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Also not that Federation Starships don't use fission of any kind. Impulse Engines generate their own power once started by a fussion process and then compressing or imploding the reaction into a wave of subspace energy. Coils in the impulse housing react to that energy wave and thus drive the ship forward.
1) It was in warp
2) Shinzon knew EXACTLY where to hit them (and probably the shield frequency as they had no clue they were being followed)
3) They were at MAXIMUM warp... regenerative shielding is power hungry, thus probably not active as they were attempting to reach the fleet.
4) What Geordi said was great... but remember- we SAW the WARP CORE shut down. You can SEE it happen.
5) no anti-matter inducers... no warp power.
Remember, the Scimitar was NO normal ship... and Shinzon was no normal enemy.
As for why they sent it to the neutral zone... it was because of Picard having been assimilated. He even says it in the movie.
Federation starships have secondary fission (or fusion, forget which) generators for supplimentary power.
Hence the favorite "reroute auxillary power to the engines" command. Or are we assuming some OTHER secondary power generation?
There is no evidence to suggest they knew the shield frequency that I'm aware of
I also have no evidence that the Enterprise has anything called regenerative shielding.
What we say may have been just an interruption of power...or because the camera was zoomed in so close and the scene so short, the next magnetic constrictor pulse was out of view. If I'm right they were only showing us that the shield on the reactor was down. The reactor self may have still been more than functional.
As for Picard having been assimilated, that does not make sense that they send the ship capable of insuring that the Federation and Earth will remain safe, to the neutral zone when one could have just relieved him of duty and placed Riker in Command,
To me that just implies that the Enterprise wasn't important at all.
Picard SAID that was the reason... you are trying to override Cannon Fact with that "implication". Stop pulling a Scott... you're a better man than he is!
The ENTIRE core went "lights out"... if that's not total core shutdown, I don't know what is.
Evidence they knew the shield frequency? They didn't affect the shields at all... the impacts were DIRECTLY against the hull of the ship in KEY locations.
The Enterprise does have Regenerative shielding. Why? The Borg tractor beams cannot lock onto them and drain their shields. The primary generator goes offline as the secondary takes over, freeing the ship due to the new (not rotating) harmonic.
But I didn't say "Picard wasn't the reason the Enterprise was reassigned."
And I can't assume that the core "went lights out." The scene was too short for me to determine that. I just can't jump to that conclusion, Kitt. Especially inlight of the fact no one said anything to that effect. That's an important report that would require specifying. So for me they didn't have warp speed but Warp power was still functional.
And regenerative shielding is not the same as multispectral shielding. The Galaxy could rotate shield harmonics and so could Intrepid.
We can see the core "drain" of power in the scene...
Regenerative shielding is far better than multispectral shielding, which is standard on all ships. However, the Borg are feared to be able to overcome the ability to "rotate" harmonics due to the fact that it is just that- a rotation. The ability to, at random, jump from harmonic 100 to harmonic 42 for example (instead of stepping thru 99->43) means there is NO time to adapt... it's just a random, new frequency.
[I]"He knocked out our warp core with his first shot! We only have impulse captain!"[/I]
Lt. Cmmdr. Geordie La Forge 'S10: Nemesis'
[QUOTE=USS Enterprise-B;1686083]Not really, TW just won't accept anything we say.[/QUOTE]
Why would I accept something that flies in the face of ST canon and completely ignores SW canon?
[QUOTE=FoolFromHell;1668330]Because there is no POINT in considering them. Federation ships have the firepower of SSDs with the speed of fighters. And since phasers go at the speed of light, any and all enemy craft that come at them, especially unshielded TIEs, would be obliterated.[/quote]
There you go, lying again.
Output of [I]Galaxy[/I] class warp core 12.5 billion gigawatts per second.
Out put of One Heavy Turbolaser 52 billion gigawatts in 1/15th a second.
An SSD carries 250+ Heavy Turbolasers.
Stated Speed of Phasers .9987c
Speed of Laser 1c
Speed of Maximum Impulse .75c some ships can go faster
Speed of Full Impulse .25c normal combat speed.
[QUOTE=Enterprise-D;1680682]LOL it's a good thing that it was on pg 20; sometime later on, it was agreed that the Q are unbeatable...that's why the Warsies called uncle with the Q, and limited the fight to Feds v Empire or somethin like that.[/QUOTE]
Actually, no Uncle call was needed. Q are vulnerable as witnessed by the fact that Q is AFRAID of Guinan.
More to the point is that Q would not involve themselves in the battle anyways. In fact they would be sitting back popping some popcorn and enjoying the show.
[QUOTE=TW Scott;1692250]Actually, no Uncle call was needed. Q are vulnerable as witnessed by the fact that Q is AFRAID of Guinan. [/QUOTE]
I hope you realize that at the time, the Q continuum took his powers. Probably giving him a sense of 'vulnerability' no doubt.
[QUOTE]More to the point is that Q would not involve themselves in the battle anyways. In fact they would be sitting back popping some popcorn and enjoying the show.[/QUOTE]
Probably, not. But then again, Q has shown a master/pet fascination with Picard. Q also mentioned that the trial of humanity never ended. Henceforth we know that the Q still has some future plans for them.
