Ok, now since we're taking requests for Dream ships
Refit Romulan Bird of Prey from TOS. Balance of Terror.
2x forward firing Quantum Torpedo tubes
4x forward firing disrupter banks
1x super weapon
2x Aft Type X phaser banks, 1 dorsal and 1 ventral array
Warp core- Defiant Class (ejectable)
Warp up to 9.2
Bio-Neural gel packs
Cloaking Device (allowing for firing while cloaked ala St. VI: Undiscovered Country-Except for super weapon)
and sorry for taking up so much of the previous page, but i wanted to be able to post the pic.
This alone proves Trek would win
heh... yeah, at least federation crews know when to duck... and who do you suppose though it was a good idea to put a beam there anyway, you'd think as big as those ships are they'd build some clearance into them.
actually after further review of this thread, I rescind my assessment of TW Scott being reasonable, even relative to other warsies. though his arguments are generally more coherent( seriously, Vader Rules is not an argument people), he is a liar and a scoundrel who refuses to see reason, or admit to cannon fact. and has a fondness for personal attacks when his flawed logic fails to persuade an opponent.
The particular incident which is annoying me at the moment is about a year and a half a go he was involved in an argument with one Mars13 regarding the size and effectiveness of the romulan/cardasian fleet in the DS9:The Die is Cast. TW Scott insisted that logically the fleet much be many times the apparent size, perhaps 90 or more ships. However it is Explicitly Stated in the episode (i happened to watch it last night) that it is 20 ships, no more, no less.
moreover, the romulans state that "computer estimates predict the crust will be completely destroyed in 1 hour, and the mantle within 5" not a bad level of firepower
this estimate is somewhat incongruent with the sensor readings of "30% of the planets crust is destroyed" after the first volley, so there must be something else going on, maybe the founders home world is weaker stuff than they anticipated, there is a long reload time, or the damage level was some kind of a trick.
again, hate to bring up old news, but that's been bothering me.
I believe they were expecting a planetary shield of sorts, or at least some form of resistance... they got none though.
makes sense, though i don't remember that being mentiond.
well no resistance till the Jem'Hadar came out of the nebula
Number 13: we decide to find out just what it was "God" needed a starship for.
Star Trek has never made a statement on Planetary Shields. During every attack of a planet never has a planetary shield come into play. However the same is true of Star Wars with the exception of the EU. However the canon Star Wars is just as helpless to planetary attack.
Planetary shields came up a few times in TOS... and unspecified planetary defences in St:IV
I'm actually aware of no planetary shield in TOS at least none refering to Federation worlds. However I dislike speculation in vs debates about what could be.
[QUOTE] [url]http://www.starfleetjedi.net/k4.html[/url]- In "Whom Gods Destroy," we see a planetary shield that can resist a narrow beam phaser attempting to punch a hole in it. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE] [URL="http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/When_The_Bough_Breaks"]http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/When_The_Bough_Breaks[/URL] -While investigating the Epsilon Mynos system, the crew of the Enterprise-D are witness to the revealing of the legendary planet Aldea. Radue, leader of the Aldeans, contacts the ship and asks to meet with them. Suddenly, Radu and Rashella appear on the bridge, startling everyone, but they quickly explain that the Enterprise's transporters won't work because of the planet's shields. [/QUOTE]
as it turns out i could only find two references to planetary shields, one in TOS and one in TNG. so their quite rare, but do exist, though as far as i can tell have never come up regarding federation worlds.
arn't Vs debates inherently a matter of speculation about what could be?
I guess the theoretical comes into play when we're actually making such a story but speculation of actual ability can be endless. I knew about the TNG but the TOS refrence escaped me.
I've just reviewed some of the most intense pages of this debate. 169 and 170....
Wow! I had to go down to a low level to debate against Sian and TWSCOTT. If I had it all to do again I'd probably walk away from they're style of debate. They really weren't worthy it. But It felt good sometimes. I could almost imagine TW's face when I pulled out the "blaster proof blouse" and the Naboo fighter taken down by a tank....
hehe, the blaster proof blouse... classic!
I still like the stormtrooper headbang!
Hey Flectarn...that was a really good site...learned alot from starfleetjedi.net....real good.
[QUOTE=Saquist;1648676]I'm actually aware of no planetary shield in TOS at least none refering to Federation worlds. However I dislike speculation in vs debates about what could be.[/QUOTE]
ST planetary defenses are usually offensive weapons. I mean...the starships are the first line, but planets have their own robot platforms. Mentioned in ST: Nemesis (that the Scimitar would fly past all the defenses undetected). Or the famous Chin'toka confrontation in the Dominion War, where Legate Damar's orbital weapons platform almost kept our good UFP and allies from pushing into enemy territory.
There were one or two instances of planetary shields (eg in the Delta quadrant a couple times, or in a TOS episode - not a UFP world)...but planetary shields were kind of moot when compared to orbiting weapons.
"Equinox" - by taking shields offline and recharging them for forty-five seconds, the U.S.S. Equinox's shields would be back to full.
Season 6: "A Fistful of Datas" - a 15 second personal force field can be improvised from and powered by a communicator with a few spare primitive electric components, stopping 6 bullets from a handgun. In "Chain of Command," we see a portable purpose-built deflector emitter, a device roughly the size of a tennis ball.
"Hero Worship" - full shields of a GCS use the output of no more than half its fusion reactors.
"Suspicions" - new metaphasic shields allow a shuttle to survive immersion in a star.
"New Ground" - deflectors are down 15% after collision with a high energy subspace wave. This suggests an absolute upper limit of 300-8,000,000 yottajoules for the energy normal strength deflectors can take.
Soran makes use of a 50 gigawatt forcefield to detain Picard on the surface of a planet. This is not, incidentally, a large device.
STIX: In yet another example of small portable shielding, Picard plans for fleeing Ba'ku on foot to deploy force fields inside a system of caves.
Yeah pretty much shield tech is incredible. But they use weapons rather than shields as a defense. That site really showed that Trek has an incredible advantage over Star Wars in a lot of situations. those numbers were absolutely huge.
oh, yeah, i thought of another example of a planatary shield, well sort of. The outposts along the neutral zone that the romulans attack int TOS:balance of terror are all on asteroids (big ones) with shields protecting them. may be the closest thing to a fed planet sheild.
The Feds are capable of putting up a planetary shield should the need arise... just most of the time there's no need, so they don't.
I don't know I'm skeptical.
[QUOTE=Saquist;1650513]I don't know I'm skeptical.[/QUOTE]
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