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[QUOTE=Kittamaru;1851709]A) weapons can be disabled or destroyed before the person is rematerialized
B) Fine, they wont' go nuts, but they still can't use their full potential
C) Again, we'll just beam all the jedi out and remove the midichlorians, or simply use modified nanites to destroy said midichlorians[/QUOTE]
1) Transporters will beam anything thats on the Jedi
2) Not full, but full force attack potential
3) Midicorians are too small, there is 5,000 midicorians per cell for an average Jedi Knight. Anakin have alot over 20,000 per cell.
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[QUOTE=Kittamaru;1851714]Uh huh.. so you're saying that an interdictor can create a gravity well 50+ times that of a planet?
Your point is... what again?
the Ent-D projected a gravity well able to MOVE an entire moon! Not well, but it did!
And I highly, highly doubt Interdictors are that strong - provide some proof please.[/QUOTE]
Here is proof, a sun's gravity well won't even effect the hyperdrive, but an indictor can pull one out of hyperspace ? Logic here you go. I never seen Ent-D do that, proof please.
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[QUOTE=Kittamaru;1851715]And your point is... what?
Hyperspace is NOT subspace... just because they know of one extra dimension doesn't mean they know about or even what subspace is...[/QUOTE]
Star Trek don't know what hyperspace is:D
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[QUOTE=SkywalkerJedi;1851638]You enter it using hyperdrive generators that "jump" the ship to hyperspace ( somehow ). Jump to lightspeed is just a "slang" way to say jump to hyperspace. Thats where hypermatter comes from, hyperspace. I think you enter it by achiving the great speeds.
They call for reinforements ( Only if it is a Galaxy-Class vs a Frigate ) and the Federation ship will either be captured or destroyed ( depending on the situation or the commander's mood ). Reinforcements can arrive faster then Federation reinforcements. Galactic Republic will send it's Star Destroyers and CIS will send their ships.
Star Wars shields recharge by themselves and protoss shields need a shield battery. Star Wars shields can take more damage, the Falcon collided with an astroid immediatly after exiting hyperspace, that is alot of force and speed.[/QUOTE]
Negatory on 2 points:
Federation ships will never be captured, as you have NO WAY to board the ship.
Protoss shields do have passive regeneration... I'm a huge fan of Starcraft and can say, from experience, that passive regeneration is my favorite ally.
And no - upon exiting hyperspace, you INSTANTLY decelerate... watch the movies mate.
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[QUOTE=SkywalkerJedi;1851681]Legacy of the Force : Fury ( forgot what page, my book is at school )
" Nobody fire on the Millienium Falcon, whoever that fire on her dies. Use tractor beam only. " Jacen said. He heard but paid no attention to the affirmitive from the bridge. He once fired on the Millienium Falcon from this very ship, but this time is diffrent his daughter is onboard. ( I am skiping some conversation in the Falcon ). Then it came the reports he most dreaded " Sir, I am sorry to say that the Millienium Falcon made the jump to hyperspace "......................[/QUOTE]
You're leaving out the fact that they never GOT the tractor beam on the Falcon...
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[QUOTE=Kittamaru;1851719]Uh, so can I... it's not hard to curve light. Water can do it...[/QUOTE]
I mean with gravity, reflection and gravity and not the same.
[QUOTE]a black hole does not CURVE light by the way... it sucks it all in.[/QUOTE]
So do a Centerpoint blast, all the light present disappears instantly.
[QUOTE]And you've obviously never seen a super-giant black hole... when the Milky Way galaxy and the Andromeda galaxy collide, the supergiant black hole at the center of the milky way is going to absorb nearly 80% of the andromeda galaxy! It won't be the size of an asteroid - it'll simply be GONE.[/QUOTE]
A blackhole and a Centerpoint blast is diffrent. Blackhole suck stuff up and Centerpoint crush ( or if small enough eliminate ) stuff. I never seen the Federation flown in a super-giant blackhole. I wonder what would happen if they aim the Centerpoint at the center of Milky Way ?
[QUOTE]Black holes are far more powerful than Centerpoint. Period.[/QUOTE]
Not an average blackhole or the one that the Federation flown into.
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Originally Posted by SkywalkerJedi
You mean a force sensitve's ability. Also with the right tools, you can make a sun go supernova with the force.
And Q can make a new nebula flare into existance, condense it into a star, cause it to go supernova, collapse into a black hole, then make it vanish, all int he span of a few seconds...[/QUOTE]
That is only a force sensitve not the force.
[QUOTE]Not the force, a force sensitive. Force sensitves aren't vulberable yo knives, only to lightsaber or a stab clean through the heart and head choped off.
Uh huh... proof of this?[/QUOTE]
Acording to you Kyle Katarn would of died, he didn't.
