Star Wars vs Star Trek

Terminator weapons, from a universe you've never heard of. They fire 1,000 bolts per second.

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[QUOTE=ricrery;2508261]Terminator weapons, from a universe you've never heard of. They fire 1,000 bolts per second.

[url=http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=121975]Bolts are this powerful[/url][/QUOTE]

i'll read it later after I finish watching some Get Smart episodes ;)

well from the little I read at the beginning, it reminds of something similar that the American navy uses. It fires I don't how many projectiles, creating a wall of bullets that will stop incoming missles.....

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnHyEhS1lSM]This is a bolt[/url]

[QUOTE=ricrery;2508272][url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnHyEhS1lSM]This is a bolt[/url][/QUOTE]

ah, so I was right. It's a complex bullet.
But of course projectiles can't penetrate ST shields or any other kind of shield for that matter. Also, the only reason bullets can damage the Borg, is because those personal shields don't protect a person the way ship shields do. There's evidence of that in one of the series (ST). In Stargate we can see that even a ship could impact with another ship with raised shields but it doesn't go through. (It just puts a lot of stress on a ST ship). (Goa'ould ships aren't affected by that kind of impact). Bullets wouldn't do much either (to ST shields).
Also in Stargate projectiles (bullets OR missles) have proven inneffective against personal shields. Let alone a ship (in SG - where they tried using naquada enhanced warheads, they proved ineffective). The SGC had created better projectiles with Trininum tips and even THOSE couldn't get past personal shields. The only thing that COULD pass through personal shields, for instance, is a slower projectile (an arrow, or knife etc). It has to do with the kinetics of the technology.

It's kinetic power is easily in the megawatts, multiply that by 1000 per second, it comes to gigawatts, fire for a minute, and it's easily in the terawatts. ;)

Stargate shields probably wouldn't fare well against Hellfire Missiles which teleport through shields and detonate inside with the kinetic power of 610 gigatons. There's also low level petaton laser weapons like Lances.

[QUOTE=ricrery;2508298]It's kinetic power is easily in the megawatts, multiply that by 1000 per second, it comes to gigawatts, fire for a minute, and it's easily in the terawatts. ;)[/QUOTE]

Your mixing up your terms/meanings...Kinetics (κίνησις: movement or move) In physics it has to do with the relationship between the motion of bodies and its causes.

[QUOTE=ricrery;2508298]
Stargate shields probably wouldn't fare well against Hellfire Missiles which teleport through shields and detonate inside with the kinetic power of 610 gigatons. There's also low level petaton laser weapons like Lances.[/QUOTE]

Hellfire missles don't do anything.
The damage can be done WITHIN. As it's been shown in Stargate SG1 where they were able to use hyperspace windows (with an earth glider) to get passed Anubis' shields....and THEN damage the ship.

Well, it's still ludicrously powerful. Just bringing in their high level megaton-low level gigaton Volcano Cannon is pointless.

also, the Ori (through their mortal counterparts) gave ideas to the soldiers to build ships that could penetrate Goa'ould shields (and other ships). Of course after the final upgrades done by the Asgard, before they commited mass suicide, showed that they could withstand the shots from an Ori ship. Previously, any weapons were ineffective against the Ori shields. Only after the upgrades (as I mentioned) were the beams able to penetrate the Ori shields with no problem. :)

Asgard vs Culture. I see this is a stomp.

[QUOTE=ricrery;2508327]Asgard vs Culture. I see this is a stomp.[/QUOTE]

Now the keepers of all the knowledge of the Asgard are the Tau'ri (earth humans). And I must say the Asgard, of our system, if they were still alive, would be impressed with the way the Tau'ri have handled things so far ;)
Of course, in the Pegasus galaxy, we learned, later on, that there were other Asgard there who survived (and were able to stave off their genetic degredation). But, because they were few, and their resources were also few, they didn't have the means to build technology like their earth system counterparts........

What? :p

[QUOTE=ricrery;2508353]What? :p[/QUOTE]

I know, even that is a lot of information. :p

You should start watching Stargate from the beginning.
I'm sure you'll enjoy it. :)

What about Culture beating Asgard?

[QUOTE=ricrery;2508353]What? :p[/QUOTE]

I know, even that is a lot of information. :p And without knowing all the rest, it'll be hard for you to follow.

You should start watching Stargate from the beginning. (Stargate SG1, Stargate Atlantis, and now Stargate Universe.)
I'm sure you'll enjoy it. :)

Culture are uber [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Culture#science_and_technology]advanced[/url]

[QUOTE=ricrery;2508382]Culture are uber [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Culture#science_and_technology]advanced[/url][/QUOTE]

well the stuff about death is basically what the Asgard did. With the Asgard, the science of cloning was more realistic. Which is why they had genetic degredation (copies of a copy degrades the genetic material etc, which is not mentioned in Culture books). In the Culture books, Banks doesn't make the science realistic. He makes it up, as he said himself:

"Banks has evolved a (self-confessedly) technobabble system of theoretical physics to describe the ships' acceleration and travel, using such concepts as 'infraspace' and 'ultraspace' and an 'energy grid' between universes (from which the warp engines 'push off' to achieve momentum)."

Of course there are obvious copyright issues. Because he uses ideas from Star Trek.

And? Just like Star Trek used ideas from Doctor Who.

It's hilarious how much more advanced the Culture is from the Borg, Feds, Romulans... they also have Sublime.

[QUOTE=Apocalypse2001;2508287]ah, so I was right. It's a complex bullet.
But of course projectiles can't penetrate ST shields or any other kind of shield for that matter. Also, the only reason bullets can damage the Borg, is because those personal shields don't protect a person the way ship shields do. There's evidence of that in one of the series (ST). In Stargate we can see that even a ship could impact with another ship with raised shields but it doesn't go through. (It just puts a lot of stress on a ST ship). (Goa'ould ships aren't affected by that kind of impact). Bullets wouldn't do much either (to ST shields).
Also in Stargate projectiles (bullets OR missles) have proven inneffective against personal shields. Let alone a ship (in SG - where they tried using naquada enhanced warheads, they proved ineffective). The SGC had created better projectiles with Trininum tips and even THOSE couldn't get past personal shields. The only thing that COULD pass through personal shields, for instance, is a slower projectile (an arrow, or knife etc). It has to do with the kinetics of the technology.[/QUOTE]

It is theorized that the Borg only use energy shielding, not physical shielding as a starship would use - Federation Marines have been known to make use of full personal shields that protect against projectiles and even melee attacks though.

I don't really think WH40K would be as effective against Trek as you think... mostly because of the speeds of engagements. IIRC, WH40K combat is entirely sublight and often sub-mach - I mean, projectile weapons (which their main siege weapons are) are restricted to slower-than-light weapons, are they not?