I think that were a teddy bear to be found by Star Trek, the Enterprise would adopt it as a pet..... Their just so cute!
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I think that were a teddy bear to be found by Star Trek, the Enterprise would adopt it as a pet..... Their just so cute!
[QUOTE=halo07guy;1501480]I think that were a teddy bear to be found by Star Trek, the Enterprise would adopt it as a pet..... Their just so cute![/QUOTE]
Lol correct, Deanna and Beverly Crusher would dote on it like a baby :)
And then they'll teach it to play jazz,blues, and do stand-up comedy!
lol :)
Hopefully Data won't be the comedy teacher...that'd be a mess
Yes...yes it would. (Robotic Voice)"Ha ha. Ha ha. Ha ha. Ha ha."
[QUOTE=Lord Vasago;1501233]I a little puzzled with St shields. Some people say there shield flikker so the can fire.
but if you see phasers fireing it's always for a few seconds at a time. Does this really mean there shields our down for these few seconds? that would be a real disaster.
Isn't it better to believe ST shields are more like our presentday mirror's where you can look trhough from the other side.
I know SW shields are build on that pricipal.[/QUOTE]
Wouldn't it be child's play to flicker the phaser beam as well. Think of it as a electronic equivalnet of the link used in WWI biplanes to let the gun fire through the prop.
If the shields were like mirrors, then you could transport out, which is simply not possible through the shields.
[QUOTE=Enterprise-D;1501236]TW, why do you behave so jacka$$ishly? Did I ever say they were "original"? I said more impressive...not original.[/QUOTE]
Actually I am just correcting jacka$$ish claims of others. And you said creative, which it obviously is not.
[QUOTE=Enterprise-D;1501243]We never disagreed that it was the Ewok home planet. Of course it was. The home field advantage swings many a contest or battle.
However...the creatures still look like teddy bears. They still used jungle items against technology juggernauts. I would indeed still be embarassed despite the fact that they had the home field advantage. Did no one think to withdraw the ground troups and mount an air attack? Or an orbital attack?[/quote]
First of all they may look like teddy bears, but that is no indication of how dangerous they are. Look at human beings we are furless, lacking large canines, calws or even a clublike tail. Yet we are the most dangerous predator on this planet.
Ewoks are not the only sentient being on the planet and yet somehow they survive quite well. They have engineering skills that mankind did not have until they were far out of the stone age. They don't just have homfield advantage, but they are uniquely suited to their enviroment. To them it is not a forest, but their home.
As for the troops falling back and calling in an airstrike or orbital bombardment there are a number of problems. The troops were surrounded by Ewoks, they could not all fit inside the shield generator. Airstrike would not work, as the trees are so frigging tall and the canopy would detonate any impact fuse devices. Finally an orbital bombardment is impossible in a shielded area. Remember the shield that was impenetrable that protected the Death Star, well the simulation clearly should it extended down to the planet where it was transmitted from. So and Orbital strike is out of the question.
So imagine 500 Airborne troopers versus 50 Navy CRT Seals and 1500 hunter warriors.
[quote]No LV, the helmet analogy perhaps explains exactly why the so-called Wars hull-hugging shields are sh*t. Picture this: take a large sheet of galvanized iron and encircle yourself with it, making sure the iron stands a foot away from your body on all sides, and plant the sheet properly in soil (i assume you'd try this on a field). Then let some folks fling rocks at it. I'm pretty sure you'd last for a while feeling no effect (other than a ringing in your ears).[/QUOTE]
Unfortunately your analogy is largely incorrect. What you have errected ina wall you have hidden behind, it is com,pletely indepndant of you. Considering ahtat a shiled generator would have to generate a field some distance away from itself. By the nature of this the generator and field would have some sort of feed back, move the generator field moves, put enough force on the field and the generator moves. Just the way it works.
So ST shields circa TNG produced a large bubble. this would akin to to creating a scylinder of sheet steel that was 1 foot from you and wearing a special harness so that you were carrying it as you moved. The shield will protect you from almost anything that hits, but obviously it will also get hit by things that would have missed you. Now if it were not attached this would not be a problem. This shield however with knock you about inside when the heavy stuff hits.
SW shields are by comparison, to the aboved mentioned sheet steal tube, a suit of Plate armor. As above it will protect you from thrown rocks and such, and yes large ones will thrash you about. However you provide less of a profile to be hit.
[QUOTE=Enterprise-D;1501276]Blah blah blah, self-serving [/quote]
yes, yes you are.
[QUOTE]I'll have a look at the DVD later and respond in kind.[/QUOTE]
Go ahead.