[QUOTE]A force senstive can revive people too.
And why couldn't Anakin or Obi-Wan revive Padme? Why couldn't the other Jedi be revive when the clones turned against them?[/QUOTE]
not every force sesitive can do it. Darth Plagus and Cade Skywalker ( from Star Wars Legacy ) can do it.
[QUOTE]Nope, in Voyager Tom Paris, Tuvock, and other crew members weilded them. I know your reply " They are Qs too. " no their not. The Force can do everything and anything, but not a force sensitive.
I have not seen every episode of Voyager, so if they did weild them then I was wrong - but it still stands that they are the ONLY way to kill a Q. ”
Case in point - you haven't proven a Jedi, even a Jedi MASTER, can even begin to compete with a Q...[/QUOTE]
But the full potential of Anakin Skywalker can.
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[QUOTE=Kittamaru;1851743]Negatory on 2 points:
Federation ships will never be captured, as you have NO WAY to board the ship.
Protoss shields do have passive regeneration... I'm a huge fan of Starcraft and can say, from experience, that passive regeneration is my favorite ally.[/QUOTE]
I play StarCraft very often and I read the novels, they regenerate using the shield battery not by itself and only buildings can do it. You can board by blasting a hole in it.
[QUOTE]And no - upon exiting hyperspace, you INSTANTLY decelerate... watch the movies mate.[/QUOTE]
Here are the steps of hyperspace travle
1. You acclerate
2. You enter hyperspace
3. You decelerate ( not instantly rewatch the movies yourself )
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[QUOTE=Kittamaru;1851746]You're leaving out the fact that they never GOT the tractor beam on the Falcon...[/QUOTE]
Yes they did, it got on the Falcon.
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SkywalkerJedi,
[QUOTE=SkywalkerJedi;1851767]I play StarCraft very often and I read the novels, they regenerate using the shield battery not by itself and only buildings can do it. You can board by blasting a hole in it.[/QUOTE]
Apparently not. I am an avid StarCraft fan and what I just saw you type there shows that you're BSing. Protoss Shields in the game regenerate at a slow pace (faster than Zerg regeneration, but slower than Terran repair) and the Shield Battery is only a device to increase the rate of regeneration, speeds faster than Terran repair and healing. Go ahead and look it up.
On terms of lore (outside of the game), that's also BS. Tell me what novel you read to bring you to the idea that the shields cannot regenerate? They can be deactivated via force, but given time, they will recharge back to full power without the need of any external mechanism.
[Renrue]
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[QUOTE=SkywalkerJedi;1851660]Okay you win. It is a starfighter shield, not even a ship's. Remember how I proved that starfighter's aren't ships?[/QUOTE]
Why did you need to prove that? Is it not obvious?
[QUOTE=SkywalkerJedi;1851652]Tractor beam = average gravity field
A normal gravity well = "super gravity field"
I can't imagine what would they call a Indictor's four strong gravity well.[/QUOTE]
Let's see. Miko said it was like 12 G's
Astronaunts experience 3 G's on lift of the space shuttle
modern pilots may experience up to 10 G's in short durations
To call 12 G's small would be a mistake but to call it super as Miko does implies that the Interdictors power of casting mass shadows is either illusionary are incredibly Weak.
Star Trek Inertial Dampners easily countacts forces thousands of times that amount just by jumping to warp. You got to come up with more that a dozen G's to stop a tractor beam. Which is my point.
Star Wars fighters couldn't hope to counter a Federation tractor beam.
[QUOTE=SkywalkerJedi;1851638]You enter it using hyperdrive generators that "jump" the ship to hyperspace ( somehow ). Jump to lightspeed is just a "slang" way to say jump to hyperspace. Thats where hypermatter comes from, hyperspace. I think you enter it by achiving the great speeds.[/QUOTE]
Can you provide proof that Star wars views it as a slang?
[QUOTE]They call for reinforements ( Only if it is a Galaxy-Class vs a Frigate ) and the Federation ship will either be captured or destroyed ( depending on the situation or the commander's mood ). Reinforcements can arrive faster then Federation reinforcements. Galactic Republic will send it's Star Destroyers and CIS will send their ships.[/QUOTE]
Because of the apparent greater firepower of the Galaxy I must say that Nothing less than several ISD's could persuade a Galaxy class starship to standdown.
Remember the proof is on the board Federation phaser fire up to 60 times as powerful as the ISD's turbo laser turrets. Always provide proof of your claim.
[QUOTE]Star Wars shields recharge by themselves and protoss shields need a shield battery. Star Wars shields can take more damage, the Falcon collided with an astroid immediatly after exiting hyperspace, that is alot of force and speed.[/QUOTE]
Yes, I was wrong...Lukes manuver showed that the shield could be brought back. But...we are intern wrong about Protoss shields. All protoss shields could independently regenerate. The shield battery was merely a quicker method.
