Nexarc, the Federation can't destroy a planet, they can only kill its life, and that's no impressive feat because, the Galactic Empire, the Imperium of Man, and the Covenant do it frequently.
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Nexarc, the Federation can't destroy a planet, they can only kill its life, and that's no impressive feat because, the Galactic Empire, the Imperium of Man, and the Covenant do it frequently.
[QUOTE=ricrery;2499028]Xeelee easily. They own the black holes in galaxies, so, while the Irkens are just sitting there with WEAK ASS SHIPS, the Xeelee would be altering their galaxies to collide with one another, pissing themselves in the process, or they could time travel back before the Irkens came into existence and destroy the entire galaxy they were in fire sh!ts and giggles, or they can just send in ships the Irkens can't scratch and destroy their star systems. They can also trap them in a TIME LOOP so they never progress in history, and repeat the same things over and over through time.
Next the Daleks, they perfected time travel, created hundreds of millions of solar system busting ships with the ability to destroy said systems in numerous ways (supernova, turning the system into atoms etc.), next, they have the Time Vortex and can become vengeful gods and kill all the Irken. They are also more psychotic with hate of every living thing but themselves. Did I mention they created the reality bomb in a few months and stole planets from times (like Pyrovilia in 79 AD and the fat nursing planet in 2009 AD).
Next the Time Lords, they created several universe destroying artifacts, they perfected teleportation before the universe was half their size, and they also trapped civilizations in time loops. There were also individual Time Lords capable of conquering and destroying the universe. Their civilian ships could move around black holes and detonate stars and move stars/planets, with zero strain.
More like the Irvens have 0% for Xeelee, 0% for Daleks, 0% for Time Lords. DALEKS ARE SUPREME IRKEN ARE WEAK![/QUOTE]
Is this a missfire from another thread or a random response to ProfitofWisdom's post?
[QUOTE=ricrery;2499029]Nexarc, the Federation can't destroy a planet, they can only kill its life, and that's no impressive feat because, the Galactic Empire, the Imperium of Man, and the Covenant do it frequently.[/QUOTE]
They would never want to kill all life let alone destroy a planet. It is not in their nature. If they had to though, the Federation may not be able to destroy a planet directly without severe and heavy modification of an existing ship or building a dedicated vessel to the job. However, a trilithium warhead could destroy the entire starsystem when shot into the host star. Or even producing red matter again to create black holes.
ProphetofWisdoms post.
Like the Empire can use the Sun Crusher to counter the trilithium warheads which rarely have been seen?
[QUOTE=ricrery;2499028]Xeelee easily. They own the black holes in galaxies, so, while the Irkens are just sitting there with WEAK ASS SHIPS, the Xeelee would be altering their galaxies to collide with one another, pissing themselves in the process, or they could time travel back before the Irkens came into existence and destroy the entire galaxy they were in fire sh!ts and giggles, or they can just send in ships the Irkens can't scratch and destroy their star systems. They can also trap them in a TIME LOOP so they never progress in history, and repeat the same things over and over through time.
Next the Daleks, they perfected time travel, created hundreds of millions of solar system busting ships with the ability to destroy said systems in numerous ways (supernova, turning the system into atoms etc.), next, they have the Time Vortex and can become vengeful gods and kill all the Irken. They are also more psychotic with hate of every living thing but themselves. Did I mention they created the reality bomb in a few months and stole planets from times (like Pyrovilia in 79 AD and the fat nursing planet in 2009 AD).
Next the Time Lords, they created several universe destroying artifacts, they perfected teleportation before the universe was half their size, and they also trapped civilizations in time loops. There were also individual Time Lords capable of conquering and destroying the universe. Their civilian ships could move around black holes and detonate stars and move stars/planets, with zero strain.