[QUOTE]I would grant you this much TW, personally I thought a better plan was to simply do the temporal shift at a distance from Earth to avoid all of Starfleet, then procede to stop First Contact when there'd be no starship resistance. But you know what...I can get over my own superior strategy to realise that hey...there'd be no movie if they did it that way.[/QUOTE]
But by applying suspension of disbelief we must assume that what was done in the movie was the absolute best plan the Borg could come up with.
[QUOTE]Likelyhood and actuality are two completely different things.
For example, from the movie visuals of Star Wars capital ships that it is likely to be true that a typical SSD would have a catastrophic design flaw that would allow a single Trek Defiant class starship piloted by one Ezri Dax and commanded by one Colonel Kira Nerys to fire one single photon torpedo into one single vent hole (or some outlandish lucky shot such as that) and blow up the entire Wars ship.
Yet you do not accept this as likely to be true. Why? Do you not play by your own rules?[/quote]
Okay, this has got to be one of your more inane argument. What we seen in the SW movies in no way supports such a claim. To find the ONE weeak spot on the Death Star, the Rebels had to have a complete blueprint and analyze them for hours. The Executor was only taken down becuase it's shields were brought down by concentrated firepower of more than a dozen Mon Calamari ships. Even this took several minutes of fire. Each second being literally thousands of gigatons of destructive energy. The likelihood of either happening is much akin as a scene of a threesome between Seven of Nine, Kira, and Ezri on the Bridge of the NCC1701 Enterprise.
[QUOTE]Of course TW...but the dynamite has to REACH two feet down to cause the explosion. Similarly, a torpedo or phaser would have to REACH the supposed antimatter generator to cause an explosion. What's the likelyhood of that when twelve Borg cubes are in orbit thundering weapons fire across the attacking vessel?[/QUOTE]
Okay, dipstick, I was speaking of the inevitable accident, which given how easy it is to mess with borg networks is a guarantee.
[QUOTE]Of course it assumes a lot, eg the method of power generation used. That you assumed.[/QUOTE]
Actually we know the borg use Antimatter, already canon information.
[QUOTE]Of course they would. But who says they ever tried melee attacks? You can't show that. It is actually more likely that advanced races would consistently use high powered weapons. The more advanced the race, the more powerful the weapon. They'd think they have no need for melee, as opposed to vaporizing the invading Borg.[/QUOTE]
But as the borg adapt to weapons they become useless. thus EVERYONE with a corpereal body would have eventually resorted to melee attacks. Assuming otherwise is much like admitting you have no brains.
[QUOTE]TW...I was merely pointing out that since power is directly proportional to potential difference (which is not restricted to electricity btw), it is plausible that a weapon or amplifier can be conceivably invented to maximize this relationship. Which is why i used variable source 'x' instead of current 'I'. You are using your own limited knowledge that may not actually apply in a sci fi show. [COLOR="Blue"]There are few technologies in the genre that follow all the laws of physics as we know them now...[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
Okay, so you are defying one piece of physica ST has been scrupulous about obeying. Yeah, mmmhmmm. Sorry but your argument makes no sense. If they had the ability to amplify power like that why would they need 8 ships? Right there your argument works against you.
Also Potential difference is part of power, however rules of the universe state increase Potential difference and other things will lower to compensate. You need both for the final outcome. Thus you end with the same energy
[QUOTE][COLOR="blue"]...for example Hyperdrive?[/COLOR]
[COLOR="blue"]...for example Light Sabers?[/COLOR]
[COLOR="blue"]...for example all aspects of The Force?[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
However that isn't what you are doing. The three things you list are in universe description and part of the suspension of dibelief. BTW a lightsaber is easily possible, the other two are not impossible.
We are never told what the center ship was or how it works. That means we have to base our ideas off of visuals and what we know of science.
[QUOTE]Why? Did you never hear of micro-engineering?[/QUOTE]
Yes, but it does not seem to be applicable here, or perhaps it does and it is still 50% to 90%. I am basing my hypothesis on the fact that the center ship never fired anything but that pulse.
[QUOTE]Next you'll be telling me you actually majored in physics and taught it for 10 years.[/QUOTE]
No, but I did ace it. I'm actually a Systems Analyst.
[QUOTE]AH. Your post was a bit ambiguous. I should have expected really, given the raw emotion that you pour into your illogical ravings.
Voyager did not experience any portion of the Species weapon. They were even protected from the shockwave by being dragged off by Seven's Cube.[/QUOTE]
Okay, intentional misunderstanding on your part again. A bioship had fired on voyager. If, as some people claim, the ships provided 1/8th the energy to destory a planet, then Voyager should have been vaporized.
[quote]Yes.[/QUOTE]
Really? You must have a differen version than I do.
They've already made a lightsaber. The componets are huge, taking up all the space in the building, but it does create a lightsaber. And given how things get smaller as the years go on, we could very well end up with lightsaber fights in the next 50-60 years or so.
