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Eh. That website explains everything.
Unfortunately, its only Federation vs. Empire. The Federation is at a disadvantage, but whatever.
The wiki has ads if you dont pay.
Oh, Star trek IS at a disadvantage- numericly they are fucked.
however, it's a matter of quality vs quantity. Eventually Trek would win out. Capital ships would be destroyed with large numbers of smaller vessels unlaunched and, with the Rebels help, Trek ships would adapt a sort of HyperWarp technology allowing them to travel even faster than HyperSpace allows.
But there is the problem of 22,500 ships coming from one planet in 40 years. Not even starbase or any shipyard world that I'm aware of in ST can produce that many ships per year (563 ships per year at one planet). Now take that number and and add it to the dozen or so other shipyard worlds in SW ( Mon Calamari, Sullust, Correlia, Jabim, etc) , and you get a huge amount of ship produced yearly. And I made a Sherman/Tiger comparison for a reason. I highly doubt a galaxy or even a Soverein can withstand the combined might of five ISDs. That considrably small fleet represents a huge army. just one ISD is all it takes to subjugate world. If an ISD were to attack an undefended world, then you can kiss that world goodbye.
[QUOTE=Kittamaru;1491557]Oh, Star trek IS at a disadvantage- numericly they are fucked.
however, it's a matter of quality vs quantity. Eventually Trek would win out. Capital ships would be destroyed with large numbers of smaller vessels unlaunched and, with the Rebels help, Trek ships would adapt a sort of HyperWarp technology allowing them to travel even faster than HyperSpace allows.[/QUOTE]
Which dubs my idea that the feds would ally with the rebs, sharing technolegy and maximizing their potential, rebs -> Hyperspace (though it doesn't abide by physics) weaponry/sheilds <- feds but then their's the prime directive...
I bet the Feds would love to get their hands on a Jar Jar Cannon.....
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no... they'd demolecuarize him and never put him back together.
[QUOTE=FoolFromHell;1490487]So what? Pluto isnt a planet in 2366. Kim could have said that "it can destroy a moon"... But he said Planet.
And, even pluto per torpedo is a LOT. DS9 has about 3000 torpedos... Enough to blow up Earth MANY times over.
Small Planet != Planetoid/moon[/quote]
Small problem, when Kim was quoted as saying this current line of scientific though was that Plutto was a planet.
You will also not Earth is the only plaent in our solar system with such a large moon comparitively. Phobos and Deimos are smaller than new york city for pete's sake.
[QUOTE]But Tuvok didnt contradict him. Tuvok always contradicts those who say something that is wrong. There are MANY jokes about him in the show about how he is a stickler for the truth. He is respected for being truthful and even aliens respect him for his truthfulness.[/QUOTE]
Hello? Isn't this the same Tuvok who was working as a Federation Spy in the Maquis? See right there we show an incident when he lied. Plus Harry asked if they were blowing up a small planet, not saying that the torpedo could indeed destroy a planet. We have witnessed incidents where 20 isoton warheads were used on planets and the effect was no more dramatic than 20th century Artiallery shells. We have seen one fail to vaporize and asteroid. We have seen them generally be less impressive than convential 21st century explosives.
[quote]Why would Tuvok lie? And Spock was half human. He isnt a Vulcan like Tuvok.
Tuvok had NO reason to lie whatsoever.[/QUOTE]
Did tuvok lie, all he said was "I don't know." never saying once that the torpedo could or could not destroy a world.
[QUOTE=FoolFromHell;1491177]I am using technicalities since Scott uses them and thinks his arguments are valid. Anyway. Its a stupid A-Wing fighter. It shouldnt do much damage against a 8 KILOMETER LONG WARSHIP. Imperial armor is weak. A US Carrier nowadays can survive a few hits from a fighter jet going at subsonic speeds. the Imperials dont stand a chance against the Federation. ST Ships are relatively weak. Im sure the Empire wont think of them as much of a threat, causing their downfall. [/quote]
Okay, moron, the Executor is nearly 18 kilometers long, first of all. Second as I have explained again and again. The A-wing smashed through the Bridge cuasing a good deal of damage, the worst of which was shorting the controlls so that the Executor started Accelerating and turning towards the Death Star. The ship was largely intact and might have even remained in battle, if the high speed impact had not brought it to crash against the Death Star with it's ultradense armor belt.