More like the Irvens have 0% for Xeelee, 0% for Daleks, 0% for Time Lords. DALEKS ARE SUPREME IRKEN ARE WEAK![/QUOTE]
Super nova, destructions of galaxies do nothing but tick the Irkens off and make them continue building more ships with their energy-matter conversion tech. The fact is that Irkens without any armor can survive Teraton level attacks, and their normal ships have hundreds of Exatons firepower with a rapid refire rate, and [I]The Massive[/I] using one of the higher sizes for it is is the hundreds of Yottatons. They can slow down time to create slowly exploding explosions of doom that can take out massive cities.
The fact is, normal Irkens lose hard without some help. That is where making the Irkens competent give them a chance to fight back. Plus if they were to get their hands on the tech of either of the other powers which is very possible then the Irkens crubstomp the others with a 90% chance of victory.
You continue to be a fanboy yourself by not admiting the Irkens may stand a chance with competence + captured tech. You are fool to continue on this without atleast admiting that if made competent they stand a chance, with captured tech are almost sure to win, but may stll lose.
Not only that, but he talks about how they could become god-type beings which would therefore make them weaker then the Irkens if they [B]had[/B] to resort it. I agree with him normal acting Irkens lose hard, but he won't agree with the other points I have made that give them a chance.
[QUOTE]Is this a missfire from another thread or a random response to ProfitofWisdom's post? [/QUOTE]
From the now derailed Forerunners appear in SW thread. Eh, I just did my now normal yelling about taking over nearly everything with the Irken Empire and he won't admit that the Irkens may stand a chance against the powers he just mentioned if given some prep time and other things I just metioned.
And I'm still looking for a clip on youtube of the RoTJ scene, should have it soon I think.
Also, NDF is Nuclear Disruption Force and DET is Direct Energy Transfer IIRC.
The Phasers are mainly technobabble and use the NDF effect to do something with less energy then it would normal take with DET.
[QUOTE=ricrery;2499034]Like the Empire can use the Sun Crusher to counter the trilithium warheads which rarely have been seen?[/QUOTE]
I'm not exactly sure on how the warheads would mutually cancel each other out, but trilithium weapons, though rare, were used in DS9 when the allies had to destroy a Dominion shipyard orbiting a star.
[QUOTE=ProphetofWisdom;2499036 I'm still looking for a clip on youtube of the RoTJ scene, should have it soon I think.
Also, NDF is Nuclear Disruption Force and DET is Direct Energy Transfer IIRC.
The Phasers are mainly technobabble and use the NDF effect to do something with less energy then it would normal take with DET.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the info, needed the reminder.
I'll be back in a few hours. It is very late where I am and I need to get to bed. :yawn:
Actually ProphetofWisdom, maybe it would go like this:
Xeelee vs Irkens
0% for incompetents
10% for competents
25% for reverse engineered tech (they'd still be behind because Xeelee tech is different from one another)
Daleks vs Irken
0% for incompetents
20% for competents
50% for reverse engineering
Time Lords vs Irken
0% for competents
5% for competents (have you seen what the Master did with one year prep?)
40% for reverse engineering.
Congratulations, they still most don't have an advantage. Plus, if Culture reverse engineered the Irken technology, the Irkens would be destroyed.
[QUOTE=ricrery;2498975]Oh these Trektards make me laugh, even though the Death Star blast had the firepower of 1E38 Joules: [url]http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tech/Beam/Alderaan.html[/url] and yet the "Half the power of the fleet" statement states that the fleet does over twice what it takes to be a Type 3 civilization, then why the fuck is it weaker? Star Trek is Type 1 like it or not. Plus, ICS is a REFERENCE book or G-Canon, made DIRECTLY for the movies.
Nexarc, you are stupid to believe your sites are unbiased? I bet you are such a fanboy you [url=http://www.starfleetjedi.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=678&sid=c10f2e6e86b1632fa264954e22df1203]think the Federation of Planets can compete with the Culture [/url]
It seems that Star Wars fans aren't delusional fanboys, you're the idiots who refuse to admit the Federation of Planets loses to Culture or the Borg loses to the Xeelee, you're the mindless fools who can't accept Star Trek is weak. So NO! Stardestroyer.net is NOT biased, and Starfleetjedi.com IS! That's how ignorant and fanboyish you Trektards are.[/QUOTE]
Rice, support that 1E38 Joule statement with anything, and I'll believe it. Show me ANY one piece of hard evidence.
