Star Wars vs Star Trek

From Hukka4Life's post on page 111
"He tightened down on the trigger, pulsing kilojoules of scarlet energy into an eyeball's cockpit. p54, X-Wing: The Kyrtos Trap."
[B]kilojoules?[/B] From a cannon source? ok. thats weak...
Another quote
"All turbolaser batteries, full strength. Fire at will, targeting any structures in the jungle. p 311, Darksaber. Callista looked up and saw another blast come down. With a single strike, the Super Star Destroyer obliterated an acre of ages-old growth. One lucky shot could level the Great Temple. p350, Darksaber. - 39 pages into the bombardment, and the SSD is managing to perform Daisy-cutter levels of damage."
full strength? And manages to destroy a few acres? Buts its the full strength of a [B]SUPER STAR DESTROYER...[/B]

Then theres Thalaron Radiation that the Romulans wont hesitate to use against the Empire. I doubt that even the Emperor can resist Thalaron radiation. Plus, the relatively tiny Scimitar can depopulate Earth with its Thalaron weapons. No need for a Death Star, eh?

great, here i thought this was dead ... i no ... wait ... Scotts is back. The local loony crazed nut is back. In the fleash. Hear i was hoping he was gang raped by serveral gay people. Mabey sent to prison. F i hope that he was eaten by zombies or that lord vader came to life and anul raped him. No such luck. To bad. Well, far as im conceren this thread is dead and star trek won.

Nop, Star Wars won. Look at the poll.

[QUOTE=FoolFromHell;1390826]From Hukka4Life's post on page 111
"He tightened down on the trigger, pulsing kilojoules of scarlet energy into an eyeball's cockpit. p54, X-Wing: The Kyrtos Trap."
[B]kilojoules?[/B] From a cannon source? ok. thats weak...
Another quote
"All turbolaser batteries, full strength. Fire at will, targeting any structures in the jungle. p 311, Darksaber. Callista looked up and saw another blast come down. With a single strike, the Super Star Destroyer obliterated an acre of ages-old growth. One lucky shot could level the Great Temple. p350, Darksaber. - 39 pages into the bombardment, and the SSD is managing to perform Daisy-cutter levels of damage."
full strength? And manages to destroy a few acres? Buts its the full strength of a [B]SUPER STAR DESTROYER...[/B]

Then theres Thalaron Radiation that the Romulans wont hesitate to use against the Empire. I doubt that even the Emperor can resist Thalaron radiation. Plus, the relatively tiny Scimitar can depopulate Earth with its Thalaron weapons. No need for a Death Star, eh?[/QUOTE]


Please keep posting this cannon material- eventually logic will defeat Scott and his army of idiots!

[QUOTE=temur;1391023]Nop, Star Wars won. Look at the poll.[/QUOTE]

Temur = alt of Scott... the posting styles are exactly the same.

Bad Spelling.
No logic.
No backing of their opinions.

[QUOTE=FoolFromHell;1390826]From Hukka4Life's post on page 111
"He tightened down on the trigger, pulsing kilojoules of scarlet energy into an eyeball's cockpit. p54, X-Wing: The Kyrtos Trap."
[B]kilojoules?[/B] From a cannon source? ok. thats weak...[/quote]

First of all don't try to bring up old arguments for repeats, it was trounced before and it will be slaughtered now. The qoute in question is refuted by ANH where Luke vaporized sections of the hull of Death Star, creating a expanding electircally overcharged ball of plasma at lest 100 meters in diament, and probabaly much larger. That right there trumps your argument.

[QUOTE]"All turbolaser batteries, full strength. Fire at will, targeting any structures in the jungle. p 311, Darksaber. Callista looked up and saw another blast come down. With a single strike, the Super Star Destroyer obliterated an acre of ages-old growth. One lucky shot could level the Great Temple. p350, Darksaber. - 39 pages into the bombardment, and the SSD is managing to perform Daisy-cutter levels of damage."
full strength? And manages to destroy a few acres? Buts its the full strength of a [B]SUPER STAR DESTROYER...[/B][/QUOTE]


First of it was a single laser strike that vaporized an acre of dense sith alchemically enhanced energy resistat trees. Not to mention turning the soil and rock underneath to molten lava. Also note that Callista felt the hevy Turbolasers were a htreat to the Massassi temples, structures that had originally been coopted by the Alliance becuase even without shield generators, the building could survive prolonged bombardment from Turbolasers and multi gigaton concussion missiles.

