It is clear Star Trek will win, it has shields unlike Star War universe.
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It is clear Star Trek will win, it has shields unlike Star War universe.
[QUOTE=killallewoks;1508221]Star wars does have shields as it mentions when the Executer' sheild ball explodes one of the blokes says 'sir we've lost our bridge deflector shield'.
so star wars DOES have shields[/QUOTE]
Hmmmmmm... Many pages back TW Scott said that sphere was used for communications. Though I as well belive that is one of there "sheild" generators, but if they [B]do[/B] have sheilds, then why would they have two of their (if they have more than one) sheild generators exposed outside of their sheilds?:shrug:
And I like your avatar.
[QUOTE=draqon;1508629]It is clear Star Trek will win, it has shields unlike Star War universe.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Qui-Gon Jinn;1507831]ok fuck all of you star wars has sheilds and it will all ways win against anything in star trek and to all the trekkies FUCK YOU to all the Star Wars fans may the force be with you[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Enterprise-D;1508029]Thus far those screenshots only prove that the yellow scoutship has a shield. The first picture clearly shows zero shields on that ship. As do the countless screenshots of Wars battles.[/quote]
Actually any examination of the picture, and the proceeding frames, completely invalidates your theory. The framed prior to the one shown have a clearly visible bolt impacting a shield ABOVE the hull and splintering into a shower of bolts that refracted down into the hull. Shots form the AOTC and ROTS will confirm this, as will shots from ESB and ROTJ. Just becuase you find a few shots that seem to show a lack of shielding versus the many, many shots that clearly show shields, means nothing more than for some reason the shields were down then.
[quote]Very simple haloguy. The mere fact that it does not exist on any larger ships in all the movies suggests that the shield generator simply cannot project a bigger complex shield. It's called lack of power. Or lackluster emitters. Or some other factor that renders the Wars shield generator unusable or even [I]unwanted[/I] for larger vessels. [/quote]
However your analogy is hideously flawed
The New Republic Cruiser bringing Qui-Gon and Obi-wan had shields, the captain ordered them raised, but a tad too late.
The Droidekas had shields
The Gungan cities had shields
The Gungan Bongo transports had shields instead of glass.
The Naboo Royal Cruiser had shields.
The Gungans had portable theater grade shields that could cover sever square kilometers
The Trade federation Droid control ships had shields.
The Naboo Fighters had shields.
and all that just from the first damn movie.
The Federation Droid Control ship had shields
[quote]Hey, batteries exist on laptops, does that mean it is feasible to manufacture an internal battery for a Cray supercomputer?[/QUOTE]
Bad analogy, they do make battery packs for cray super computers, the ion batteries we use for laptops are miniaturizations of said units.
[QUOTE=USS Enterprise-B;1508630]Hmmmmmm... Many pages back TW Scott said that sphere was used for communications. Though I as well belive that is one of there "sheild" generators, but if they [B]do[/B] have sheilds, then why would they have two of their (if they have more than one) sheild generators exposed outside of their sheilds?:shrug:
And I like your avatar.[/QUOTE]
Actually the design specs show it as Communication, Sensors and Advanced Targetins array, thus why it is on the outisde of the ship. The Executor had been taking fire from 15+ warships for several minutes. Her shields were mostly shredded before the destruction of the port side sensor array. The resulkting explosion and feedback of the arrya being destroyed took out the triple redundant bridge deflectors.
[QUOTE=USS Enterprise-B;1508627]Yes, but even if they were hull hugging we should have seen some sheild impact, on ST: Nemesis the Ent-E's sheilds were as you would say it, hull hugging, and we saw sheild impacts, even though the sheilds were aproximately 3~5 meters off the hull.[/QUOTE]
3-5 meters, try 10 to 20 according to the scale on Enterprise E. However on a vessel 1600m, a single meter (as implicated by canon and non canon) would be indistinguishable. Actually even 5 meters would be virtually empty to naked eye. Second of all we know form the visuals of hits upon the Naboo fighter in the hangar bay there is NEGLEGIBLE VISIBLE EFFECT on a SW shield when it is struck.
[QUOTE=draqon;1508629]It is clear Star Trek will win, it has shields unlike Star War universe.[/QUOTE]
Finally! Thank you!!:thankyou:
[QUOTE=halo07guy;1507750]remember, shields are only visible in an atmosphere or when hit. If the shot had hit the hull, then why was there no explosion on-screen? Why was that part of the hull not destroyed? Face it, the shot hit shields and was scattered. The scattering of energy is what produces the flash of light. And how could it have hit if the green light curves? I know the bolt won't. And the bolt would destroy itself upon impact. Look at the picture closer.
And those shields were effective enough to hold off attacks from swarms of fighters, each one with computer controlled aiming.They just can't take a hit from a capital ship gun, in much the same way a fighter today can't take a hit from a 18.1 inch cannon, which was the caliber of guns on the Yamato, whose shells would split cruisers in half.. Of course overwhelming firepower will destroy the thing.
