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[QUOTE=TW Scott;1848054]If they knew EXACTLY to the kilogram what was on the ship they could try to measure the gravity exerted on the surrounding asteroid, again provided they knew EXACTLY the mass of all the surrounding asteroids and their movements and such and so forth.
The situation made such detection extremely difficult. Especially since the falcon is a negligable weight compared to an ISD.[/QUOTE]
actually the exess mass that falcon gives to the ISD thus changing its gravitational shift is far greater then the greavity shift of an entire star colapsing hundreds of lys away. and if they can detect ships by gravity distortion 100s of lys away, they should "see" the falcon as a boulder on their neck.
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[QUOTE=USS Enterprise-B;1847573]I highly disagree.
Dude, fucking children's books!!!
Really saq? What do you say to all of these "IMP superweapons"?[/QUOTE]
If it couldn't be done by the death Star then there really is no superweapon. Show me the weapon that is still around today...the weapon with with many kills...show me the unbeatable weapon and I will call that a SUPERweapon...othewise there just stupid weapons....waste of time and resources.
[QUOTE=antaran_1979;1848237]1. cartograpfh the entire Miliky Way? sure, after several centuries they'll face the Feds with temporal ships :)
2. ISD2s are 2.something times less destructive then the ventral array of a GCS, and most likely at least times 8 times less destructive then the entire ship's ordinance. so 3000 ISD2s=375GCSs in terms of firepowe.[/QUOTE]
It would still be quite the holocaust for many stations and planets but the Federation Fleet would be a destructive pain in their side. I don't think Star Fleet would surrender even if they threatened entire worlds with destruction.
GFFA would have quite a fight on their hands and don't let a year of fighting pass by...The Federation would have cracked Hyperspace travel easily and odds would tilt heavily in Star Fleet's favor.
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[QUOTE=Sardonic Crisis;1848145]
1. Tell me, which will create more energy, splitting the nucleus of an atom or splitting the particles that make up that atom?
2. The force is not applicable to those outside their universe, 3.metawhatevertheyare don't exist in biologicals outside their galaxy-universe.
4.Thank you Antaran for supporting the numbers here btw. I think there was a estimate of worlds possessed by Leto II earlier on in this thread.
5.phasers are nadions, read antarans critique on the reaction of dune shield and fed phasers. plus dune beats ST according to you.[/QUOTE]
1. actually tapping the strong nuclear forces (holding the attom) releases more energy then tapping the weak nuclear forces (holding the particles).
2. Obi-Wan felt the destruction of Alderan wile in hyperspace
3. but this is true. no midichlorians no force, thus the jedi and sith are blind outside SW universe.
4. no need for thanks, my goal is never diseption. i only suport ST on the weapons issue becuse they apear more destructive on screen then their SW counterparts.
5. don't bother, he never matched my phaser and TL analasys with one of his own making. he simply ignored it. i don't know about him, but when i repeatedly ignore the same posts (especialy when they are pages long) i usualy have nothing to counter them with (like that Centerpoint deus-ex machina Skywalker uses, i have no data on it yet so i ignore him; or the hyperdrive issue, it is clear SW is faster then UFP in that department, so why argue-unless for the sake of argument).
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[QUOTE=Saquist;1848250]
It would still be quite the holocaust for many stations and planets but the Federation Fleet would be a destructive pain in their side. I don't think Star Fleet would surrender even if they threatened entire worlds with destruction.
GFFA would have quite a fight on their hands and don't let a year of fighting pass by...[/QUOTE]
agreed. it would be one hell of a fight. many casulties on both sides. even if UFP desides to sue for peace SF is most likely to fight a guerilla war.
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Yes many would resign their commissions and New Fleet commander would be chosen...
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[QUOTE=Kittamaru;1847796]Oncea gain, Centerpoint would never HIT a Starship, and if by some MIRACLE it did, it wouldn't do squat. We already went over this a DOZEN TIMES. Once that missile comes out of orbit, anti-missile defenses will kick in. Why do you think unshielded missiles aren't used in Trek?[/QUOTE]
Centerpoint doesn't fire missiles, it creats a gravitational field that can crush a whole star system into the size of the whole UK. Galaxy Gun fire shielded missiles, and they are very fast, it is a hyperspace missile. Centerpoint can just crush the Star Trek fleets.