Don't say "it blew up a planet" - Species 8472 did that with 8 frigates... Star Trek can form sub-space rifts that rip things out of the universe... hell, Trek can destroy entire SOLAR SYSTEMS with a single torpedo (granted, it uses a star to do so, but generally inhabited worlds are around stars... ya know?)
Blowing up a planet is nothing special...
[QUOTE=ricrery;2499034]ProphetofWisdoms post.
Like the Empire can use the Sun Crusher to counter the trilithium warheads which rarely have been seen?[/QUOTE]
Buh wha? How the fuck do you expect the Sun Crusher to counter the Trilithium Warhead...? What, blow up the star before the warhead impacts it? Great, you just did half our job for us... without your star, your solar system will fall (literally) apart as gravity no longer binds the orbits of the planets together... good fucking job...
how old are you again?
I also notice - there was not ONE thing stated that:
A - showed how even basic starship Phasers wouldn't simply obliterate enemy armor due to breaking the nuclear bonds of the armor material
B - showed how a transphasic torpedo would phase thru the shields of the death star and obliterate it via the thermal exhaust port
C - SW had any chance in hell of hitting ships moving around the DS at warp
Kittamaru you fanboist fool! Did you even look at that calculation? Maybe you should learn what clicking is? Idiot.
Species 8472 used NDF, you incompetent dumbass! Not RAW FIREPOWER, how stupid are you people? If you use a match to destroy a box, is it equivalent to using a grenade to destroy a box? NO! Idiots... dumbasses! 8472 is NO match a normal Acclamator which does 200 gigatons on turbolasers.
Hey dumbass, I was referring to the fact it could do the same thing to Star Trek systems, OR DID YOU FORGET WHAT ITS NAME SUGGESTS? Plus, it can take a supernova, or a Death Star blast, and NOTHING in Star Trek can match that, UNDERSTAND TREKTARD? [b]Nothing can match that[/b]
Did we forget to remind you?
A- The Star Wars civilization has been around for 25,000 years
B- Star Wars ships are stated to do petatons by a man with a Ph.D, OR someone with more knowledge than tards like Trektards who think the Federation of Planets can beat Culture or Xeelee, or Borg can beat Daleks...
C- Star Wars wouldn't even have to fight them, considering they would scratch the paint at best, if it manages to affect the shields XD.
D- Star Trek tards don't know shit about how weak Star Trek is compared to other civilizations.
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B - showed how a transphasic torpedo would phase thru the shields of the death star and obliterate it via the thermal exhaust port[/QUOTE]
And if we assume both sides are competent why would the Death Star still have the exhaust port and not be slightly upgrade to be like what the second one would be?
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Hey dumbass, I was referring to the fact it could do the same thing to Star Trek systems, OR DID YOU FORGET WHAT ITS NAME SUGGESTS? Plus, it can take a supernova, or a Death Star blast, and NOTHING in Star Trek can match that, UNDERSTAND TREKTARD? [b]Nothing can match that[/b][/QUOTE]
1. I recall the Sun Crusher having to run from the blast or be destroyed by the super nova, though I may be wrong on that part.
2. It took a glancing hit from the prototype Death Star and it was stated that a direct hit would have destroyed. This I am 95% on being correct, at least the glancing hit is.
Also, stop insulting people ricrery because it does nothing to help your position and harms your side.