Also a Subsonice fighter could easily tear off the con tower of an Aircraft carrier. If the destruction of the con tower cuased a short that cuased the bvessel to run aground or ram a fuel ship then you anaology would be incorrect.
[QUOTE]In Ep6, the Battle Station is FULLY OPERATIONAL.
Why a planetary shield then? I may be a "Semantics Whore", but answer me this. WHY A PLANETARY SHIELD if the Death Star is fully operational?[/QUOTE]
Why not? After all protecting your ultimate wepaon is a smart thing to do. Plus the rebels would never have believed they built it undefended.
[QUOTE]No one would use use a fully armed torpedo on a planet where civilians would be living.[/QUOTE]
Really? They have before.
[QUOTE][B][U]My "One torpedo can blow up a planet" is my way of saying that the shows and books give implausible numbers to impress people. The same is true for the ICS books. The 12.7 gigaton figures are contradicted in EVERY SINGLE MOVIE, yet Scott sticks to them. If he can stick to a secondary canon source that gives implausible numbers, ST can have the "destroy a planet/torpedo" from a primary source. It doesn't matter if there are contradictions! Scott's contradictions are from higher canon, but it doesn't matter to him. Our contradictions are from same-level canon, so it should matter less.[/U][/B][/QUOTE]
The 12.5 gigatons number has NOT been contradicted even one. I would tend to believe someone with a PhD over a random idiot on the internet.
[QUOTE]He forgets that SW ships need atleast a minute to make calculations to warp speed and that ST ships can fire from TENS OF THOUSANDS OF KILOMETERS AWAY and the Photon Torpedo can be traveling at Warp Speeds. Nothing SW can dodge SW fire. ST Ships can run at Warp speeds and can maneuver so precisely, that it can run circles around any SW ship at atleast Warp 5 while the SW ship is going at less than 50% C, max. SW ships will never EVER be able to hit a ST ship. SW fire goes <[I]c[/I], and all SW ships can travel at many times [I]c[/I] and maneuver at the same time.
He makes stupid arguments on the ST side.[/QUOTE]
Actually it takes a minute for a ship to calculate on the fly, Don't you think navication would have nothing better to do than to continously plot a hyperspace route while in flight.
Also those torpedoes are not travelling .5c even on a good day. They can do warp, if fired from a vessel moving at warp.
Also we have not seen a ship travel faster than .5C and fire since TOS. It is like they lost the ability.
[quote]Its the same queen, but the effects of time travel made 2 copies of the queen. The borg have command over many dimensions, explaining the multiple queens in the show.
He bases his power of turbolasers on crappy special effects from 1977... Just because FX tech has evolved in the next 20 years to make scenes more realistic shouldnt mean that ST should be penalized. He ignores the parts of the prequels which contradict his power statement. Thats NOT an unbiased view of St vs Sw. Its completely biased against ST.[/QUOTE]
Actually they never say it is the same queen that runs the Borg circa First Contact as circa The next generation. In fact they allude to the fact in different series that when one queen dies another is chosen. Meaning it is just a function of the collective.
As for the SW effects, to make an argument using suspension of disbelief, one must assume what is on screen is reality. FOr this argument there is no FX guy, no script, no director.... Meaning the appearance 1977 effects (which were revolutionary in movie making) were exactly what the reality was.
Also the prequels disprove nothing. Hell AOTC we saw a weapon the size of a hat box create an effect that would have made a quantum torpedo jealous.
[QUOTE=TW Scott;1491772]Small problem, when Kim was quoted as saying this current line of scientific though was that Plutto was a planet.
[COLOR="Red"]Uhm... yeah. Shut up[/COLOR]
You will also not Earth is the only plaent in our solar system with such a large moon comparitively. Phobos and Deimos are smaller than new york city for pete's sake.