[quote]Then theres Thalaron Radiation that the Romulans wont hesitate to use against the Empire. I doubt that even the Emperor can resist Thalaron radiation. Plus, the relatively tiny Scimitar can depopulate Earth with its Thalaron weapons. No need for a Death Star, eh?[/QUOTE]

Empty attack. Only Shinzon and a small group of Remans had the technology and weapon. Even if the Romulans had it the majority of romulan military and civiliian population would be appalled that someone would even suggest a similar plan.

[QUOTE=Sumoben;1390167]Lol, with a fleet of ships, they can Project the web, without weaving it, maybe you should look into it more.[/QUOTE]

Hello, only appearance of Tholians in series or movies it takes time, several hours as matter of fact. Since that is all we see and the very narrow definition of ST canon, it takes several hours. SFB stuff and novels are not allowed according Paramount.

[QUOTE=TW Scott;1391224]First of all don't try to bring up old arguments for repeats, it was trounced before and it will be slaughtered now. The qoute in question is refuted by ANH where Luke vaporized sections of the hull of Death Star, creating a expanding electircally overcharged ball of plasma at lest 100 meters in diament, and probabaly much larger. That right there trumps your argument.




First of it was a single laser strike that vaporized an acre of dense sith alchemically enhanced energy resistat trees. Not to mention turning the soil and rock underneath to molten lava. Also note that Callista felt the hevy Turbolasers were a htreat to the Massassi temples, structures that had originally been coopted by the Alliance becuase even without shield generators, the building could survive prolonged bombardment from Turbolasers and multi gigaton concussion missiles.



Empty attack. Only Shinzon and a small group of Remans had the technology and weapon. Even if the Romulans had it the majority of romulan military and civiliian population would be appalled that someone would even suggest a similar plan.[/QUOTE]

Then the fact that the torpedos from voyager ANIHILATED a cube twice the size of your Star Destroyer means those torpedos would wtfpwn your tiny ships.

By your own reasoning of course.

Which is it Scott? You're caught in your own web of lies! MAKE UP YOUR EFFIN MIND!

Scott, you're absence was welcome. We had a bit of nice discussion and light argument all of which was proven and disproven thru logic, mathmatics, and backed up with proven examples. Please take another leave of absence. It's no fun fighting with someone who argues based on self biased opinion and self serving proficy.

[QUOTE=FoolFromHell;1390770]Q does love to help Picard and Janeway. Last I checked, Janeway babysat Q's son. Q still owes her a favor and would not let his favorite species to die. Q even stated that humans will eventually grow into something stronger than the Q.[/quote]

Yes, but SW Humans are Humans too. Besides like I said he might save Janeway and Picard but from evidence in Nemesis I would say that is a no as well. After all Q owes Data his very life and he didn't save Data.....


[QUOTE]The EXECUTOR cant even PROTECT ITSELF FROM AN A-WING!
A single photon torpedo to the bridge would bring it down...
The ST ships have just as much, if not more, energy as SW ships. Your claims of over 10 gigatons/ blast are over exaggerated, and thus should not be considered canon.[/QUOTE]

Actually the 12.5 gigaton power levels are Canon as attested to many times throughout this conversation.
Also the explnations of the A-wing have been made many times. The Alzheimers defense will not help you.
Finally energy output of the Enterprise D warp core is 12 billion giogawatts or 1.2x 10^19 watts per second. The canon output of a Heavy Turbolaser is 5.2x10^19 joules in 1/15th of a second or 7.8x10^20 watts per second. That means it would take 4.3333.... seconds for the Warp core to produce enough power to fire a single Heavy Turbolaser once.


[QUOTE]The Defiant has thrusters on all parts of its body. Microgravity and inertia are null when the ENGINES ARE STRONGER.[/QUOTE]

Hello, dumbass, Inertia is a constant in the universe it cannot be escaped. It can be stabilized or counteracted, but it is still here. An objest in motion tends to stay in motion and an object at rest tends to stay at rest unless acted on by an outside force.

BTW it is interesting to note that a Defiant class starship can barely escape atmosphere, it has to be balanced on it's tail and redline it engines in order to accomplish this. Voyager is a slight improvement as it can luanch from laying down, but it does take all of impulse and all thrusters to help it escape gravity. Meanwhile an X-wing, Millenium Flacon and even ISD can land and take off with ease.

