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[QUOTE=Saquist;1853092]That would be a wrong guess. The sensors of the transporter have been able to isolate unknown contagions but they were still unable to remove them.
recognition yes, removal no.[/QUOTE]
But there is no way that the Federation will know what they are for. they will just think " Oh, it is just another speices, it is not much ".
[QUOTE]Well you couldn't hit your target with either the Galaxy Gun or the Centerpoint weapon. Not in my estimation...[/QUOTE]
Yes you can, their blasts can both travel through hyperspace.
[QUOTE]Back before Episodes 1 throught 3 showed many of the abilites the Jedi's showed were exactly like powers seen in Star Trek. Telepathy, Telekensis, the power of persuasion. Yes your right on that issue. However as you know all that changed after the new movies. We were given details that made it clear that Trek has nothing like the force.[/QUOTE]
The Force is diffrent, but as I said they can still use their powers regardless. The only thing they need is to be force sensitive. What you are saying is " You can see in the dark even if you have a flashlight, because it have no light now. " Does that make sense to you no. Or if that make sense to you try this " You can't swim because you don't have fins. ".
[QUOTE]Star Wars tells us life in their Galaxy they can not exist without the midichlorians. Infact they consider the organisims intelligent. No such creatures exist in Star Trek and certainly life in trek is not dependent on these organisms. That is the defining difference.[/QUOTE]
Exactly, so that just proves my first point. The Federation will just ignore it because they will think they are just another species thats very very very close of humans.
[QUOTE]Will the lack of the organism prevent them from using the Force in our Galaxy...I doubt it. I think the Force is actually the Four Forces used as one or with some sort of limit.[/QUOTE]
Not the lack, zero orgainizms. So Homo Sapiens ( us ) will never learn the force. And it is Ashla ( Light Side ), Bogan ( Dark Side ), Unifying Force, Living Force.
[QUOTE]Also note that Luke Skywalker had the same exact midichlorian count as Anikan Skywalker at birth.[/QUOTE]
Anakin had more. George Lucas said so, he said Anakin was the chosen one, and the requirements are : To be the [B]only[/B] pure vessel of the Force.
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[QUOTE=SkywalkerJedi;1853041]
The Force can open the galactic barrier, thats what Outbound Flight is designed to do, open the barrier then explore other galaxies. They can do it.[/QUOTE]
Not only is that a large assumption SJ but it's never even happened in GFFA. So they can't do it. And the Barriers are not even the same.
GFFA's barrier is a hyperspace disturbance.
First and foremost...Star Wars couldn't simply fire these weapons through their own Barrier let alone get it past the Q barrier in the MilkyWay.
2nd it's unlikely that they could locate anything beyond the GFFA. The Vong had to travel the intergalactic void at sublight because they couldn't lock on any point in a target Galaxy from the outside. While this is a limitation of Vong tech, it is also the only example of GFFA ability which becomes a negative for the whole universe as a whole vs. the Trek universe.
[B]"They can do it"[/B] = a lie. They never have done it. If you knew about the 6 Jedi they planned on using in the Outbound Flight...they you also know they never got the chance to try.
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[QUOTE=SkywalkerJedi;1853119]But there is no way that the Federation will know what they are for. they will just think " Oh, it is just another speices, it is not much ".[/QUOTE]
It doesn't matter what "they're for".
Star Fleet Quarentine proceedures would apply. Star Fleet isn't as incompetent as imperial officers.
[QUOTE]Yes you can, their blasts can both travel through hyperspace.[/QUOTE]
Not beyond the Galaxy
[QUOTE]The Force is diffrent, but as I said they can still use their powers regardless. The only thing they need is to be force sensitive. What you are saying is " You can see in the dark even if you have a flashlight, because it have no light now. " Does that make sense to you no. Or if that make sense to you try this " You can't swim because you don't have fins. ".[/QUOTE]
I don't recall saying anything remotely similar to your summary.
[QUOTE]Exactly, so that just proves my first point. The Federation will just ignore it because they will think they are just another species thats very very very close of humans.[/QUOTE]
Quarentine....
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Anakin had more. George Lucas said so, he said Anakin was the chosen one, and the requirements are : To be the [B]only[/B] pure vessel of the Force.[/QUOTE]
I already know that Lucas said in an interview that they were the same. I'll produce my information provided by the wookipedia. But once again I will ask for yours as well. Prepare to provide.
