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[QUOTE=USS Enterprise-B;1518165]What about Admiral Dourghty, ST: Insurrection was pretty greedy, and what about the Maquis?[/QUOTE]
There are always a few exceptions, I guess, but the Maquis were defending their homeland, and they officially withdrew from the Federation.
Anyone on this world or the Galaxy Far Far Away would rather live in the Federation than [B][U]ANY[/U][/B] day.
Yes, meaning it isn't the perfect Utopia, if such a violation to the Prime Directive occured in the Federation Council, that wouldn't be much of a Utopia if the very princible that the Federation was broken now would it?
Something I never understood: The night shift.
I mean... Voyager time is night... but its the enemy's night too?
Nothing ever happens on the night shift.
Can someone explain it to me?
You saw that episode? VOY: 'Warhead'? I don't know about that, I think their may have been times when someone has had to wake up Janeway.
[QUOTE=USS Enterprise-B;1518875]You saw that episode? VOY: 'Warhead'? I don't know about that, I think their may have been times when someone has had to wake up Janeway.[/QUOTE]
I got my DVR to record every ST episode...
Yeah, it came on like yesterday or something.
[QUOTE=halo07guy;1517593]No, its not Universe crossing. Its galaxy crossing. The SW galaxies are closer to the center of the Big Bang by 1.2 billion lightyears. We don't know how long it would take them to get to ST. Thats why I said they could arrive at any time. They could arrive when the dinos were still around and have a foothold in the Milky Way long before humans even evolve. Thats my point. They could arrive at any time in ST and Human history. Also, isn't temporal shielding extreamly expensive? I mean in terms of resources and construction time. If so I doubt all the planets have it, which would lead to them and anything connected to them's demise (As the planet never existed past the 24th century, events on it never happened.) Also, consider that whenever ST goes back in time, it just drills into another, but very similar, Universe. AT least, thats the way it was explained I think.[/QUOTE]
1. The expense of temporal shielding is irrelevant. The Relativity has it (and whatever other time-ships their crew alluded to), it's functional and they can survive a temporal incursion.
2. The Relativity exists as a canon part of the Trek Universe proper. It will only preserve the Universe that we are discussing.
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Also, notice the opeing crawl says galaxy. Have you ever seen the movies? Its says galaxy, not Uinverse.[/QUOTE]
It says "In a galaxy far, far away". This can be interpreted as another Universe I guess.
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Also, I could say the same of ST, since it also doesn't follow the laws of physics. Transporting organic matter would be impossible in real life, simply because by the time that you figure out where all the subatomic particles inside a person are, they've moved. And then theres the problem of transporting the feeling of self-awareness, whih is something your born with. And then you have to figure out a way to make a one way transport work, without a re-assembling machine on the other side.[/QUOTE]
1. Self awareness is a function of the brain, which is an electrical device. Replicate it exactly, and it will continue to be self aware.
2. There has already been a successful teleport of one atom, with zero destruction. Do not discount transporters as impossible, maybe just not as yet feasible for organic matter.
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And while warp theory exists in real-life, it is just that, a theory. That does not mean it is physically possible to expand and contract space-time with a machine.[/QUOTE]
Neither is it physically possible to open a rift in space into a theoretical hyperspace with a machine, what's your point?
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"Why are their humans in another part of the Universe"...remember the 24th centurty Roman Empire in ST? They are humans in every sense of the word and developed on another planet. And yet you think that it is un-realistic for there to be Humans in another galaxy. You think its realistic for a 24th century Roman Empire to exist, but not a human civilization in another galaxy? Ever heard of the theory of Paralellel Development? It means that two civilizations of identical species can develop in compleate isolation from each other. Thats what happened in ST. And yet you think it can't happen in SW. Might I ask why you've never seen any of the SW movies, or never paid attention to them?[/QUOTE]
The "24th Century Roman Empire" was considered a seeding from planet Earth. However, I would grant this point, I won't challenge the plausibility of humans in another galaxy. That just ruins the whole thing doesn't it?
[QUOTE=FoolFromHell;1518871]Something I never understood: The night shift.
I mean... Voyager time is night... but its the enemy's night too?
Nothing ever happens on the night shift.
Can someone explain it to me?[/QUOTE]
This is (mainly) a plot device. Rarely would we want to see an episode where Janeway or Chakotay is in command. VOY gave Kim a couple times on the captain's chair, Tuvok as well, and the EMH almost an entire two-part episode in command.
Further, military duty rosters would not allow for Janeway, Chakotay and Tuvok's shifts to have a large lapse between at least one of them being on the bridge.
Also, if something happens when Janeway is asleep, she's roused and summoned to the bridge. It's the nature of her job.
It dosent seem right that SW has humans. Do they have an Earth also? it doesn't make any sense. I dont see how it would work to have the same race in two different galaxies (or universes).
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It says "In a galaxy far, far away". This can be interpreted as another Universe I guess.
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Well.
Its in the same galaxy as OUR universe.
As in, the Earth with the USA, Canada, Chine, etc.
