You are limiting my choice. I would opt for a universe without the curse of religion.
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You are limiting my choice. I would opt for a universe without the curse of religion.
[QUOTE=TW Scott;1625258]Yeah, but would Sector 31 invent a disease that would do the same damn thing to humans of their own galaxy? No. They wouldn't even think of it. Since Elliot had midichlorians so do ALL humans.[/QUOTE]
Are you mentally retarded? There is no midichlorians in Star Trek. Midichlorians are made up and only exist in Star Wars. you can't say that it would be in humans in Star Trek since it only exists in one area.
Unless you wish to show evidence? Not that you can.
And yes, Sector 31 would think of it, and they have no moral issues about infecting the SW galaxy.
[QUOTE=TW Scott;1625262]Does it matter? Gene's area of expertise was aeromuatical engineering yet the Enteprise is possible the most absurd design for a space vessel ever concieved by an engineer.
Look, Gene stole everything there was about Star Trek, there wasn;t a single original idea in there whatsoever. Just elements taken form many other sources and redressed to fit his show. It's the same with anything nowadays, everything is stolen from somewhere else.[/QUOTE]
No it isn't. Please, stop just spouting crap without knowing what the hell you're talking. First of all, inspiration from a source is not stealing a source. For example, Mind Flayers were partly inspired from Love Craft, but that doesn't mean it was riped off.
Furthermore, if you really believe the Gene ripped off of someone else, you must have never watched Star Trek before. The show is about the human condition, which is what he wanted his show to be about; a bright future for humanity. What inspired him? No idea. But that isn't stealing or ripping off an idea. Now Veggiemorphs? Yeah, that was a ripp off.
[QUOTE=TW Scott;1625263]Proton torpedoes are a close equivalent of capital ships weapons and far superior to the Photon Torpedo in yield. So I guess that just screw ST yet again[/QUOTE]
That's funny, because Episode I displays their firepower being equal to that of about a handgernade.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKQYa_i7o1k&mode=related&search=[/url]
[QUOTE=TW Scott;1625267]Yavin moon is a strange place steep in ancient sith power and alchemy. The stones you are looking at were enhanced by the liked of Exar Kun and countless other Sith. You could drop one in a star and it would remain unmolested. As for scorching the air, doesn't work so well, a few portable shield gnenerators and some cheap life support equipment and the rebels could sit tight for years as they tunnel out.[/QUOTE]
What in the hell do you smoke?:bugeye:
There is no evidence, let me repeat, no evidence that such crap exists. So unless you have some evidence that proves such bullshit, concede.:mad:
[QUOTE=TW Scott;1625269]But that is not how SW canon works. If the books say it is so and the movies to not directly contradict the book then the book is correct. Nothing in the movies invalidates 12.5 gigatons for heavy turbo lasers.[/QUOTE]
Kittamaru....you're carrying on a converation with a brick wall.
He's trying to make you look silly.
All you need to know...is
The books are in constant contradiction to the movies. Which is why George Lucus stated unequivocaly that the only absolute for Star Wars is the Movies and Movies alone....I quote him. [B] "The Extended Universe is aside from my Universe where the adventure contines. "[/B]
By which during further questioning reveals that the fall of the Emperor and the Empire occured all in Return of the Jedi..."It was a happy Ending." The Empire did not continue in the Real Star Wars.
There was no Grand Admiral Thrawn.
There was not a Third Death Star
There was no Sun Crusher
There was no New Republic
There was no Yuuzahn Vong invasion.
That's all you need to know because every supposed contradiction he'll give you is going to come from the EU. He knows it contradicts the "absolute cannon" that GL establishes...
[QUOTE=TW Scott;1625263]Proton torpedoes are a close equivalent of capital ships weapons and far superior to the Photon Torpedo in yield. So I guess that just screw ST yet again[/QUOTE]
You said that I was the most biased of them all. Yet you state that everything on ST is completely inferior to SW. Yet I admit hyperspace is a considerable advantage.
[QUOTE=TW Scott;1625279]Hey you asked for references to shields. And yes the droideka's did drop shields to walk, so the shields would not interact with the ground.[/QUOTE]
True.
[QUOTE]As for the naboo cruiser it took several hits for shields to short. The gnerator hadn't been hit, just shorted out, something that happens in ST all the time.[/QUOTE]
No, "Shield generator's been hit!"