[COLOR="Red"]... I'm not even going to bother...[/COLOR]
Hello? Isn't this the same Tuvok who was working as a Federation Spy in the Maquis? See right there we show an incident when he lied. Plus Harry asked if they were blowing up a small planet, not saying that the torpedo could indeed destroy a planet. We have witnessed incidents where 20 isoton warheads were used on planets and the effect was no more dramatic than 20th century Artiallery shells. We have seen one fail to vaporize and asteroid. We have seen them generally be less impressive than convential 21st century explosives.
[COLOR="Red"]mhm, scott, stop making up shit[/COLOR]
Did tuvok lie, all he said was "I don't know." never saying once that the torpedo could or could not destroy a world.[/QUOTE]
Scott, give it a rest... you're bullshit is tired. Even your OWN SIDE has started avoiding you!
[QUOTE=TW Scott;1491789]Okay, moron, the Executor is nearly 18 kilometers long, first of all. Second as I have explained again and again. The A-wing smashed through the Bridge cuasing a good deal of damage, the worst of which was shorting the controlls so that the Executor started Accelerating and turning towards the Death Star. The ship was largely intact and might have even remained in battle, if the high speed impact had not brought it to crash against the Death Star with it's ultradense armor belt.
[COLOR="Red"]Ultra dense... yet as the X-wings flew around and shot the laser turrets you could see the explosions going off INSIDE the ship (they showed those views) that is REAL dense Scott...[/COLOR]
Also a Subsonice fighter could easily tear off the con tower of an Aircraft carrier. If the destruction of the con tower cuased a short that cuased the bvessel to run aground or ram a fuel ship then you anaology would be incorrect.
[COLOR="Red"]Actually, modern day aircraft carriers can EASILY survive a subsonic impact. I can host videos as proof- F-14's, F/A-18's, even a fucking AWAC's plane have hit the bridge. Yes, there is damage to the superstructure, but it doesn't do anything critically damaging.[/COLOR]
Why not? After all protecting your ultimate wepaon is a smart thing to do. Plus the rebels would never have believed they built it undefended.
[COLOR="Red"]If it needed a planetary shield, it OBVIOUSLY wasn't mobile...[/COLOR]
Really? They have before.
Not in Star Trek, unless they wanted planetary destruction. The most they have WANTED so far is to wipe it clean (founders)
The 12.5 gigatons number has NOT been contradicted even one. I would tend to believe someone with a PhD over a random idiot on the internet.
[COLOR="Red"]Yet you and Wong and a bunch of your rabid friends have done just that- ignored the people with the PhD who say your numbers are BULLSHIT![/COLOR]
Actually it takes a minute for a ship to calculate on the fly, Don't you think navication would have nothing better to do than to continously plot a hyperspace route while in flight.
Also those torpedoes are not travelling .5c even on a good day. They can do warp, if fired from a vessel moving at warp.
[COLOR="Red"]Already proven as more of your BS. They can do warp even when fired from a ship doing warp the OPPOSITE direction. Proven in TNG[/COLOR]
Also we have not seen a ship travel faster than .5C and fire since TOS. It is like they lost the ability.
[COLOR="Red"]Uhm... do you WATCH TNG, Voyager, or DS9? Or how about Nemesis? The fucking disruptor smacked the hell out of the Ent-E while AT warp![/COLOR]
Actually they never say it is the same queen that runs the Borg circa First Contact as circa The next generation. In fact they allude to the fact in different series that when one queen dies another is chosen. Meaning it is just a function of the collective.
As for the SW effects, to make an argument using suspension of disbelief, one must assume what is on screen is reality. FOr this argument there is no FX guy, no script, no director.... Meaning the appearance 1977 effects (which were revolutionary in movie making) were exactly what the reality was.
[COLOR="Red"]Stop ASSuming scott. Use some facts instead- what the people in CHARGE wanted is WHAT COUNTS.[/COLOR]
Also the prequels disprove nothing. Hell AOTC we saw a weapon the size of a hat box create an effect that would have made a quantum torpedo jealous.