In the ST universe, its different.
The Eugenics war happened in the 90s, and We should have started colonizing the stars.
Obviously, its different universes.
Meaning, its an invasion of universes. Not galaxies.
[QUOTE=USS Enterprise-A;1519631]It dosent seem right that SW has humans. Do they have an Earth also? it doesn't make any sense. I dont see how it would work to have the same race in two different galaxies (or universes).[/QUOTE]
to many things are the same even if we ignore the language similarities and the accents.
clothing
names
written language... (note: "X" wing and "Y" wing)
apparently Star War's culture started from modern day 20 century.
[QUOTE=USS Enterprise-A;1519631]It dosent seem right that SW has humans. Do they have an Earth also? it doesn't make any sense. I dont see how it would work to have the same race in two different galaxies (or universes).[/QUOTE]
Naw, I'd have to give the Warsies this one...ST has explored the multiverse thing already (2 Kirks, 2 Benjamin Siskos, 2 Mileses etc)...SW never specifically mentioned Earth was not present, so we can allow that the humans in SW are at the very least some sort of offshoot or recolonization.
But this is precisely what would make it a Universe clash, different historys would seem to demarcate Universal barriers rather than Galactic.
It think it's galactic no Universal...
Obviously to me and perhaps no one else...but this galaxy is so far away that it constitute a different space time. We could actually exist in the same universal set up however the distance would make even Hyperspeed travel elapse in periods of millenia. Thus "a long time ago...in a galaxy far far away."
according to that opening line...Earth is in the same universe as the Star Wars story.
[QUOTE=Saquist;1519790]It think it's galactic no Universal...
Obviously to me and perhaps no one else...but this galaxy is so far away that it constitute a different space time. We could actually exist in the same universal set up however the distance would make even Hyperspeed travel elapse in periods of millenia. Thus "a long time ago...in a galaxy far far away."
according to that opening line...Earth is in the same universe as the Star Wars story.[/QUOTE]
I could grant this too...it does however put the final nail in the coffin that 30th century Feds would halt a Warsie incursion. You are hinting at the distant past (wherever they're placed) catching up with the far future.
[QUOTE=Saquist;1519790]It think it's galactic no Universal...
Obviously to me and perhaps no one else...but this galaxy is so far away that it constitute a different space time. We could actually exist in the same universal set up however the distance would make even Hyperspeed travel elapse in periods of millenia. Thus "a long time ago...in a galaxy far far away."
according to that opening line...Earth is in the same universe as the Star Wars story.[/QUOTE]
Yes, but this is Lucas we're talking about, he just want's his audeince to have a point of reference in a completely different realm.
And regarding this, how come people use Vader because he's dead? I mean I've gotten proven wrong for using already destroyed/killed ships, stations, machines/people.
[QUOTE=USS Enterprise-B;1519827]Yes, but this is Lucas we're talking about, he just want's his audeince to have a point of reference in a completely different realm.
And regarding this, how come people use Vader because he's dead? I mean I've gotten proven wrong for using already destroyed/killed ships, stations, machines/people.[/QUOTE]
Exactly, what is teh point of canon?
Anything and everything?
or the New Republic?
or what?
[QUOTE=USS Enterprise-B;1519827]Yes, but this is Lucas we're talking about, he just want's his audeince to have a point of reference in a completely different realm.
And regarding this, how come people use Vader because he's dead? I mean I've gotten proven wrong for using already destroyed/killed ships, stations, machines/people.[/QUOTE]
About the only thing you can use Vader for is an example of the possible abilities of a Sith follower. But Warsies selectively remember who's dead and what's destroyed when it favours them.
Warsies even use the specific weaknesses of Enterprise D. Arguably the most popular Enterprise, it remains that it crashed into a planet. Galaxy class vessels since then have been upgraded, thus the particular weaknesses of Enterprise D no longer apply.
Boy. This thread is slowing down!!
[QUOTE=halo07guy;1517921]I mean realistically, transporting sentient matter would be impossible. Anything with a brain would have to have its feeling of self-awareness transported as well. That isn't really a physical thing. Its not composed of atoms.
I recall there being a Roman Empire that Picard encountered on a planet.[/QUOTE]
Actually, the human soul has weight, mass, and energy. When you die, the human body looses some weight IMEDIATELY. Not water loss, not matter loss, just... weight loss. No real scientific explanation.
Guys, remember one thing:
In ST: Canon, we have SEEN the Future Federation ships.
Thus, NOTHING has happened to preven the Future Federation.
Thus, if SW attacks before then, SW looses.
If SW attacks after the Future Federation's time period, it looses as they will use temporal incursion to stop the attack before it starts.
thus, SW can NOT win against ST.
[QUOTE=Kittamaru;1520264]Actually, the human soul has weight, mass, and energy. When you die, the human body looses some weight IMEDIATELY. Not water loss, not matter loss, just... weight loss. No real scientific explanation.[/QUOTE]
Dude. Stop arguing the metaphysical.
Okay?