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[QUOTE=USS Enterprise-B;1456961]Hey, Saquist didn't you say that ST firepower was 6 - 8 times more powerful than SW firepower? What was your source/equation for that again?:shrug:[/QUOTE]
If so, I'd love to see the USS Defiant go on a bombing run against an ISD with it's Pulse Phasers! SWEEEEET! And since we don't know what happened to the USS Enterprise (Excelsior-II Class), what if they gave it the standard "Lakota Refit" (from DS9:Paradise Lost)? (What did happen to it? There is no canon information whatsoever...) USS Enterprise-B VS. ISS Executor (what is the GE's (galactic empire) prefix before the name? U.S.S. stands for [B]U[/B]nited [B]S[/B]tar [B]S[/B]hip. I just assume that it is I.S.S, the I standing for [B]I[/B]mperial (that's the prefix for the Terran Empire in the mirror universe.)
USS Enterprise
Leautenent: Sir the Executor is moving in on us.
Captain: Hailing frequencies.
ISS Executor
Admiral: [SIZE="5"]WE WILL DESTROY YOU!!![/SIZE]
[Ent-B] Leautenent: Seems that had no use...
Captain: As it never helps talking with these pitiful IMPs... We warned them. FIRE!
The Executor is massecred by the Enterprise-B using it's Photon/Quantum torpedoes and phasers.:jason:
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"The Children of the Green Planet were puddle-footed sapients indigenous to Brodo Asogi. They were the only species known to have left the Galaxy for exploration. They were also one of the many species in the Galaxy to refrain from wearing clothes. Due to some unknown power, possibly the Force, they had the ability to heal injuries using their fingers, the tips of which glowed at will. Though no little evidence exists to prove it, it is possible that at some point the creatures made a voyage to the Milky Way Galaxy, where they landed on Earth, accidentally leaving one of their kind behind in their haste to leave without arousing suspicion. They later returned to rescue their comrade. It is possible that this voyage, the details of which remain unknown, was funded by a Senator Grebleips." Wookieepedia
"For example, E.T.'s telekinetic and telepathic abilities were not ultra-enhanced mental abilities, but rather E.T. was a Force-sensitive. When E.T. heals Eliott with the light finger trick, he actually practices Force Healing. Also, when E.T. goes trick-or-treating with the children, he spots a child in a Yoda mask and begins to follow that child saying "Home… home…" (Composer John Williams included a snippet of his "Yoda Theme" from The Empire Strikes Back to accompany this scene.) This could be interpreted as E.T. recognizing a familiar species from his home galaxy." Wookieepedia
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maybe I shouldnt have posted that i'm just going to get told i'm wrong:(
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1. In that scene it definately was ET, george lucas gave ET's race a cameo since Spielberg gave Yoda a cameo in ET. It's canon.
2.Theres a website I'm not allowed to post, but it goes along the lines of informing you that the Turbolasers in the SW universe fire at about 200 gigatons per shot, while the photon torpedo is only about 64 megatons. The lighter lasers shoot at about 6 megatons per shot while the design of a phaser emitter is about 5.4 MW. Most of you should know about it in your angry google searches, it's the first hit. Theres just no way I can see star wars and star trek really doing good at it. Scientific explainations aside (granted ST has more scifi explaination than SW). The sheer MASS of things that the star wars universe can gather (Clone Army, Empire, CiS) In all sides. Plus the fact that a simple troop transport is 10 times better on all sides than the Enterprise..
And I'm not going to look through two hundred pages of posts to see if this has been mentioned already, because it looks like you forgot the conflict on it's simplest level
Naturally star wars does not have as much explaination attached to it that Trek does. And it is deceptively purposeful (or maybe...lucas would have said some stuff by now?). So of course star trek wins in that respect. But it loses as well. Just because you have the closest explaination to warp drive, doesnt mean it works...
A power supply big enough to fire a phaser in ST would be enough to power the Earth today. =P
Also it should be noted that an "entire complement of photon torpedoes" could not destroy a 5 km asteroid (that is hollow). While Jango Fetts seismic charge cuts through just about anything....
Reactors average 200 trillion GW as opposed to 4 Billion
Shields average 70 trillion GW of heat dissipation as opposed to 3,311 GW.
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Let's introduce a new system of identifying races on ST and SW:
[COLOR="Blue"]United Federation of Planets - Blue ~ Abrv: Fed[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Lime"]Galactic Empire - Lime ~ Abrv: Imp[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Red"]Rebel Alliance - Red ~ Abrv: Reb[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Green"]Klingon Empire - Green ~ Abrv: Klng[/COLOR]
[COLOR="DarkRed"]Galactic Republic - Dark Red ~ Rep[/COLOR]
[COLOR="YellowGreen"]Romulan Star Empire - Yellow Green ~ Rom[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Purple"]Separtists - Purple ~ Sep[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Yellow"]Cardassian Union - Yellow ~ Card[/COLOR]
[COLOR="DarkOrchid"]Dominion - Dark Orchid ~ Dom[/COLOR]
[COLOR="RoyalBlue"]Jedi - Royal Blue ~ Jedi[/COLOR]
[COLOR="DarkSlateGray"]Sith - Dark Slate Gray ~ Sith[/COLOR]
We will color the factions for easier identification.