[QUOTE=Nexarc;2498943]I am getting tired of such predictable antics. First, SW fans claim or the superiority of their tech just because they say so. Then ST fans come up with evidence that disproves most of the claims. SW then turn to either the Incredible Cross Section books or Wong's SD.net propaganda as conclusive evidence. However ST fans then point out the flaws in the calculations, and correct them. With no room to go to, Warsies either become repetative and restate their claims and/or become hostile; using death threats or bullying in an attempt to force ST fans into submission. It was such lunacy that made me switch over to ST. I have no problems accepting SW as superior ONLY IF you can supply concrete and difinitive evidence.[/QUOTE]
no we don't,i don't care about Wong or his site!
Incredible Cross Section is cannon,and more acurate than the entire star
trek franchise.
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I may not be able to make my own calculations, but I can check and confirm others. SD.net has terribly flawed math, using the best of Wars (like destroying pure iron asteroids 50m across) and the worst of Trek (such as using the density of WATER for starship hulls). If going off site, try using more unbiased calculations such as those on st-vs-sw.net or Starfleet Jedi. They have areas where Wars is superior, and others where Trek is. Never give numbers for evidence unless you have some other evidence to back up your claims.[/QUOTE]
I HAVE!you just don't want to listen!
[QUOTE=Kittamaru;2498945]George, I have to ask... how old are you?
[/QUOTE] as always,you trekkie nerds don't even bother read my other posts.
i said many times that i am 16,17 in April! i never hided it!
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And Ricery - nobody is claiming they can't bombard a planet... hell, we can do that TODAY. It's, honestly, nothing special. [/QUOTE]
we can bombard a planet??
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The problem is, you are trying to compare B-52 Bombers (Star Wars) with F/A-18 Super Hornets (Star Trek). Yes, Trek may be smaller, carry less overall firepower, and be able to take fewer hits from similar-scale weapons... however, their craft are a hundred times more efficient joule-for-joule in how they USE that energy.[/QUOTE]
no they are not,you just assume that!
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Example:
Star Wars weapons work on explosively decoupling the target on a macroscopic scale (in other words, a standard *BOOM* explosion)
[/QUOTE] a turbolaser can desimtegrate the target at a molecular scale
because it is a energy-plasma weapon,with many megatons per shot!
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Star Trek Phasers work by decoupling the SUB ATOMIC BONDS of the targets hull... in other words, it doesn't really matter WHAT your ship is made of, save for a handful of highly-rare and highly-difficult to work with materials, that armor is going to come apart just the same.[/QUOTE]
oh really? last time i checked about phasers,all i found was how they were use,stupid history and nothing technical!
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Yes, the Death Star is big, bad, scary, and one hella mofo to fight that you DO NOT want to see on your door step.[/QUOTE]finally we agree!
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However, it was commanded by a crew so incompetent that I wager that a bunch of homo-erectus (prehistoric man) could have done a better job...
Not to mention it's a HUGE target... ever hear of lumping all your eggs in one basket?[/QUOTE]or not...how many time do i have to repeat myself:
THE DEATH STAR IS A FUNKING TECHNOLOGICAL MASTERPIECE!
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Here's how things would go down:
DS comes out of hyperspace on the edge of the Sol system (Earth system)
As it (slowly) moves towards Earth to get in range of it's superlaser, it is under constant scruitiny by every sensor available, from Jupiter Station to starships screaming past at just below warp one sensors at maximum resolution.
Within minutes, a weakness (the exhaust port) is found.
One trans-phasic torpedo later, and the DS is a rapidly expanding cloud of debris.[/QUOTE]
HAHAHA,you obviously don't know!
let me clear this for you:the the exhaust port is shielded.
and the DS dose not need to came out of hyperspace AT THE EDGE OF THE
SYSTEM,it,like any other SW thing equipped with hyperdrive,can come out
just half the distance between the moon and Earth.and then BOOM!
By by!
[QUOTE=ProphetofWisdom;2498988]Irken Empire supported Nitpick: The Federation and most other ST powers are high-low Type 2.
[/QUOTE] Type 3 is hundred of thousands more advance!