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[QUOTE=Saquist;1853122]Not only is that a large assumption SJ but it's never even happened in GFFA. So they can't do it. And the Barriers are not even the same.
GFFA's barrier is a hyperspace disturbance.
First and foremost...Star Wars couldn't simply fire these weapons through their own Barrier let alone get it past the Q barrier in the MilkyWay.
2nd it's unlikely that they could locate anything beyond the GFFA. The Vong had to travel the intergalactic void at sublight because they couldn't lock on any point in a target Galaxy from the outside. While this is a limitation of Vong tech, it is also the only example of GFFA ability which becomes a negative for the whole universe as a whole vs. the Trek universe.[/QUOTE]
1. Galactic Federation of Free Alliances don't have a barrier ( Or are you talking about the Star Wars galaxy? )
2. Why not, name a reason they can't
3. They send small scout ships
4. Republic and CIS can take Klingons and Federation. And plus the Republic only had one chance to have a mission like Outbound Flight
[QUOTE][B]"They can do it"[/B] = a lie. They never have done it. If you knew about the 6 Jedi they planned on using in the Outbound Flight...they you also know they never got the chance to try.[/QUOTE]
Jorus C'baoth showed the Jedi Concil he can do it. And it is 18 Jedi not 6.
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[QUOTE=Saquist;1853136]It doesn't matter what "they're for".
Star Fleet Quarentine proceedures would apply. Star Fleet isn't as incompetent as imperial officers.[/QUOTE]
So when the Starfleet meet a new race, they Jail them? Wow, I never seen Voyager do that?
[QUOTE]Not beyond the Galaxy[/QUOTE]
Why not, please give be proof and reason.
[QUOTE]I don't recall saying anything remotely similar to your summary.[/QUOTE]
I mean yours, that is what your saying ( In another from ).
[QUOTE]Quarentine....[/QUOTE]
The Jedi just wait till he is fully examined.
[QUOTE]I already know that Lucas said in an interview that they were the same. I'll produce my information provided by the wookipedia. But once again I will ask for yours as well. Prepare to provide.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Chosen_One[/url]
I suggest you read the whole page.
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[QUOTE=USS Enterprise-B;1853057][FONT="Arial Black"][SIZE="7"]OH GOD!!! OH GOD!!!!!!! WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM? IF THEY DID EXIST ON STAR TREK, WE WOULD HAVE HEARD OF THEM BY NOW!!!![/SIZE][/FONT]
:roflmao::roflmao::roflmao:[/QUOTE]
Well, yes.
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Centerpoint Station can destroy Secotor 001 form Coruscant. They just sit back and watch the disaster. Or they make a giant fleet with the Star Forge and attack Earth. Ships armed with Omega Frost ( Designed to freeze anything that have moisture including troops ), Metallic Crystal Phase Shifter ( change any metallic objects into powder or cloth............), and Superlasers.
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[QUOTE=USS Enterprise-B;1853065]You have no proof that they exist in the ST universe!!!
If there were, we would know about them.[/QUOTE]
Depends on if they were a physical beaing or not actually. There are some questions as to that. After all we know from novelization that sensor probe droids could scan for force sensitive people. They do this without a physical scan. So the midichlorians could be energy based, partially phased, or just a simple symbiote that the Jedi Order put too much importance on. We'll never know. Now as the Aing-Ti were able to teach non-force sensitive how to tap the force, it seems likely that midichlorians may just be a general indicator.
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Star Trek people will NEVER learn the ways of the Force. They have absolute 0 midiclorians.
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[QUOTE=SkywalkerJedi;1853376]Star Trek people will NEVER learn the ways of the Force. They have absolute 0 midiclorians.[/QUOTE]
How do you know this? I never discount anything until canon tells me to.
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[QUOTE=TW Scott;1853394]How do you know this? I never discount anything until canon tells me to.[/QUOTE]
Star Trek humans have zero connection with the force, because they have zero midicorians per cell. If you have zero connection, it is like somebody used Server Force on you.