And I need to ask you how retarded you really are. If a shield generator is small enough and efficent enough to be mounted on a 8 meter long fighter, then why the fucking hell can't they mount one on a cruiser, station, planet, or battleship?! Use your head! it is called miniturazation, a process in which as technology gets more advanced, it also gets smaller. I am not saying that they just now figured out how to put shields on ships. I am saying that they have been putting shields on ships for millenia, and there is nothing in your power that you can do about it.
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I have none of the critical emotions. I have no sense of mercy or friendship. I cannot love. People who show weakness and are below you are to be exploited, used, and if need be, fractured. Such is the life of a person who has been scarred by their memories. Such was the way of several people throughout history. Such was the way of Oppenheimer. Did you not think that he did not regret the mass murder of thousands of innocent civilians? Did you not think that he was scarred for life by his realization that his creation would result in the deaths of billions for the rest of mankind's life? Did you not think that he could not sleep at night? If millions must die to usher in a new age for mankind, then so be it. If innocents must be killed for the greater good, then so be it.[/QUOTE]
It's so sad that losers like you verbally attack other people
on sites like these. I have very little to say other than: Get a life! Is this really how you expect to impact the world? You think that by playing the disturbed and tortutred person will get people to focus more on you? I have seen your kind, all you people want is attention, right? This world is messed, in fact, its fucked up, but by sitting down on your ass all day isn't going to change a thing. I'm not trying to insult your family, friends or your way of life, I'm only sugesting that if this is the way you live your life, rethink it before it's too late.
[QUOTE=TW Scott;1508643]Actually any examination of the picture, and the proceeding frames, completely invalidates your theory. The framed prior to the one shown have a clearly visible bolt impacting a shield ABOVE the hull and splintering into a shower of bolts that refracted down into the hull. Shots form the AOTC and ROTS will confirm this, as will shots from ESB and ROTJ. Just becuase you find a few shots that seem to show a lack of shielding versus the many, many shots that clearly show shields, means nothing more than for some reason the shields were down then.
[COLOR="Red"]No offense scott... but you used this exact same style of attack in the "Survivors" episode... one strange occurance among many standards and you took the one-out over the many.[/COLOR]
However your analogy is hideously flawed
The New Republic Cruiser bringing Qui-Gon and Obi-wan had shields, the captain ordered them raised, but a tad too late.
The Droidekas had shields
The Gungan cities had shields
The Gungan Bongo transports had shields instead of glass.
The Naboo Royal Cruiser had shields.
The Gungans had portable theater grade shields that could cover sever square kilometers
The Trade federation Droid control ships had shields.
The Naboo Fighters had shields.
and all that just from the first damn movie.
The Federation Droid Control ship had shields
[COLOR="Red"]Yes, Wars has shields. However, they don't always seem to be too effective.[/COLOR]
Bad analogy, they do make battery packs for cray super computers, the ion batteries we use for laptops are miniaturizations of said units. [COLOR="Red"]Yeah but said batteires don't last too long.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=TW Scott;1508646]3-5 meters, try 10 to 20 according to the scale on Enterprise E. However on a vessel 1600m, a single meter (as implicated by canon and non canon) would be indistinguishable. Actually even 5 meters would be virtually empty to naked eye. Second of all we know form the visuals of hits upon the Naboo fighter in the hangar bay there is NEGLEGIBLE VISIBLE EFFECT on a SW shield when it is struck.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="Red"]Scott, the Ent-E is only 750 or so meters long according to the specs stated in the three movies.[/COLOR]
[QUOTE=USS Exeter;1508658]It's so sad that losers like you verbally attack other people
on sites like these. I have very little to say other than: Get a life! Is this really how you expect to impact the world? You think that by playing the disturbed and tortutred person will get people to focus more on you? I have seen your kind, all you people want is attention, right? This world is messed, in fact, its fucked up, but by sitting down on your ass all day isn't going to change a thing. I'm not trying to insult your family, friends or your way of life, I'm only sugesting that if this is the way you live your life, rethink it before it's too late.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="Red"]Hold your tounge Exeter... Halo has proven himself a capable debater time and again. His one outburst is MORE than excusable.[/COLOR]
[quote]Originally Posted by TW Scott
Actually any examination of the picture, and the proceeding frames, completely invalidates your theory. The framed prior to the one shown have a clearly visible bolt impacting a shield ABOVE the hull and splintering into a shower of bolts that refracted down into the hull. Shots form the AOTC and ROTS will confirm this, as will shots from ESB and ROTJ. Just becuase you find a few shots that seem to show a lack of shielding versus the many, many shots that clearly show shields, means nothing more than for some reason the shields were down then.
[COLOR="Red"]No offense scott... but you used this exact same style of attack in the "Survivors" episode... one strange occurance among many standards and you took the one-out over the many.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
Really? You're going to try for that argument? You do relaize that you are treading thin water. The ONE incident used by the ST side to claim a lack of shields is easily explainable as the ship having it's shields pounded down through extended combat, especially since the ship did show signs of previous damage. Meanwhile there are countless other scenes with shields or direct explanation of the shields being down.