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[QUOTE=Fettman;1456978]"The Children of the Green Planet were puddle-footed sapients indigenous to Brodo Asogi. They were the only species known to have left the Galaxy for exploration. They were also one of the many species in the Galaxy to refrain from wearing clothes. Due to some unknown power, possibly the Force, they had the ability to heal injuries using their fingers, the tips of which glowed at will. Though no little evidence exists to prove it, it is possible that at some point the creatures made a voyage to the Milky Way Galaxy, where they landed on Earth, accidentally leaving one of their kind behind in their haste to leave without arousing suspicion. They later returned to rescue their comrade. It is possible that this voyage, the details of which remain unknown, was funded by a Senator Grebleips." Wookieepedia
"For example, E.T.'s telekinetic and telepathic abilities were not ultra-enhanced mental abilities, but rather E.T. was a Force-sensitive. When E.T. heals Eliott with the light finger trick, he actually practices Force Healing. Also, when E.T. goes trick-or-treating with the children, he spots a child in a Yoda mask and begins to follow that child saying "Home… home…" (Composer John Williams included a snippet of his "Yoda Theme" from The Empire Strikes Back to accompany this scene.) This could be interpreted as E.T. recognizing a familiar species from his home galaxy." Wookieepedia[/QUOTE]
Huh... Fasinating...
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"E.T.: The Book of the Green Planet, a tie-in novel to the film, reveals "Children of the Green Planet" to be the translated name of E.T.'s species. It also mentions several names which other alien species have given E.T.'s homeworld, such as Brodo Asogi, all of which translate to "Green Planet". While the species itself is part of Star Wars canon, and the homeworld name is given in Cloak of Deception, the species name is not specified."
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So Scotts time line is wrong its not billions of years so if ET came to earth then it would be around 30ish BBY
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[QUOTE=Fettman;1456978]"The Children of the Green Planet were puddle-footed sapients indigenous to Brodo Asogi. They were the only species known to have left the Galaxy for exploration. They were also one of the many species in the Galaxy to refrain from wearing clothes. Due to some unknown power, possibly the Force, they had the ability to heal injuries using their fingers, the tips of which glowed at will. Though no little evidence exists to prove it, it is possible that at some point the creatures made a voyage to the Milky Way Galaxy, where they landed on Earth, accidentally leaving one of their kind behind in their haste to leave without arousing suspicion. They later returned to rescue their comrade. It is possible that this voyage, the details of which remain unknown, was funded by a Senator Grebleips." Wookieepedia
"For example, E.T.'s telekinetic and telepathic abilities were not ultra-enhanced mental abilities, but rather E.T. was a Force-sensitive. When E.T. heals Eliott with the light finger trick, he actually practices Force Healing. Also, when E.T. goes trick-or-treating with the children, he spots a child in a Yoda mask and begins to follow that child saying "Home… home…" (Composer John Williams included a snippet of his "Yoda Theme" from The Empire Strikes Back to accompany this scene.) This could be interpreted as E.T. recognizing a familiar species from his home galaxy." Wookieepedia[/QUOTE]
But the kid in the Yoda mask makes the SW part nearly impossible. Because SW was a movie at the time and would sort of make the time-line turn into some sort of inverted-loop.
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[QUOTE=Fettman;1456994]So Scotts time line is wrong its not billions of years its maybe what 800?[/QUOTE]
Remember "A long time ago in a galaxy far far away" sounds alot like the begining of a folklore tail. And they can be cryptic when it comes to real-time. So it is impossible to come up with an exact date. (800 years is a long time by a human's standard so I don't know...):shrug:
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[QUOTE=USS Enterprise-B;1456997]Remember "A long time ago in a galaxy far far away" sounds alot like the begining of a folklore tail. And they can be cryptic when it comes to real-time. So it is impossible to come up with an exact date. (800 years is a long time by a human's standard so I don't know...):shrug:[/QUOTE]
Official Star Wars Canon timeline places The Battle of Yavin at 7.5 billion years after the big bang. Today is currently, from our estimates, 13.7 billion years after the big bang. Even accounting ofr Coruscants slightly different year that means Billions of years of technological development.
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[QUOTE=USS Enterprise-B;1456995]But the kid in the Yoda mask makes the SW part nearly impossible. Because SW was a movie at the time and would sort of make the time-line turn into some sort of inverted-loop.[/QUOTE]
No, actually if you think about it, it makes no difference. It just means that some artist had an idea that coincidently mirrored reality that he had no idea existed. It happens all the time, usually on minor things.