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[QUOTE]Wookiepedia
Midi-chlorians were intelligent[2] microscopic life-forms that served as organelles within all living cells, existing in a symbiotic relationship with the beings they inhabited[1][3] and comprising a collective consciousness amongst themselves.[2] Present in all life,[1] midi-chlorians were isomorphic on every world that supported life.[3] Midi-chlorians, in fact, were necessary for life to exist. They also allowed for a connection with the pervasive energy field known as the Force;[4] in sufficient numbers, midi-chlorians could allow their symbiont organism to detect the Force, and this connection could be strengthened by quieting one's mind,[1] allowing the midi-chlorians to "speak" to their symbiont and communicate the will of the Force.[/QUOTE]
Here you go some proof.
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[QUOTE=SkywalkerJedi;1852894][QUOTE=Saquist;1851851]
It is only a Starfighter, they are very vulnerable, but who would waste energy on charging the gravity well instead of laser cannons?
They will fight till they die or till reinforcements arrive. Once 1 ISD arrive the Galaxy will be dead ( or better run )
[COLOR="Red"]1 ISD would make a Galaxy class laugh, much less a modern combat class (Defiant, Sovereign, Prometheus, Nova)[/COLOR]
Because profession military men don't use that term, only average civilians do.
I said this before, the one that blew up an astroid is a long range tubolaser and I was wrong about it have the firepower of a medium turbolaser there is no medium turbolaser and long range turbolasers are only slightly stronger then light turbolaser ( or the same ). Anything below a quad turbolaser is junk ( that means light turbolasers and long range turbolaser ), so they are worthless. Also the didn't need to fire on the astorid, they did so because they want a clear communication ( remember they weren't using the holonet ). So you match Federation phaser jumk with Star Wars light turbolasers?
Slow as hell, but infantry can't regnerate shields.[/QUOTE]
And no, SC ARMOR doesn't regenerate... the shields sure as hell do
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[QUOTE=SkywalkerJedi;1852898]They will die if you remove the midicorians. Also in Anakin's case his midicorians will just grow right back, because he is the pure vessle of the force.[/QUOTE]
Fine, we'll just wipe the pattern buffers and be DONE with it.
Now they simply cease to exist, good game.
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[QUOTE=SkywalkerJedi;1852917]So can every single Indictor class. Star Wars will just shoot the moon instead.
[COLOR="Red"]Sure, why not destroy it and cause untold damage to the planet from the shockwave, the debris falling down, etc... and an Interdictor is a might bit LARGER than a Galaxy... the Galaxy class moving a MOON 100x larger than it is one hell of a feat. An interdictor moving a moon 20x larger than it is nothing to write home about[/COLOR]
You can't jump to hyperspace will a planetary gravity well, but you can stay in it even if it is a netron star. As for Death Star, it is acully a gravity well lock on ,because there is no way to identify the diffrence with a small freighter like the Falcon.
[COLOR="Red"]That's great... then you cannot run from a Trek ship while tractored. Hence the whole ARGUMENT. We don't care about pulling you OUT of hyperspace... we just won't let you get INTO it to escape.[/COLOR]
Indictors have stronger gravity wells then a star. Anyways reinforcements will arrive in miniuts or even seconds.
[COLOR="Red"]If this is true, then they would cause EVERY piece of space debris with a few hundred kilometers to zoom towards the interdiction field... try again mate.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
PLEASE think your arguments thru kid
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[QUOTE=SkywalkerJedi;1852929]He got stab right beside his heart ( I mean right beside ). And you got stabbed with a knife? Wow, that is extreme the worst I got is a scrap in the knee on concrete.
He don't need a mother, he is a pure vessle of the force. He can do anything with his full protencial.[/QUOTE]
1) That's my point - depending on where you hit the Jedi depends on if and how well he can recover.
2) If what you say is true, then why couldn't he simply take over Lukes mind? Why couldn't he, oh I dont' know, simply CRUSH the Rebel fleet with a wave of his hand like Exhar Khune could? Why couldn't he do a NUMBER of things? Why, of ALL people, did he loose a fight to Obe Wan? If he's THAT strong, then damn... vassels of the force are kind of weak...
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[QUOTE=SkywalkerJedi;1853138]1. Galactic Federation of Free Alliances don't have a barrier ( Or are you talking about the Star Wars galaxy? )
2. Why not, name a reason they can't
3. They send small scout ships
4. Republic and CIS can take Klingons and Federation. And plus the Republic only had one chance to have a mission like Outbound Flight
Jorus C'baoth showed the Jedi Concil he can do it. And it is 18 Jedi not 6.[/QUOTE]
GFFA does have a barrier. It's called the Hyperspace disturbance. The Galaxy Gun nor Centerpoint could fire through it. Nor could it readily be said that the weapons could penetrate the Galactic Barrier.