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[QUOTE=Kittamaru;1847799]Jedi... you're "superweapons" mean nothing. We know they take out Star Wars ships just fine and dandy... but we've already proven trek shielding is in the area of hundreds of powers STRONGER than Star Wars shields...[/QUOTE]
Most superweapons take out a planet in one shot, or a star system. They just fire the Centerpoint on Sector 001. Here you go Earth and Mars is destroyed.
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[QUOTE=Flectarn;1847823]nothing in that line says it's all the ships. however the preceding stage direction in the script does say that several cruisers fire on the ssd[/QUOTE]
Sorry my bad.
[QUOTE][url]http://www.blueharvest.net/scoops/rotj-script.shtml[/url]
I think the the footage is a little ambiguous... I think i'd been mistaking the side of the SSD for an ISD *shrug*[/QUOTE]
Several big Mon Cal Home One-Class, that is alot of pounding still.
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[QUOTE=Saquist;1847887]Yes you did say harrasment and sabotag and under the definition of sabotage destruction is included. However harrasment is not the same as sabotage, it means to impede or to exhaust by raiding. Minor incomparison to sabotage. With that in mind I must counter your claim that concussion missles are merely used for harrasment they are tactical weapon for the purpose of waging war.[/QUOTE]
It is also used aginst small Gunships and Missile Boats. Sorry for not mentioning it.
[QUOTE]You're right...It is entirely possible. However that is a question of strategem.[/QUOTE]
Read the Thrawn Trilology, you will find Thrawn being a good strategist
[QUOTE]Unlikely...[/QUOTE]
Yes they can, the can destroy anything in the galaxy.
[QUOTE]That would require a staging ground at Corelia. it's unlikely the station is movable other wise it would have been moved.[/QUOTE]
It can be moved, they never had the need to do so. It can move stars in hyperspace, why can't it move itself? It is hyperspace capable.
[QUOTE]Star Fleets registry recognizes over 80,000 ships of various construction. If just a quarter of those ships are combat level and worthy that means the Federations active Fleet is 20,000 ships strong...and easy match against the 25,000 Star Destroyers at the height of Palpatines reign.[/QUOTE]
20,000 Federation ships are take 25,000 Frigates and Cruisers but not Star Destroyers. 80,000 ships is very little compared to the Republic and Imperial Fleet, there were 8,000 ships guarding Coruscant ( all Star Destroyers ), and that is only the Open Circle Fleet.
[QUOTE]Well sure from the insided. I'd expect it to blow up but this is a matter of security.[/QUOTE]
Trade Federation have bad security, but they are the [B]Trade[/B] Federation.
[QUOTE]No they made it worse....
There no way Star Fleet would have made destroying a superweapon that easy for entire fleets to do...[/QUOTE]
Tarkin Battlestation wasn't even operational when a big Imperial Fleet blew it up.
[QUOTE]I'm Sorry...the Empire is highly incompetent...that's the nature of bad guys in almost every movie.[/QUOTE]
The Republic is a fine fighting force, lead by wise and force sensitive Jedi Knights.
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[QUOTE=USS Citadel;1847997]let me guess Skywalkerjedi, you are unemployed and you live with your parents.[/QUOTE]
Of cources, have you ever seen a 10 year old live alone and employed?
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[QUOTE=USS Enterprise-B;1847970]Winning?!?
Your 'new' knowledge is found either by your blind denial and/or you lack the intelligence to get the useful information out of our posts.[/QUOTE]
No by Dark Empire and Revalations.
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[QUOTE=USS Citadel;1848001]And, you are also a virgin.[/QUOTE]
I proud, thank you.
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[QUOTE=TW Scott;1848021]Note for all those people wanting to bring in unique items. That is possible, provided the item or creator still exist.
The Genesis Device was a unique item, never again produced even slightly successfully, or Federation would be terraforming planets.
The Star Forge is quasi unique. It takes a race of Force sensitives to build one, but then again there are other races that all force sensitive. One of these is not likely to enter the fray.