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[QUOTE=TW Scott;1457035]No, actually if you think about it, it makes no difference. It just means that some artist had an idea that coincidently mirrored reality that he had no idea existed. It happens all the time, usually on minor things.[/QUOTE]
Sorta, but if it was something so major it is nearly impossible.
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[QUOTE=TW Scott;1457028]Official Star Wars Canon timeline places The Battle of Yavin at 7.5 billion years after the big bang. Today is currently, from our estimates, 13.7 billion years after the big bang. Even accounting ofr Coruscants slightly different year that means Billions of years of technological development.[/QUOTE]
How would that work? How could a human race develop in a different galaxy?
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Thinking about it more clearly... the SW universe cannot be the same as the ST universe if your implying all the E.T. visitation stuff. Because around that time in the ST universe their was that Khan superpower dictator thing... I can't remember...
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[QUOTE=Fettman;1456990]"E.T.: The Book of the Green Planet, a tie-in novel to the film, reveals "Children of the Green Planet" to be the translated name of E.T.'s species. It also mentions several names which other alien species have given E.T.'s homeworld, such as Brodo Asogi, all of which translate to "Green Planet". While the species itself is part of Star Wars canon, and the homeworld name is given in Cloak of Deception, the species name is not specified."[/QUOTE]
This would have to be in the past.
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[QUOTE=Polyneux;1456984]1. In that scene it definately was ET, george lucas gave ET's race a cameo since Spielberg gave Yoda a cameo in ET. It's canon.
2.Theres a website I'm not allowed to post, but it goes along the lines of informing you that the Turbolasers in the SW universe fire at about 200 gigatons per shot, while the photon torpedo is only about 64 megatons. The lighter lasers shoot at about 6 megatons per shot while the design of a phaser emitter is about 5.4 MW. Most of you should know about it in your angry google searches, it's the first hit. Theres just no way I can see star wars and star trek really doing good at it. Scientific explainations aside (granted ST has more scifi explaination than SW). The sheer MASS of things that the star wars universe can gather (Clone Army, Empire, CiS) In all sides. Plus the fact that a simple troop transport is 10 times better on all sides than the Enterprise..
And I'm not going to look through two hundred pages of posts to see if this has been mentioned already, because it looks like you forgot the conflict on it's simplest level
Naturally star wars does not have as much explaination attached to it that Trek does. And it is deceptively purposeful (or maybe...lucas would have said some stuff by now?). So of course star trek wins in that respect. But it loses as well. Just because you have the closest explaination to warp drive, doesnt mean it works...
A power supply big enough to fire a phaser in ST would be enough to power the Earth today. =P
Also it should be noted that an "entire complement of photon torpedoes" could not destroy a 5 km asteroid (that is hollow). While Jango Fetts seismic charge cuts through just about anything....
Reactors average 200 trillion GW as opposed to 4 Billion
Shields average 70 trillion GW of heat dissipation as opposed to 3,311 GW.[/QUOTE]
I am assuming you mean StarDestroyer.net. If you will visit this site
[url]http://www.st-v-sw.net/STSWhi2.html[/url]
And read WITHOUT bias either way, you will see that a good number of the calculations on SD.net are either wrong or simply impossibly biased.
I dont' care WHAT scott says about st-v-sw.net. It gives the good, bad, and ugly of both sides. It states the things both are good and and where both fail. In the end, though, ST has better all around tech than SW, including, but not limited too, weapons power, range, and accuracy, shield technology and methodology, and manuverability. Not to mention tactics that DON'T involve pulling broadside and stopping to fire as many times as possible. Fleet manuvers in Trek are delicate arts that make SW fleet manuvers (if you would call them that to be honest, as most of the ships don't appear to move at all) look silly.
I love SW more than even Scott here (as is evidenced by the fact I like keeping SW real... not the fanboy wank Scott enjoys) but simply put ST would trounce SW. Even the ships from Enterprise would probably spank the smaller Wars ships just from the phase cannons and polarized hull plating- as we Trekies despise Enterprise for screwing with the Timeline, though, I'll simply use TOS as the first Trek and say that Kirk would have his way with Vaders flagship.
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Oh, and BTW-
If ET is a powerful Jedi able to heal people via the force... why couldn't he contact his people? Aren't you able to reach out and speak to someone via the force?
Or did he just "forget" how?
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Kittamaru I stand corrected :)
Now the thing about jedi could simply be a question of range
But since SW is "a long time ago" Earth may be a considerable amount of years into the future. And it appears that no mattr how many thousands of years you go before or after the Battle of Yavin (common time scale). that it is still A long time Ago :3
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*nods*
I will admit- that site has some errors. After all, he is no professor of math. However, he puts forth the attempt to say when he's unsure and where he would like more input.