[QUOTE=Nexarc;2499019]First I believe that the Republic/Empire is roughly a middle or high class 2 civilization. They can't be Class 3 as Class 3 means that they can control all energy that a galaxy contains. In all EU sources, there is an unknown/uncharted region that fills between 40 to 60 percent of the GFFA. Thus, the Republic and the Empire can't be Class 3 as they don't control the entire galaxy.[/QUOTE]
they do control the entire galaxy,but they don't need to take ALL the energy of the fucking galaxy!it's way more than they will ever need!
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Next, give me an example that supports those huge output numbers. I don't care who gave them, what matters is that you can prove to us that those are correct.[/QUOTE]read the other posts!
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Finally, we use reasoning to determine the capabilities of the Borg. The Federation has the capacity, but not the will power, to build planet-busters and we never claimed that they did. Phasers can kill MOST species. A simple hand phaser destroyed a several kilometer long pipeline and has constantly been shown to vaporise people when on maximum setting. Most of the time however, the phaser is only set to stun as the Feds are against murder of sentient beings in any form.[/QUOTE]this is feting nowhere!
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Trekkies and Trekkers speculate, but rarely lie. As far as I have seen, there has been vary little lying in the 800+ pages on this board, most of it coming from younger or naive fanboys/girls who barely know either franchise.
Restrain yourself of your own claims unless you show proof. You're the one being the fanboy by swearing and calling names.[/QUOTE]
i do have proof,but you don't want to take it!
[QUOTE=Kittamaru;2499048]Rice, support that 1E38 Joule statement with anything, and I'll believe it. Show me ANY one piece of hard evidence.[/QUOTE]
well,Alderaan blowing up!
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Don't say "it blew up a planet" - Species 8472 did that with 8 frigates... Star Trek can form sub-space rifts that rip things out of the universe... hell, Trek can destroy entire SOLAR SYSTEMS with a single torpedo (granted, it uses a star to do so, but generally inhabited worlds are around stars... ya know?)
[/QUOTE] as i said time and time again,the death star was huge because it
needed to travel across the galaxy,destroy a planet (many with planetary shields)recharge in less than day,then star over again!
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Blowing up a planet is nothing special...[/QUOTE]
yes,it is nothing special,especial for the star wars galaxy.
they had thousands of recorded planetary destruction,it was quite common!
[QUOTE=ricrery;2499028]Xeelee easily. They own the black holes in galaxies, so, while the Irkens are just sitting there with WEAK ASS SHIPS, the Xeelee would be altering their galaxies to collide with one another, pissing themselves in the process, or they could time travel back before the Irkens came into existence and destroy the entire galaxy they were in fire sh!ts and giggles, or they can just send in ships the Irkens can't scratch and destroy their star systems. They can also trap them in a TIME LOOP so they never progress in history, and repeat the same things over and over through time.
Next the Daleks, they perfected time travel, created hundreds of millions of solar system busting ships with the ability to destroy said systems in numerous ways (supernova, turning the system into atoms etc.), next, they have the Time Vortex and can become vengeful gods and kill all the Irken. They are also more psychotic with hate of every living thing but themselves. Did I mention they created the reality bomb in a few months and stole planets from times (like Pyrovilia in 79 AD and the fat nursing planet in 2009 AD).
Next the Time Lords, they created several universe destroying artifacts, they perfected teleportation before the universe was half their size, and they also trapped civilizations in time loops. There were also individual Time Lords capable of conquering and destroying the universe. Their civilian ships could move around black holes and detonate stars and move stars/planets, with zero strain.
More like the Irvens have 0% for Xeelee, 0% for Daleks, 0% for Time Lords. DALEKS ARE SUPREME IRKEN ARE WEAK![/QUOTE]
please, for the love of God, refrain from childish comments, and second the teleportation tech only serves to prove that they are only copies of the Time Lords and not the original. That is the whole idea behind teleportation. It CANNOT reproduce someone/something as it was. It ends up being as copy. Nuff Said.