Everyone, just set TW Scott to ignore... he's a psycho who likes to argue with crap posts just to ++ postcount... don't believe me? Check the previous 400 pages for his filth...
[QUOTE=USS Enterprise-B;1692258]I hope you realize that at the time, the Q continuum took his powers. Probably giving him a sense of 'vulnerability' no doubt.[/quote]
Acutally, I was referring to the episode where Q took the USS Enterprise to meet the Borg. He blustered and bullied, but did nothing against Guinan despite expressing a desire to do so.
[quote]Probably, not. But then again, Q has shown a master/pet fascination with Picard. Q also mentioned that the trial of humanity never ended. Henceforth we know that the Q still has some future plans for them.[/QUOTE]
But there are times you just have to let you pet ant die. And the Star Wars universe is dominated by humans as well.
[QUOTE=Kittamaru;1692264]Everyone, just set TW Scott to ignore... he's a psycho who likes to argue with crap posts just to ++ postcount... don't believe me? Check the previous 400 pages for his filth...[/QUOTE]
Odd, I believe you will find I follow SW and ST canon. The few times I have made an error I have admitted it, unlike yourself.
Oh and nice ad hominem.
I did notice you did not try to refute the above arguments in any constructive manner.
[QUOTE=TW Scott;1692248]There you go, lying again.
Output of [I]Galaxy[/I] class warp core 12.5 billion gigawatts per second.
Out put of One Heavy Turbolaser 52 billion gigawatts in 1/15th a second.
[COLOR="Red"]Orly? If so, how come a single SSD cant take out a planet? At 12.4 Gigtons/shot, a single ISD/SSD should be able to take out a planet. They couldnt even take out the STONE temples in EPIV...[/COLOR]
An SSD carries 250 Heavy Turbolasers.
Stated Speed of Phasers .9987c
Speed of Laser 1c
[COLOR="Red"]If it was 1c, you would never be able to see individual blasts... It would look like a stream of light. You admitted earlier that turbolasers were slower than light... and anyway, a Trek ship at warp can shoot torpedoes at faster than light speeds...[/COLOR]
Speed of Maximum Impulse .75c some ships can go faster
Speed of Full Impulse .25c normal combat speed.
[COLOR="Red"]And SW ships can barely do anything... it accelerates at like 10,000g in ONE direction... Pretty damn unmaneuverable.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
Your arguments are invalid.
[QUOTE=TW Scott;1692268]Odd, I believe you will find I follow SW and ST canon. The few times I have made an error I have admitted it, unlike yourself.
Oh and nice ad hominem.
I did notice you did not try to refute the above arguments in any constructive manner.[/QUOTE]
No reason to... you'll just ignore them like you do EVERY constructive post you can't refute.
Why didn't Q attack Guinan... simple. She is Picards friend. Also, if you had any time to notice, she has some "powers" of her own, though what they are we have no idea... maybe just very, very keen observation... but she ALWAYS seems to be there when someone "needs a friend"... more so than the ships Counselor, and she's empathic!
FFH, just set him to Ignore... it's better that way. I plan to after I get a few good laughs from the bastard... already reported him since he's a big piece of flamebait(tm)
[QUOTE]Output of Galaxy class warp core 12.5 billion gigawatts per second.
Output of One Heavy Turbolaser 52 billion gigawatts in 1/15th a second.
[COLOR="Red"]Orly? If so, how come a single SSD cant take out a planet? At 12.4 Gigtons/shot, a single ISD/SSD should be able to take out a planet. They couldnt even take out the STONE temples in EPIV...[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
Now I know you have limited knowledge.. Th Yucatan pennisula strike that cuased the TK event was in the multi teratons. It was almosta thousand times more powerful than a Heavy Turbolaser. Yet to the plents it barely cuased a noticable impact.
As for the Massassi temples, if you know your ST canon, you know the Base would have had shields. Above and beyond that those are sith alchemically treated stone. the temples would have survived being on the surface of a star thanks to the Dark Side rituals involved.
[QUOTE]Stated Speed of Phasers .9987c
Speed of Laser 1c
[COLOR="red"]If it was 1c, you would never be able to see individual blasts... It would look like a stream of light. You admitted earlier that turbolasers were slower than light... and anyway, a Trek ship at warp can shoot torpedoes at faster than light speeds...[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
By your reasoning the bullets seen in the matrix during bullet time effects would moving only a few feet per second too. The beams in ST appear slower than ligh same as SW but for benefit of doubt they should be bumped up to proper speed.
As for your super light torpedoes they have NO MASS when travelling at such speeds and do much less damage than normal.
[QUOTE]Speed of Maximum Impulse .75c some ships can go faster
Speed of Full Impulse .25c normal combat speed.
[COLOR="red"]And SW ships can barely do anything... it accelerates at like 10,000g in ONE direction... Pretty damn unmaneuverable.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
So, ST weapons could not even scratch the shields of a SD why would the SD need to maneuver.
[QUOTE=Kittamaru;1692278]FFH, just set him to Ignore... it's better that way. I plan to after I get a few good laughs from the bastard... already reported him since he's a big piece of flamebait(tm)[/QUOTE]
So you do the Ad hominem attack and then turn around and report me, interesting.