[COLOR="Red"]Mhm, that would be?[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
More bullshit scott...
Well, ST would have a little time, yes? The Federation can leave their worlds undefended: The Romulans, the only real threat in the Alpha Quadrant, will be too preoccupied with the Empire.
The Empire cant afford to leave their systems unguarded since their whole motto is "rule by fear", and the citizens wont have any fear with no ISDs hovering above their heads and will rebel. They will need to send a scouting fleet that will get detected. If the scouting fleet is detected, an Alliance can be formed. The Empire will take AAAGES to build enough fleets to guard their worlds and manage to attack Milky Way. in that case, the Bord are likely to capture atleast one ISD, incorporating the Hyperspace technology.
I doubht the Empire can afford to build 22,500 ISDs/year. Probably around a few dozen ISDs and a TON of support vessels and fighter craft.. There ARE Hundreds of TIE Fighters/ISD, right? I believe 72 squadrons? (correct me if I am wrong).
Hell. Section 31/Tal Shiar/Obsidian Order/other could send a sabotage mission to Kuat/Sullust/Mon Calamar/Other. The Empire has weak sensors, so the Defiant could cloak and attach to a damaged ISD's hull and the ISD would go to the ship yards, and the Defiant decloaks, and BOOM! dozens of tricobalt devices on the shipyards.
Or stick self-replicating mines. That would wreak havoc on the shipyards. Utter havoc. Namely because SW sensors cant even detect the mines, and they dont have replication tech, so they cant shut the grid down.
Then come Houdinis. Dominion-designed mines that hide in subspace and detonate when someone comes close. The Empire would have no idea how to detect those either. Release a few hundred over the Senate forum and...
[B][I]The best reason ST would win.
Remember. With thousands of worlds in the SW Galaxy, the Borg will be extremely enticed while the other species will only care about defense. So, the proven-to-be nearly indestructible borg will attack the Galaxy Far Far Away.
They like the one planet/ cube approach. So, they will go on the one planet/cube approach and the Empire doesnt have the resources to protect the ENTIRE GALAXY from a threat they dont know the arrival time of. The Empire cant detect Warp, much less Transwarp. Once a few thousand worlds are assimilated, it would take the Death Star to take them down, and the Death Star is a big, easy, tech target in the eyes of the Borg since there are thousands of hangar bays in which to invade. The Borg would snatch the Death Star if the Empire tries to use it. Or they would make a HUGE collective of THOUSANDS of worlds in the galaxy far far away, and send troops from within their own worlds. It would be EXTREMELY hard to eradicate a world of all borg if there are 10 billion+/World and you dont have a Death Star.
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This might take a long time, but in no way will the Milky Way lose by this time. The Empire doesnt have the forces to mount a full-scale attack, and the Borg will never be uprooted.
Didnt you hear my the first time, Scott?
[QUOTE]
[url]http://www.st-v-sw.net/Warsiegroup.html[/url]
SW writers are part of SW vs. ST debates and purposefully inflate the numbers.[/QUOTE]
The damn ICS book writers are part of the ST vs. SW debate and have on numerous occasions, debated.
They are EXTREMELY likely to inflate teh numbers just to "win" the debate.
The EP2: ICS had info from ships that had max a few seconds air-time.
Can you read or are your arguments instinctive?
[QUOTE=TW Scott;1491789]Okay, moron, the Executor is nearly 18 kilometers long, first of all. Second as I have explained again and again. The A-wing smashed through the Bridge cuasing a good deal of damage, the worst of which was shorting the controlls so that the Executor started Accelerating and turning towards the Death Star. The ship was largely intact and might have even remained in battle, if the high speed impact had not brought it to crash against the Death Star with it's ultradense armor belt.