[QUOTE]So being able to hold a position against artillery and bomber raids is not suitably advanced for you. I can tell you have never once even tried to understand tactics.[/QUOTE]
Hmmmm never considered that. But still, why I'd take a simple modern-day B-52 stratofortress, enter the shield, and bomb the shit out of em'.
Are you familier with the ancient Greek phlanx?
If the gungans had long rifles, and formed a phlanx similar to the greeks, maybe they would not of had to surrendured.
[QUOTE]Actually several times on genosha a carrier was hit in mid air and only got jostled around, close to ground or on ground they got creamed.[/QUOTE]
Hmmm??? :confused:
[QUOTE]Like Gene was. All his stuff was stolen too, then again you just can't come up with decent original stuff anymore[/QUOTE]
And what exactly did Gene steal? Can't find anything like ST before ST.
[QUOTE]Obviously someone wasn't paying any attention the Mustafar scenes.[/QUOTE]
Oh I thought you were talking about that medical facility.
[QUOTE]No, but when you short out rhe field I am certain it might refract the bolt that shorted it out. Not a hard concept for people with functional forebrains.[/QUOTE]
That process still doesn't make logical sense. Better discriptive langueage sil vous plait. Your right, not a hard concept for those people, as long as you take the eighth word of the sentance and add the prefix 'dis'.
[QUOTE]What part of they were allowed to escape did you miss?[/QUOTE]
Probably some bad writing, but are you sure that the IMP officers would have let them go on a moments notice? Vader didn't know they were going to escape did he?
[QUOTE]Well, it's a civillian craft. One that is heavily modified beyond design specs. It would be like if you took the defiants engines and put it on a runabout.[/QUOTE]
Wait, your calling that 'heavily armed' then, while you were thinking of a sorry reply to my inquesition?
[QUOTE]And you just lied. Several times in the battle of Yavin an X-wing took a hit with only some syystem degredation. Hell Luke's X=wing took three direct hits and was still good.[/QUOTE]
Uh, he just got caught in a little explosion on the DS caused from his own fire. "Just a little cooked but I'm okay"
[QUOTE]What outside General Veers was well INSIDE the shield system or are you just not paying attention.[/QUOTE]
Never stated it. So once again the shield can be advanced through?
[QUOTE]Untill you pay attention we'll be going over it often[/QUOTE]
Every time you just wave it away with your finger, while using a buch of fanboy rubbish to pitifully explain it.
[QUOTE]The images are inconclusive at best the dust cloud form the exploding meteor is larger than the bridge section. We never see the cloud clear enough to say how much damage is being done. However you can see clear indication that the shields are interacting with the asteroid. And the asteroid seemed to explode on the surface instead of plowing through, like Jem H'dar do to ST vessels.[/QUOTE]
Dude, there's stars behind the cloud! And it is most likely true because in SW, just about everything is a plot device. What you see on screen is meant to be obvious. In a movie, a car gets hit by an anti-tank weapon (rocket), an explosion results, we are left to assume the obvious and that the car was destroyed. That's filmmaking for ya'. "Shield's interacting with the asteriod? :wtf:" Dude that explosion wasen't any better than a TOS one.
[QUOTE]I should mention to you that the 3 ISD destroyed by the Exectuor is covered in novelization[/QUOTE]
Read what Saquist just said.
[QUOTE]In correct again. Much like the shield generators of the Gungans the Generator is well inside the shiled. Please try to exhibit som comon sense.[/QUOTE]
No, the shields being forced down corresponded EXACTLY with the destruction of the sphere. Yet another plot device (In a movie, a car gets hit by an anti-tank weapon (rocket), an explosion results, we are left to assume the obvious and that the car was destroyed).
[QUOTE]Well try exerting your self a bit, you might notice that time wise the battle has been going several minutes now and been fastforwarded quite a bit.[/QUOTE]
That's what you say everytime SW shields have been shown ineffective. You say that the battle has been going on for a long enough time for the shields to be drained by enemy weapons fire.
[QUOTE]Once again, incorrect several times we have seen enemy fire have no appreciable effect on fighters. True the TIE fighters pop when you hit them, but they only have particle shields, no ray shielding.[/QUOTE]
We have NEVER seen a SW fighter survive a hit.
[QUOTE]You know with your ability to ignore evidence I bet you were one of the jurors in the first Rodney King Beating trial.[/QUOTE]
Far from the point actually... :)
[QUOTE=TW Scott;1625251]Small problem the Jedi talent of Absorb Energy. You will not it took three blaster shots from Jango to simply throw a jedi off a balcony, but only one shot to kill the rampaging Reek. Some how I doubt a phaser set to stun is going to do any good. And before you say anything it is Federation polcy to have phasers on stun even during boarding exercises.[/QUOTE]
Yes, and a force user (though she didn't know at the time) Leia, was easily stunned by a stormtrooper.