[QUOTE]However your analogy is hideously flawed
The New Republic Cruiser bringing Qui-Gon and Obi-wan had shields, the captain ordered them raised, but a tad too late.
The Droidekas had shields
The Gungan cities had shields
The Gungan Bongo transports had shields instead of glass.
The Naboo Royal Cruiser had shields.
The Gungans had portable theater grade shields that could cover several square kilometers
The Trade federation Droid control ships had shields.
The Naboo Fighters had shields.
and all that just from the first damn movie.
[COLOR="red"]Yes, Wars has shields. However, they don't always seem to be too effective.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
Okay so becuase a shield can be pounded down throyugh repeated force the shield is ineffective? You do realize that ST shields start leaking through damage before they even drop.
[QUOTE]Bad analogy, they do make battery packs for cray super computers, the ion batteries we use for laptops are miniaturizations of said units.
[COLOR="red"]Yeah but said batteires don't last too long.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
But they do exist completely invalidating his statement.
[QUOTE=Kittamaru;1508692][COLOR="Red"]Scott, the Ent-E is only 750 or so meters long according to the specs stated in the three movies.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
Yes and yet the blast that strike to the shields are easily discernable as seperate from the ship, even from a distance. The green glow of shield arcs is easily 2-3%of the ships length away from the hull.
Now compare this to ISD at 1600 meters and a shield hieght or 1 to 2 meters or roughly .1% of the ships length away. From any distance the blasts on the shield would be indistingusible from a hull hit.
[QUOTE=TW Scott;1508777]
Okay so becuase a shield can be pounded down throyugh repeated force the shield is ineffective?[/QUOTE]
Repeated force my ass, there are hardly any viewable shots, with hull impacts viewable from shot one, and there are NO visible shield impacts.
Oh PS, I did state that there are protective force fields...like on attack droids, army force fields etc...but I don't think the Gungans will fly their shielded cities into space to fight...many of the shield examples you gave says nothing about the relative worthlessness of any shields that Wars larger ships might have.
[QUOTE=TW Scott;1508777]
But they do exist completely invalidating his statement.[/QUOTE]
I challenge you to provide a reference for this; outside of battery packs for [I]supporting[/I] UPS devices, and the computers' cache (BIOS) battery.
[QUOTE=draqon;1508629]It is clear Star Trek will win, it has shields unlike Star War universe.[/QUOTE]
We do after all have the most ships on this discussion (I think). :D :cool:
There was one aspect of star wars space battles that I did not clearly understand. In episode III the battleships are coming close to each other to take shots at each other; just like in 18th, and 19th century ship battles! There are some problems with this, starting with the fact that there are three dimensions in space when those battleships have the main cannons mounted on the port and starboard sides of the vessels, secondly, close range ship combat is almost nonexistent today, why would they exist in such a futuristic day and age in the star wars universe?
[QUOTE=USS Exeter;1509167]why would they exist in such a futuristic day and
age in the star wars universe?[/QUOTE]
A long, long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away :)
[QUOTE=USS Exeter;1509167]There was one aspect of star wars space battles that I did not clearly understand. In episode III the battleships are coming close to each other to take shots at each other; just like in 18th, and 19th century ship battles! There are some problems with this, starting with the fact that there are three dimensions in space when those battleships have the main cannons mounted on the port and starboard sides of the vessels, secondly, close range ship combat is almost nonexistent today, why would they exist in such a futuristic day and age in the star wars universe?[/QUOTE]
Actually, I think this is (probably) for the same reason that old style sea ships do it. It's easier to board at close range without easily being repelled. See, they don't use transporters :)
Also, you must consider that giving a broadside does have some advantages, and shares some with old ships. if you do a broadside, you make a slimmer target for the enemy. Also, in the old days, you would never turn into or away from the enemys broadside. The attack would cause more damage becuase it would fly length wise instead of width wise if you just stayed there. Basically, don't do the maneuvar Captain Jack does in POTC:2 near the end.
Also, you must consider that we live in an age in which missles are the most powerful conventional weapons. Not so in SW. They are only used for point defense. The one exception to this is torpedos.Ships equipped with massive amounts of proton torpedos like the Invisible Hand can usually destroy a good section of a planet through bombardment. You see, fighter and ship mounted proton trpedos are different. Fighter mounted ones are intended for precision strikes and assualts against bases. Capital ships carry ones that can compleatly destroy a correlian corvette. There are several analogues to WW2 here. For example, ship torpedos are more powerful then fighter torpedos. 3 or 4 fighter torpedos can destroy a Liberty Ship while one Capital ship's torpedo will do the job. In this case, the "waterline" in space is the vacuuam.
Also, I have noticed that becuase of people not getting paid in ST, there is really no incentive for them to work at all. They might do because they want to, but given our reasoning, would you go to a job if you didin't get something in return. Also, while David Wong is wrong on several accounts, he is right about replicating everything you need in a battle. If you replicate a gun for someone, they still haven't been trained in it. If you replicate a tank, artillary, or aircraft, they still have no training in it and no ammo.