[COLOR="Red"]Doesnt negate the fact that the Executor, the prize ship in the Empire, has weak hullplating and can be destroyed with one hit to the exposed bridge. If the hull is so weak and the weaponry is so strong, its stupid to build such an expensive vulnerable ship. Thus, the Empire is a complete dumbass or they dont have the strong weapons you claim.[/COLOR]
Also a Subsonice fighter could easily tear off the con tower of an Aircraft carrier. If the destruction of the con tower cuased a short that cuased the bvessel to run aground or ram a fuel ship then you anaology would be incorrect.
[COLOR="Red"]A Carrier's bridge was designed by SMART PEOPLE. The Idiot Empire designers stuck the bridge in a vulnerable position. GO GO STUPID SW PEOPLE!
If the hull-plating was SO WEAK, isnt it reasonable to assume that the weaponry is as weak as its armor?[/COLOR]
Why not? After all protecting your ultimate wepaon is a smart thing to do. Plus the rebels would never have believed they built it undefended.
[COLOR="Red"]Then why didnt the Death Star 2's shields defend from the Falcon and Rebels flying inside? The Rebel fleet in ROTJ was pathetic. Highly doubt it can destroy the shields of the battlestation. The Falcon just flew in with no need to take down any shields.[/COLOR]
Really? They have before.
[COLOR="Red"]REALLY? And WHERE was that? Where did the Federation do that? The Borg in FC was on a Cube. A Scout Ship completely incapable of combat. Its torpedos are excusably weak.[/COLOR]
The 12.5 gigatons number has NOT been contradicted even one. I would tend to believe someone with a PhD over a random idiot on the internet.
[COLOR="Red"]READ MY ABOVE COMMENT.
Places where it has been contradicted:
Naboo fighters doing very little damage to a driod.
ISDs doing very little damage to the Tantive IV.
The fact that if it was 12.5 Gigatons, one ISD can make a planet inhabitable and no need for a Death Star.
The fact that AT-AT lasers are pretty damn weak. Barely destroyed Rebel buildings.
Of course, you will ignore this. So whats the point?[/COLOR]
Actually it takes a minute for a ship to calculate on the fly, Don't you think navication would have nothing better to do than to continously plot a hyperspace route while in flight.
[COLOR="Red"]When WHY the hell does it take atleast a MINUTE to calculate the jump to hyperspace?
YOU ARE AVOIDING THE QUESTION. While calculating the jump, SW ships would be blown out of the water.[/COLOR]
Also those torpedoes are not travelling .5c even on a good day. They can do warp, if fired from a vessel moving at warp.
[COLOR="Red"]IMPULSE power approches c. Okay? If at IMPULSE and you fire a torpedo, you will hit t speeds above c, causing immense damage.[/COLOR]
Also we have not seen a ship travel faster than .5C and fire since TOS. It is like they lost the ability.
[COLOR="Red"]Voyager has been shown to go at WARP 9.975 and fire torpedos at the same time when at a distance of over 50,000 KM. Something SW ships cant brag about. Their turbolasers are slower than light. The only thing stopping immense ballistic damage is the fact that the enemy was going at the same speed and had shields.[/COLOR]
Actually they never say it is the same queen that runs the Borg circa First Contact as circa The next generation. In fact they allude to the fact in different series that when one queen dies another is chosen. Meaning it is just a function of the collective.
[COLOR="Red"]Its the same queen. The Borg has the power over many dimensions. The Queen's species was rendered extinct many centuries ago, according to Voyager. Where would they get another queen? The Borg have shown no qualm with any sort of Temporal Prime Directive.[/COLOR]
As for the SW effects, to make an argument using suspension of disbelief, one must assume what is on screen is reality. FOr this argument there is no FX guy, no script, no director.... Meaning the appearance 1977 effects (which were revolutionary in movie making) were exactly what the reality was.
[COLOR="Red"] Doesnt excuse the fact that you many others use the bad FX as justification for dubious claims.[/COLOR]
Also the prequels disprove nothing. Hell AOTC we saw a weapon the size of a hat box create an effect that would have made a quantum torpedo jealous.