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[QUOTE=SkywalkerJedi;1851733]1) Transporters will beam anything thats on the Jedi
2) Not full, but full force attack potential
3) Midicorians are too small, there is 5,000 midicorians per cell for an average Jedi Knight. Anakin have alot over 20,000 per cell.[/QUOTE]
Uhm... Transporters can remove individual SUB-SUB ATOMIC PARTICLES.
Trust me, Midichlorians are NOT too small... we're talking about breaking the atomic bonds and digitizing a person, then re-assembling the matter elsewhere at the sub atomic state!
They'd be easy to remove... and the Transporters beam UP anything on/in the person, yes. But while they are in the pattern buffer, weapons, diseases, bacteria, viruses, and, if the person operating the pad so chose, even clothing can be removed before the person is rematerialized. Hell, if they wanted, they could just NEVER rematerialize the person.
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[QUOTE=SkywalkerJedi;1851738]Here is proof, a sun's gravity well won't even effect the hyperdrive, but an indictor can pull one out of hyperspace ? Logic here you go. I never seen Ent-D do that, proof please.[/QUOTE]
I can't remember the name of the episode - a large moon was going to crash into a planet due to decaying orbit, so the Ent-D projected it's warp field around part of the moon and used a tractor beam to tug it back into orbit. It was the episode where Q was stripped of his powers by the Continuum.
And as for the suns gravity well thing... if that's true, why don't they enter hyperdrive away from planets? Why is it in all the games, you cannot use Hyperdrive near a planetary gravity well? Why is it the Falcon didn't simply jump to lightspeed when in the Death Stars tractor beam?
And either way - we'd still stop you because you wouldn't be able to accelerate... hell, you wouldn't be able to move. We've already shown a Trek ship has far FAR greater acceleration... which means, in essence, more powerful engines in terms of sheer output, even if they have a lower "top speed". So don't think you can simply pull the Trek ship with you - you wouldn't be able to.
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[QUOTE=SkywalkerJedi;1851740]Star Trek don't know what hyperspace is:D[/QUOTE]
Sure they do - when the Traveller interfaced with the Ent-D, he put the ship into a type of hyperspace... they travelled, I believe, millions of light years in the span of a few (eg, 3 or 4) minutes.
It was like Warp Drive inside Hyperspace :P
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[QUOTE=SkywalkerJedi;1851764]Originally Posted by SkywalkerJedi
You mean a force sensitve's ability. Also with the right tools, you can make a sun go supernova with the force.
And Q can make a new nebula flare into existance, condense it into a star, cause it to go supernova, collapse into a black hole, then make it vanish, all int he span of a few seconds...[/QUOTE]
That is only a force sensitve not the force.
Acording to you Kyle Katarn would of died, he didn't.
not every force sesitive can do it. Darth Plagus and Cade Skywalker ( from Star Wars Legacy ) can do it.
But the full potential of Anakin Skywalker can.[/QUOTE]
1) If you stab a Jedi in the heart with a normal knife, and cut the organ in two, he will die. I've been stabbed on three different occasions and I'm still here, they just never hit anything vital.
2) Anakin is a whiny little bitch who Q would look at, say I don't LIKE you, and snap his fingers. Anakin would "pop" out of existance, his birth having never taken place, his MOTHERS birth having never taken place.
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[QUOTE=SkywalkerJedi;1851769]Yes they did, it got on the Falcon.[/QUOTE]
Mhm, then why couldn't the Falcon escape the Death Star, mm?
Sorry, Movies override your statement.
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Skywalker, the ONLY force sensitive person I can think of who could POSSIBLY even INTEREST Q would be Exhar Khune...
And he's long, LONG dead.
He was THE most powerful force user EVER. And if you even dispute that... there is a line directly from Palpatines lips stating he was the most powerful ever...
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[QUOTE=SkywalkerJedi;1851459]hyperspace is another dimention.[/QUOTE]
and how is this connnested with hyperspace?
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[QUOTE=SkywalkerJedi;1851464]They sense the ships. Most CIS ships are 100% machinery ( even the crew ), and Jedi can sense them. They see the everything in the battlefield when using Battle Meditaion. Even astroids.[/QUOTE]
in a world where the Force is omnipresent, but what about when there is no Force or a medium to it?
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[QUOTE=SkywalkerJedi;1851467]No, no. You misunderstood. It means that it can destroy the shields not magneticly pull it off.[/QUOTE]
if the shield can be destroyed, it still implies a material nature, and some kind of particle present. did you notice how this data on SW becomes more and more conflicting? we'd have to asablish a univesal source. that's why i only refered to the movies originaly. they are far less contradicting.