DUDE DAMMIT! ST does not have fucking midichlorians! SW canon does not affect ST canon in anyway!
[QUOTE=TW Scott;1625242]Ah, I see Enterprise-B is still on the same tripe he has been ranting about for some time now. The poor man has completely ignored canon facts from both universes and thinks his little comic strip is an effective argument.[/QUOTE]
More or less a joke. :D Though the quantum torps, phasers and destroyed sheild generator are all real. The dialoage especially. Think of the enterprise-b being used as a simple symbol for a lakota refitted excelsior.
(Don't you understand a joke when you see one?)
[QUOTE=USS Enterprise-B;1625060]Check this out. (The image is mine, also please excuse the USS Lakota on the saucer and registry number)
[IMG]http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/i1360893_eclipse.JPG[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Heh heh. Nice one.:D
Very!!!
....Well Done.
I disagree with taking out an Eclipse so Easily but the drama adequetly simulates the vast lacking Star Wars has toward Trek fire power and shields....Good JOB Enterprise B
Oh and since the EU is no applicable in the versus debate that eliminates the children books Incredible Cross Sections from any consideration all including it's contradictory statements of firepower.
Since the Enterprise has proven to be 6 -8 times more powerful than a standard turbo laser implacement we can count out the anti fighter lasers from being a combat consideration since they have such short range consideration.
This doesn't include the Heavy turbo Laser...(ship to ship) weapons the ISD is equiped with. They MAY be on the same level of Federation Phasers but they can be out manuvered and any Federation ship is better equipped with ship to ship weaponry than Star Destroyers.
Star Destroyer have only 8 ship to ship weapons.
A Miranda class ship is equipped with 6 ship to ship phaser banks and two High Power Beams.
This ship is a match for Imperial Star Destoryers weapons wise. (no consideration for shield strenght) Most Federation star ships of the 24th century have 12 to thirteen ship to ship weapons and anti ship torpedoes. All of the armorment at proper firing arcs.
Meanwhile the ISD can only fire two turrets forward (STS Turrets) and the other ships out to the sides. The ISD has no aft armorment at all for ship to ship engagements. It a horribly designed model at best.
[QUOTE=Saquist;1627568]Very!!!
....Well Done.
I disagree with taking out an Eclipse so Easily but the drama adequetly simulates the vast lacking Star Wars has toward Trek fire power and shields....Good JOB Enterprise B[/QUOTE]
:thankyou:
Yeah, and the gimp/butt slave Imp officer, the captain calling him a bitch, I decieded to add that in. Though the situation Hellblade put forth with the IMP, doing certain [I]things[/I] on his bridge kinda inspired me.
Well, but the fact I didn't destroy them with a single phaser is realistic enough.
lets face it a 8 times more powerfull than than a standard turbo laser Trek has little to fear from 60 turbo lasers with only enough range to shoot down fighters. Federation ships would venture close enought to even find out nor would they be in range for long.
I've Flown the Defiant modifed according to these specifications and she can essentially take out three ISD's thorugh a gaunlet of laser fire from three diffent directions. Her time was bested several times by the computer taking control
My best time at 1500 hit point on each of Defiants guns was a 4:00 battle. The computer kills them much faster.
[QUOTE=USS Enterprise-B;1628104]:thankyou:
Yeah, and the gimp/butt slave Imp officer, the captain calling him a bitch, I decieded to add that in. Though the situation Hellblade put forth with the IMP, doing certain [I]things[/I] on his bridge kinda inspired me.
Well, but the fact I didn't destroy them with a single phaser is realistic enough.[/QUOTE]
It was a very nice demonstration.:)
Just watched all six movies...
yeah... pathetic attempts at "shielding" failed miserably...
That Naboo Starfighter had MISSILES that made a very small explosion... the big boom was the reactor cooking off.
Saquist, why does it seem that you hate several Fed ships? I saw on previos posts that all you do is critisize Fed ships? Do you have a favorite class?
[QUOTE=Kittamaru;1630164]Just watched all six movies...
yeah... pathetic attempts at "shielding" failed miserably...
That Naboo Starfighter had MISSILES that made a very small explosion... the big boom was the reactor cooking off.[/QUOTE]
The reactor that was for some reason located in the hanger bay and was completely unshielded?:p