[COLOR="Red"]Proof that a Quantum Torpedo cant do more? The Quantum Torpedo can do 100+ MEGATONS of Damage. SW ships dont have that much potential. [B]Their Fighters BARELY scratch a DRIOD THAT CAN BE KICKED OVER BY A HUMAN[/B] Seriously, CANON MOVIE SOURCES have proven the SW ships to be extremely weak.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
Filler. My message is "too short" while my comments are inside the quotes.
I'm gonna start ignoring this idiot from now on.
I cant believe I am up at 5AM doing this.
Actually, I would think there would be little or no armor on the bridge. I mean look at it. It has windows! Of course a single hit there would do serious damage! just becuase the SSd was destriyed by a fighter to thebridge doesn't mean that it has weak armro and weak weapons. That is very bad logic. Its the same thing as a bullet flying through the windshield of a car, hitting the driver in the head, and the car swerving off a bridge. Just becuase the ship was destroyed by a fighter ( a.k.a bullet to the head) doesn't mean that it has weak armor. That is very poor logic. Bullets are quite potent weapons, but a person ( the ship ) can take outie a lot of them without dying, but their are only two locations that guarantee a kill. The heart( the reactor) and the head( the bridge).
As for your claims that SW doesn't have shields, why would they need shield generators if they don't have ray and particle shields? I doubt they are going to mount PD on the inside of the ship. All evidence points away from then not having shields. And if anyones making stupid engineering mistakes its the person who keeps putting the bridge on Federation ship in the middle on the top of the disc. Its too predictable to guess where the bridge is. And ISD's bridge allows you a better view of the area, better lets you see what damage your ship is taking, and allows for more better planning for manuevars. I am in no way saying that they rely on looking out the window as you'll probably say or that they have no life support, weapons, sensors, navigation, or damage report/control. Just that you can expect a bridge to be less well armored then the hull of the vessel.
And when you guys responded to my fighter thing you both said shields would be up. I mean if the shields were down and point defense phasers were destroyed, and a shuttle moving at extreamly high speed hit the bridge, wouldn't that cuase serious damage to the Enterprise? Wouldn't that effectively render the ship useless and send it spiraling out of control?
[QUOTE=halo07guy;1492102]Actually, I would think there would be little or no armor on the bridge. I mean look at it. It has windows! Of course a single hit there would do serious damage! just becuase the SSd was destriyed by a fighter to thebridge doesn't mean that it has weak armro and weak weapons. That is very bad logic. Its the same thing as a bullet flying through the windshield of a car, hitting the driver in the head, and the car swerving off a bridge. Just becuase the ship was destroyed by a fighter ( a.k.a bullet to the head) doesn't mean that it has weak armor. That is very poor logic. Bullets are quite potent weapons, but a person ( the ship ) can take outie a lot of them without dying, but their are only two locations that guarantee a kill. The heart( the reactor) and the head( the bridge).
[COLOR="Red"]My "weak armor" argument is just saying that the idiot SW Engineers use glass/plastics to shield the main point of the SSD. Any Federation Starship at Warp 9 can aim and take out that Bridge without getting hit. During the Dominion War, the Federation used the Battle-Bridges, which is located, atleast on the Galaxy Class, on the part of the ship with the nacelles, not the Saucer. The Saucer section was running on low power, with its reactors powering the phasers to add extra power. Plus, Federation bridges are protected by high-intensity force fields, which are different than shields. This si shown in Nemesis, where, after Picard rams the Scimitar, the force field is showen. SSDs and ISDs, slow moving targets, can be destroyed in an instant [/COLOR]
As for your claims that SW doesn't have shields, why would they need shield generators if they don't have ray and particle shields? I doubt they are going to mount PD on the inside of the ship. All evidence points away from then not having shields. And if anyones making stupid engineering mistakes its the person who keeps putting the bridge on Federation ship in the middle on the top of the disc. Its too predictable to guess where the bridge is. And ISD's bridge allows you a better view of the area, better lets you see what damage your ship is taking, and allows for more better planning for manuevars. I am in no way saying that they rely on looking out the window as you'll probably say or that they have no life support, weapons, sensors, navigation, or damage report/control. Just that you can expect a bridge to be less well armored then the hull of the vessel.