Death Stars are not unique, they are consturcted of common technology, albeit in on a scale nothing in Star Trek can match except V'ger and the Dyson sphere and even those are not nearly as powerful.
Centerpoint Station is unique, but still operational.
World Devastators are not unique and in many respect far superior to the Star Forge as they are mobile.
I understand Jedi's exuberance, but it is only fair to keep to these simple rules. If it is not unique it is going to be in the fight. If it is unique it is not. So no Genesis device, no Xindi super weapon, no Tempral weapon, no Star Forge, no Galaxy Gun, and no Suncrusher.[/QUOTE]
Weather it is unique or not, it doesn't matter. It is a part of the Star Wars Saga, and should be in the debate.
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[QUOTE=antaran_1979;1848230]what. crush the torpedo??? do you know what the genesis device is?[/QUOTE]
Why not, it crush it into the size of a coin.
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[QUOTE=antaran_1979;1848237]1. cartograpfh the entire Miliky Way? sure, after several centuries they'll face the Feds with temporal ships :)
2. ISD2s are 2.something times less destructive then the ventral array of a GCS, and most likely at least times 8 times less destructive then the entire ship's ordinance. so 3000 ISD2s=375GCSs in terms of firepowe.[/QUOTE]
Do you even know whats on a ISD. 70+ turbolasers, loads of bombs and missiles ( Thats not nuclear ), numerous Gunships, and uncountable Heavy Laser Cannons.
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[QUOTE=antaran_1979;1848239]you did not answer my question. i repeat: do you know how cloacks work in ST?[/QUOTE]
Yes, I do.
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[QUOTE=antaran_1979;1848241]what, now they toss granates in space combat. fission granates?????[/QUOTE]
They fire the grenade, they don't throw it.
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[QUOTE=Saquist;1848250]If it couldn't be done by the death Star then there really is no superweapon. Show me the weapon that is still around today...the weapon with with many kills...show me the unbeatable weapon and I will call that a SUPERweapon...othewise there just stupid weapons....waste of time and resources.[/QUOTE]
Centerpoint, and Superlasers. The rest were destroyed in various ways.
[QUOTE]It would still be quite the holocaust for many stations and planets but the Federation Fleet would be a destructive pain in their side. I don't think Star Fleet would surrender even if they threatened entire worlds with destruction.
GFFA would have quite a fight on their hands and don't let a year of fighting pass by...The Federation would have cracked Hyperspace travel easily and odds would tilt heavily in Star Fleet's favor.[/QUOTE]
They will never learn how to make them, first it is seal and if you try to cut the outside it would explode. They can never get their hands on a Star Wars ship. Soons as they realize their losing, they jump to hyperspace.
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[QUOTE=antaran_1979;1848268]1. actually tapping the strong nuclear forces (holding the attom) releases more energy then tapping the weak nuclear forces (holding the particles).
2. Obi-Wan felt the destruction of Alderan wile in hyperspace
3. but this is true. no midichlorians no force, thus the jedi and sith are blind outside SW universe.
4. no need for thanks, my goal is never diseption. i only suport ST on the weapons issue becuse they apear more destructive on screen then their SW counterparts.
5. don't bother, he never matched my phaser and TL analasys with one of his own making. he simply ignored it. i don't know about him, but when i repeatedly ignore the same posts (especialy when they are pages long) i usualy have nothing to counter them with (like that Centerpoint deus-ex machina Skywalker uses, i have no data on it yet so i ignore him; or the hyperdrive issue, it is clear SW is faster then UFP in that department, so why argue-unless for the sake of argument).[/QUOTE]
1. They are not blinded, they just can't detect loss of life, thats all
2. Yet the turbolaser fire that destroyed the astroid is a long range turbolaser, and that is a big astroid
3. My superweapons are in EU.
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[QUOTE=antaran_1979;1848271]agreed. it would be one hell of a fight. many casulties on both sides. even if UFP desides to sue for peace SF is most likely to fight a guerilla war.[/QUOTE]
If they want to fight, fine with Star Wars. If they want peace, they will consider that. Republic and CIS are merciful.