[QUOTE=Kittamaru;1501292]Exactly Ent-D. This harmonic frequency can be adjusted to best defend against incoming weapons fire. At the same time their weapons fire is adjusted to fire cleanly OUT thru their own shields though they cannot re-enter their shields.
Vasago - the reason we're getting our asses handed to us in Iraq is because we don't even know who we're fighting. Family ties are the #1 thing over there - you kill a families father, now that family and their extended family hates you and will fight you to the death. We claim to be fighting terrorists... but why are we fighting actual militia? Those cowards hide behind innocent people and when those innocents die, we are labeled as evil and warmongers and our soldiers are tried for murder. Pardon me, but I thought we were at fucking war. This shit happens... what was Pearl Harbor? What was the USS Indianapolis? I don't care if the prisoners at Guantanamo Bay are treated like shit, they are PRISONERS OF WAR... somehow I don't THINK Prisoners should get five star accomodations like most people think they should. Then again, we give that to our own death-row inmates... most of them live better IN prison than they did OUT of prison...
This country is in dire need of change... problem is, the minority is shouting far louder than the majority! All these bleeding hearts complain and whine... they deserve to be SHOT. Video games cause violence, BULLSHIT. Stupid children raised by parents who should NOT have been allowed to reproduce cause violence. I've played "violent, bloody" video games since I was eight years old. You know what, I'd MUCH rather handle a disagreement with words, but I KNOW for a fact I can hold my own should it come to blows. It is the PARENTS responsibility to raise their damn children and to watch what they play and watch. After all, there is this little thing called an ESRB rating... if it's over their age set, or you think it's too violent, DON'T FUCKING BUY IT! It's THAT SIMPLE!
Come on... try and tell me I'm wrong on this one. The US needs to buck up, shut up those loud idiots that don't know what their talking about, nuke congress and the senate and most of the White House and start FRESH. We need a human being, an average, middle class working man, as president. Not some political bullshitter who never had to work a real day in his life. Obama? He'll get us all killed. Hillary? She'll be assassinated the first month! The others? All but ONE of them sucks in my opinion. Why? They have all bad mouthed each other and tried to make the others look bad... yet they like to dodge the question of how THEY would do things differently... all but ONE. If I remember right, it's Rudy Giuliani that I would vote for. I haven't heard a single piece of trash talking out of his mouth... but then again, I stopped following the election cause I don't want ANY of those deranged lunatics in. Not one of them is you're normal average blue-collar guy... Hell, if Hillary gets in she'll be killed by her bodyguards... have you SEEN how she treats the ones she has now as an Ex First Lady and Representitive of New York? She treats them like GARBAGE! NO! DO NOT LET HER IN FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!
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I could go on and on but there's no reason... if you want a political debate PM me and we'll have it but suffice it to say that the US/Iraq thing is NOT a good comparison to the Ewok/Empire thing.
Oh, and BTW- there IS a reason we didn't find and WMD's in iraq... they never were there. Saddam sure as hell had them, but why the HELL would he be dumb enough to keep them where people would look for them. They are where he got them from in the first place... don't ask how I know this, just trust me. They do exist and with him out of the way I fear thinking who's hands they are in now.[/QUOTE]
Hey hey I'm not gonna debate politics in here i was just refurring to us/iraq to make my point clear on how a small group in it's own enviroment can kick a large agressor's butt.
The moment Bush was elected many europeans took a big *sigh* en knew it wouldn't be long before the us was at war. but as i said I have no intention to be debating things i don't give a fu** about.
[QUOTE=TW Scott;1501994]Wouldn't it be child's play to flicker the phaser beam as well. Think of it as a electronic equivalnet of the link used in WWI biplanes to let the gun fire through the prop.
If the shields were like mirrors, then you could transport out, which is simply not possible through the shields.[/QUOTE]
It would be interessting though, you can transport bombs out wihout lowering your shields and yet nothing can come through. I find that very interessenting. ... but then again transporters aren't my cup of thee. give me a lamda shuttle any day:)
[QUOTE=halo07guy;1502087]They've already made a lightsaber. The componets are huge, taking up all the space in the building, but it does create a lightsaber. And given how things get smaller as the years go on, we could very well end up with lightsaber fights in the next 50-60 years or so.[/QUOTE]
great maybe i see my grandson swinging away with a real one. Mine's just an el-tube :) :D :D
The problem is, the shield "flicker" means that to get thru them you must have the EXACT frequency, otherwise you still hit them...
Of course the weapons have a "flicker"... modulation, amplitude, power... it's STILL an electrical discharge, just like the Blasters from Star Wars. They MUST have a frequency or else they are not electrical anymore... they are a plasma.
