spark on it(how many times does this happen.. none), or retarded enough to light it or smash it then you will be fine. My friends and i have handled AP for years with no problems whatsoever, i encourage anyone to make it, because its so much fun to detonate and watch, if you have no common sense then don't make anything, but otherwise, the essence of chemistry is to explore and see, and produce, not sit around and cry about how it's so dangerous to make things, when none of you idiots has even attempted to make it before.

:bawl: :bawl: Keep crying pussies, let us have all the fun then. Otherwise, back your info up with cold hard facts, not lame ostentatious attempts to look good.

I think you're lying.

You don't, but if you don't believe me then go make it with a bomb-suit on, and see for yourself.........

:bawl: :bawl: Keep crying pussies, let us have all the fun then. Otherwise, back your info up with cold hard facts, not lame ostentatious attempts to look good.

I would, but my bomb suit is getting old now. I need a new one. This one looks dandy.
http://www.global-security-solutions.com/BombSuit2_files/image002.jpg

:bawl: :bawl: Keep crying pussies

And this is a good project if you have a spare evening or two.
http://home.earthlink.net/~enigmaep/annihilation/buildabomb.html