According to the Wookiewiki
[I]The Intergalactic Void was the region of space between the Known Galaxy and other galaxies, such as the Yuuzhan Vong galaxy. The void is a vast darkness, where no stars shine. The Yuuzhan Vong's worldship convoy crossed the void to leave their galaxy and come to the known one. Because the dovin basals could not properly lock onto any point in the Galaxy, the Yuuzhan Vong were forced to travel at sublight speed. How long this journey lasted is unknown, but it is believed to have lasted several millennia. It was in the void that the Yuuzhan Vong nearly destroyed themselves, as lack of resources caused several worldships to die, while Domain and Caste competition were taken to the extreme.[/I]
[QUOTE=SkywalkerJedi;1853160]So when the Starfleet meet a new race, they Jail them? Wow, I never seen Voyager do that? [/QUOTE]
Quarantine is quarantine.
If you don't know what it means I can provide a link.
[QUOTE]I mean yours, that is what your saying ( In another from ).[/QUOTE]
And yet I didn't say any of that.
[QUOTE]The Jedi just wait till he is fully examined.[/QUOTE]
You mean be treacherous?
[QUOTE]
[url]http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Chosen_One[/url]
I suggest you read the whole page.[/QUOTE]
No thank you If you couldn't post it its not worth the time.
[QUOTE=SkywalkerJedi;1853376]Star Trek people will NEVER learn the ways of the Force. They have absolute 0 midiclorians.[/QUOTE]
If that is what you believe.
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[QUOTE=SkywalkerJedi;1852948]Why did they have trouble going in a netron star in voyager? Centerpoint can crush a whole star system, can any blackhole do that?[/QUOTE]
1) Probably because Voyager hasn't had a chance to resupply and repair systems for... something along the lines of 8 YEARS... 8 YEARS of constant fighting with unknown and undiscovered species in a quadrent where they have no chance to resupply? it's only a little scout ship man...
2) No, a black hole can't crush a star system - it can't CRUSH anything. It simply makes it CEASE to EXIST. It sucks it in and, like magic, it disappears. What happens once it crosses the event horizon, we dont' know.
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[QUOTE=SkywalkerJedi;1852987][B][SIZE="4"]Legacy of the Force : Fury[/SIZE][/B]
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Gasping for breath, he raised his comlink. " This is Solo. Do not fire on the Millennium Falcon. Anyoe who fires on her dies. Use tractor beam only ."
He heard but paid no attention to, the acknowledgment from the bridge. He took no mind of the confusion in the officer's voice as the man reported progess with the tractor beams-which turned to no progress, as the weapons officers' switch over to the tractor system gave the Falxon precious moments in which to pull out from Anakin Solo's hanger bay ([COLOR="DarkOrange"]Tractor beams work outside the hanger bay[/COLOR]). Yes, I once fird on the Falxon from this very ship. But my daughter was not aboard her then. He could feel her, Allana's shining presence, growing ever more distant, and each moment of separation felt like another needle being hammered into his heart.([COLOR="darkorange"]The tractor beams locked on, but the Falcan is still pulling away, so it did lock on [/COLOR])
Finally it came, the report ge dreaded, the one he could not forestall no matter how strongly, lovingly, hopelessly he reached his daughter through the Force. " Sir, I'm sorry to report that the Millennium Falcon has entered hyperspace. "
His legs failed him and he sank to the deck plates, kneeling in his pain and sudden grief.
[COLOR="darkorange"]The last time I qouted the book is wrong because I don't have my book with me. The tractor beam did lock on and it jumped to hyperspace.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
The way it is written, it simply sounds like the Falcon got out of RANGE before the tractor could lock onto it... this makes Wars tractors kind of strange because it means they don't "aquire" a target a full force, like a Trek tractor beam...
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[QUOTE=SkywalkerJedi;1853038]They won't know what they are.[/QUOTE]
Uhm... yes they would. If you can DIGITIZE a person and put EVERYTHING back at the sub atomic level... you know damn well EXACTLY what ever basic component of said person is and what it does...