[COLOR="Red"]The SSD has all those amenities. There are hundreds of consoles with many imperials working them. I agree that they have everything that you say. SW has shields, but numerous accounts have shown that these shields are ineffective against Rebel fighters bypassing them. The Trade Federation walked past Gungan Shields, but couldnt use energy weapons thorough them. THUS, Shields are ineffective against projectiles, including Photon Torpedos. In EPIII, The Jedi Fighters got through the shields.In EPIV and EPVI, Rebel fighters can go RIGHT NEXT to the Death Star and fire their weapons. The exhaust port was RAY SHIELDED, but not particle shielded. All I am saying is that stupid SW Shields are completely ineffective against projectile weapons.[/COLOR]
And when you guys responded to my fighter thing you both said shields would be up. I mean if the shields were down and point defense phasers were destroyed, and a shuttle moving at extreamly high speed hit the bridge, wouldn't that cuase serious damage to the Enterprise? Wouldn't that effectively render the ship useless and send it spiraling out of control?
[COLOR="Red"]Wait... WHAT? I dont understand. Could you rephrase? Not insulting you, but I dont understand what you said.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
Another example of the stupidity of Imperial Engineers.
The Wedge Shape of the ISD should enable all the Port and Starboard turrets to fire forward, but they cant. Port turrets can only fire to the port side and Starboard can only fire to the Starboard side. Any sane engineer would make the port and starboard turrets able to fire forward too.
My diagram.
REAL LIFE SMART PEOPLE VS. IMPERIAL ENGINEERS
Proof.
[url]http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial_I-class_Star_Destroyer#Main_battery[/url]
[QUOTE]Star Destroyer's designers did not take advantage of its wedge shape to give these heavy cannons the ability to focus on targets in the forward firing arc that were level with the ship. This could have been accomplished either by superelevating the aft turrets, or merely by spacing the turrets apart over a longer distance of the ship's length.
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[IMG]http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c234/Foolfromhell/StupidISD-1.jpg[/IMG]
your "[I]smart[/I]" people are idiots who know nothing in engineering...
[QUOTE=draqon;1492142]your "[I]smart[/I]" people are idiots who know nothing in engineering...[/QUOTE]
My "smart" people would give 180 degrees turret movement so you can fire forward and to the side.
Then again, since ISDs go so slow, having concentrated firepower pointing forward doesnt matter... unless you point the wedge to the surface of a planet and fire, in which case, the method they didnt use would help A LOT.
Actually, while that does apply to the ISD, It does not apply to SSDs. Those things focus a tremendous amount of firepower to all sides. The Eclipse even has a plantet destroying superlaser on the front. I doubt even a Borg Tactical could survive that. And there is some sense in in the way they designed them. If you head straight at the enemy, you present a larger target then you would when you just give them your side. And when their facing your side that usually means your moving. So they have to lead every shot at long range, and have to constantly change course to get behind it. And it does make sense that they have relatively few guns up front, simply because of the fact that if their in front of you, their likely running away.
[QUOTE=halo07guy;1492179]Actually, while that does apply to the ISD, It does not apply to SSDs. Those things focus a tremendous amount of firepower to all sides. The Eclipse even has a plantet destroying superlaser on the front. I doubt even a Borg Tactical could survive that. And there is some sense in in the way they designed them. If you head straight at the enemy, you present a larger target then you would when you just give them your side. And when their facing your side that usually means your moving. So they have to lead every shot at long range, and have to constantly change course to get behind it. And it does make sense that they have relatively few guns up front, simply because of the fact that if their in front of you, their likely running away.[/QUOTE]
Actually, the opposite is true- you go broadside to give them angular momentum to try to compensate for. It does, however, present a HUGE profile to shoot at (your entire side) instead of the (hopefully reinforced) front.
And the Ent-E would survive a shuttle impact quite nicely actually. The Bridge is well armored and the armored-shell that protects the viewscreen (yes, they CAN actually look into space directly) is nice and sealed 99% of the time.