[QUOTE]SW shields cant defend against the Executor.
The Rebel fleet was pathetic compared to the Imperial fleet in epIV and in EPIII, none of the ships had shields except hanger-bay force fields. Anakin/ Obiwan could bypass then extremely easily.[/QUOTE]

Excuse me but that space battle you were talking about had been raging for HOURS, long enough for



[QUOTE]The thermal detonator is not a focused burst of energy. Its a DETONATOR.
If it had 4 kilotons of energy, it would BLOW UP THE CITY BY ITSELF. Why the HELL would the imperials use a suicide weapon like that? Your source is NOT credible if it states that a simple thermal detonator is 4 kilotons.[/QUOTE]

Actually Shadows of the Empire is credible, and yes it a Thermonuclear device with built in limits. Used for Demolition and for clearing out heavily fortified postions the device was not unlike the Nukes from Starships Troopers, just much smaller in size and greater in effect. It's a high powered special munition. However it does not change the fact that a grenade that fits in the hand of a small woman has much more power than the Shioelds aboard a Galaxy class starship.


[QUOTE]Your sources for the 12.5 gigatons are extremely wrong. The Leviathan bombing Taris in KOTOR do *not* show the destructive capabilities of even a single kiloton. They obliterate the top floors of a building per hit. Thats not much. With 12.5 Gigatons, five ISDs can depopulate a planet in a few days. Why a Death Star then? Why not have those ISDs destroy the entire world?[/QUOTE]

Actually one ISD can depopulated a planet and destroy all semblance of civilization in just one day. However against a target with planetary shields even Heavy Turbolasers are uselss. As fotr Taris bombing you forget to take building material into account and that the Levithan was a primitive ship, thousands of years later the ISD came along.


[QUOTE]Maybe, but the Empire is more likely to invade ST.
The Borg can defeat all of SW single-handedly. The Hutts will have no interest whatsover in invading ST because the ST population is either uninterested in trade, (Humans and Klingons, or under the rule of an opressive dictatorship, (Romulans, Dominion) or under the immediate vicinity of the Borg (Delta Quadrant)
The Hutts wont enter this fight.[/QUOTE]

First of all the Borg can't even manage to conquer their own galaxy, they keep getting their ass handed to them by humans no less.
As for not having a reason to join? Bullshit, Hutts are great exploiters. They would want worlds and slaves, and not to mention exotic pets. ST would be all of those on silver platter.

[QUOTE]What evidence is there that "neutronium" (you spelled it wrong, btw) will hinder transporters?
Again, a well shielded both sphere can penetrate the ISD shields by storming it by the hundreds, and transport from inside the shield. Your sources on ISD weapon fire are BOGUS. In SW: Battlefront, the bombs and lasers of the fighters can BARELY scratch the surface of the planet. And, it takes multiple hits to kill somebody. If you refute this evidence, you have to void ALL NOVELS AND VIDEO GAMES in BOTH UNIVERSES. in that case, ST wins over SW based solely on Movies and TV shows.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]

Excuse me but Video games are void in Star Wars and only the Shows and Movies count for Star Trek.

SW Canon (in order of importance from greatest to least)
A Movies
B Novelizations, Radio Dramas, Miniseries
C Novels , Technical readouts.

ST Canon
A Shows and Movies

That is it. Nothing else gets to enter the game, Nothing. So suck it up.

The Q can change the gravitational constant of the universe- when that was said, Geordi changed the gravitational constant of the asteroid via warp field.

Boosh, inertia changed bitch.

Come one, come all! See Scott fall flat on his face as he always does!

The Defiant and the Intrepid were not really designed for atmospheric flight now were they. They were designed to kick ass in space. The fact that a ship of that weight can easily enter/exit the atmosphere is a testimony to the craftsmanship of Star Trek- after all, they don't have wings like X-WINGS and A-WINGS and Y-WINGS do.

Actually, if you ask Paramount, Star Trek cannons includes anything that doesn't directly contradict the shows and movies now.

Apparently this change was made a scant four months ago. I won't bother looking it up as even if I had Paramount's CEO tell you personally you wouldn't believe it- you don't believe in anything that helps Star Trek's case because you're an utter twit who can't take the fact that Star Wars has lost.

Star Wars biggest threat - mass transportation into a quantum singularity. Hell, just hold them in transporter stasis- even Darth Sidius would be powerless when he is torn apart molecule by molecule, unable to even think.

[QUOTE=FoolFromHell;1390791]Worf can hold Vader off for long enough to give away Vader's position to the Enterprise or Defiant and allow Vader to be beamed off.[/quote]

Small problem it's called force choke.