[QUOTE=Kittamaru;1502168]The problem is, the shield "flicker" means that to get thru them you must have the EXACT frequency, otherwise you still hit them...
Of course the weapons have a "flicker"... modulation, amplitude, power... it's STILL an electrical discharge, just like the Blasters from Star Wars. They MUST have a frequency or else they are not electrical anymore... they are a plasma.[/QUOTE]
So if I read you wright, plasma can get through ST shields? Is that a bit dangerous ? I'm not talking about SW here but in general. If they came against a foo that uses plasmaguns they would be done for? Or do they use something else to protect against plasma?
Bet scott will find plasmaguns in his books:D joke
Dont the yuuzhan vong have plasma weapons?
Sorry kitt i think i read your post wrong. you mean the shields are plasma?
I'll posting my last post for a while because my wife has to give birth on monday. yeeeh another trooper on the way:D
I don't know how it is exacty called in english. i think c-section or something like that. my forth kid by the way:D
i like to sum it up in this;
why i like st but love sw.
sw except for hyperdrive everything in uptanable. even jedi forces resemble telekinese and stuff
st has tomany contradictions to beat SW
a lot of things just defiece all logic
transporters: allthough i believe we would eventually have transporters, beaming peole across space is a big no-no
warpspeed: compressing and expanding space ? even if it where possible you would never be able to warp around a ship. your ship would be several times on the same space at a time.
also powerlevels of weapons and shields are allways different and i'm not talking about yield percentage i talking about maximum power.
Although i admit if you see the battle of endor you see at-st blast a tree with one shot and the other shot just gives a spark on an ewok.
Must be a strong furr lol
The Heisenberg Uncertanity is called such because you nevr know where every electron, neutron, and proton is in the human body. It is technologically impossible. You would need to have an extreamly finedtuned scanner that operated on a quantum level, and then you have to take a "picture" of things that are moving around at the speed of light. And then you have to force the things to reassemble at the other end, which is impossible without another machine down there. And even if you do transfer the physically, in reality there would be no way to transfer your mind. You couldn't transfer what your thinking, you memory's, or even your feeling of self-being. It would essentially be murder. And I'm sorry I'm such a kill joy.
Also, as for Hyperspace not being realistic, with quantum physics, it easily becomes realistic in the forseeable future. You see, they can drop out of space at any star or in the middle of space, but a star is generally easier. Now the reason for this is simple. All objects in space have a gravitational attraction to the other objects in space. Now we know that the gravity of the sun is so attractive, it bends light, allowing us to see stars directly behind it in an eclipse. Now if there is an area where two or more stars gravity over-lap, it is likely it could cause a fracture in space-time and create a route between the two stars. Now I know that all sounds way to unrealistic, but black holes are considred fractures in space-time, litterally being ripped into the Universe's "skin". They have the strongest gravity in the Universe, and distort space-time, creating an unescapable vaccuam. If two or more stars gravity overlap, you could have a weaking of space-time that would distort modern physics or make them unapplicable. I know that it seems unlikely, but a stars gravity is so strong, they can orbit another star lightyears away. Does any of this sound likely? Or am I going on a rant?
[QUOTE=halo07guy;1502267]The Heisenberg Uncertanity is called such because you nevr know where every electron, neutron, and proton is in the human body. It is technologically impossible. You would need to have an extreamly finedtuned scanner that operated on a quantum level, and then you have to take a "picture" of things that are moving around at the speed of light. And then you have to force the things to reassemble at the other end, which is impossible without another machine down there. And even if you do transfer the physically, in reality there would be no way to transfer your mind. You couldn't transfer what your thinking, you memory's, or even your feeling of self-being. It would essentially be murder. And I'm sorry I'm such a kill joy.
Also, as for Hyperspace not being realistic, with quantum physics, it easily becomes realistic in the forseeable future. You see, they can drop out of space at any star or in the middle of space, but a star is generally easier. Now the reason for this is simple. All objects in space have a gravitational attraction to the other objects in space. Now we know that the gravity of the sun is so attractive, it bends light, allowing us to see stars directly behind it in an eclipse. Now if there is an area where two or more stars gravity over-lap, it is likely it could cause a fracture in space-time and create a route between the two stars. Now I know that all sounds way to unrealistic, but black holes are considred fractures in space-time, litterally being ripped into the Universe's "skin". They have the strongest gravity in the Universe, and distort space-time, creating an unescapable vaccuam. If two or more stars gravity overlap, you could have a weaking of space-time that would distort modern physics or make them unapplicable. I know that it seems unlikely, but a stars gravity is so strong, they can orbit another star lightyears away. Does any of this sound likely? Or am I going on a rant?[/QUOTE]
Dude you really know what you're talking about. yeehaa hyperspace is uptanable. so infact everything in SW is. Me sa like Me sa like very much