[QUOTE]Because of plot advancement?
If those plot rules were taken away, the borg can easily walk up to Vader and inject him with nano-probes.[/QUOTE]

When you use suspension of disbelief you are not allowed to bring in little things like that, numbnuts. If you get to claim it was plot advancement, we get the same, lesser evil cannot defeat greater evil. If you take it way it means that the Borg are naturally inept against seasoned opponents, which fits occam's razor quite well.


[QUOTE]There is [B]no [/B]evidence his armor has the rare energy deflective materials. Plus, there is [B]no [/B]evidence that it deflects against transporters.[/QUOTE]

Actuiall canon does state it had mandaloran ironj which his known to be energy resistant, Also ST transporter have been blocked just by the presence of some exotic material, many of them energy resistant, so you'd have to prove it could beam him.


[QUOTE]In EP V, Vader used the force to deflect the one blast. It cant deflect against a focused phaser. His armor was easily destroyed by Luke's lightsaber and a focused EMP would destroy his breathing machine...[/QUOTE]

His armor was barely cut by the saber, barely notice the word and EMP's don't work too well against hardened circuits.


[QUOTE]SW doesnt HAVE IT. How many times in Kotor have people been wandering around the enemy ship and they dont use force fields?
And how many times in Battlefront II?[/QUOTE]

KOTOR and Battlefront are computer games and there for uncanon.


[QUOTE]The Storm Troopers cant DEFEND against the Borg.
Once Vader comes, the troopers would be dead and a hundred drones would be waiting.[/QUOTE]


Cite proof, borg seem pretty hampered by lycra wearing scientists with over powered flashlights, why not armored battle hardened soldiers with highpowered kinetic weaponry?

[QUOTE=Kittamaru;1391277]The Q can change the gravitational constant of the universe- when that was said, Geordi changed the gravitational constant of the asteroid via warp field.

Boosh, inertia changed bitch.[/QUOTE]

They used an outside force to act on it, or did that little thing escape your attention. Thank you for proving my point.

[QUOTE=Kittamaru;1391280]Come one, come all! See Scott fall flat on his face as he always does!

The Defiant and the Intrepid were not really designed for atmospheric flight now were they. They were designed to kick ass in space. The fact that a ship of that weight can easily enter/exit the atmosphere is a testimony to the craftsmanship of Star Trek- after all, they don't have wings like X-WINGS and A-WINGS and Y-WINGS do.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, it is testament to the Stupidity of Federation engineering. ONly a few vessels can actually land, meanwhile almost every craft you see in Star Wars can land and escape gravity again, including the SSD.

[QUOTE=Kittamaru;1391283]Actually, if you ask Paramount, Star Trek cannons includes anything that doesn't directly contradict the shows and movies now.

Apparently this change was made a scant four months ago. I won't bother looking it up as even if I had Paramount's CEO tell you personally you wouldn't believe it- you don't believe in anything that helps Star Trek's case because you're an utter twit who can't take the fact that Star Wars has lost.[/QUOTE]

[url]http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/help/faqs/faq/676.html[/url]

[url]http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/news/editorials/article/17178.html[/url]

[url]http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/news/article/8695.html[/url]


Are the ONLY articles about canon font on [url]www.startrek.com[/url] which is run by Paramount. Sorry, but you've just been cuaght lying your ass off. It specifically says that a few itmes from some select novels have been used on screen, but it was them being oncreen that makes those indicvidual things canon.

So I say again only Shows and Movies for Star Trek.

[QUOTE=Kittamaru;1391258]Then the fact that the torpedos from voyager ANIHILATED a cube twice the size of your Star Destroyer means those torpedos would wtfpwn your tiny ships.

By your own reasoning of course.

Which is it Scott? You're caught in your own web of lies! MAKE UP YOUR EFFIN MIND![/QUOTE]

Actually considering that the command to Sleep cuases a cube to explode the torpedoes mean less than nothing. We were never told how they work. Hell they could be simple computer virus carriers. Second we all know Phasers are less that 400 gigawats by Survivors, and a few shots form them obliterated 20% of a cube, so to be fair we'll say Transphasic torpedo = 50 phasers= under 20,000 gigawats which we know is nowhere near the level of a Heavy Turbolaser.

[QUOTE=TW Scott;1391288]They used an outside force to act on it, or did that little thing escape your attention. Thank you for proving my point.[/QUOTE]

Are you inept? The inertial force of the asteroid was too great for the Enterprise to move. Thus they reduced it's apparent mass and, by doing so, it's inertia. They were then able to move it- in the end, though, Q saved the day.

Two points with one stone... Scott you're faultering again!