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[QUOTE=George1;2708526]neither did i said it made sense. its really, really fucked up.[/QUOTE]
Sadly, over the course of five series (TOS, TNG, Voyager, DS9, Enterprise), nearly a dozen movies, and more directors, writers, and crewmembers than you can shake a stick at, these things happen.
[QUOTE=George1;2708165]though i like the new star trek movies, the best as far as i can think, the part with interstellar transporters was way out. i mean, boom, suddenly scoty invented it (originality) and it works and not a single mention of it before, ever. i was like wtf is going on? really, take a transwarp shuttle, wormhole or something.[/QUOTE]
Mr. Scott was supposed to be the best Engineer in Star Fleet; EU resources that border on canon (stuff done by the series, or movie personell) give him credit for alot of advancement, it is not inconcievable that he did do something on this scale. How else would he get assigned to the flagship of the fleet? Kirk : The best captain of his time, Spock: The best scientist in Star Fleet... the list goes on.
Star Wars and Star Trek are the same thing.
RUN, ITS THE DEATH STAR!
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Lol I got a new debate proposition:
The Men Who Stare At Goats vs Star Wars
Jedi vs Jedi :D
for anyone still in doubts about the size of the SW galaxy, go to [URL="http://www.starwars.com/theclonewars/guide/episode321.html"]http://www.starwars.com/theclonewars/guide/episode321.html[/URL] and check the last image of the episode galley, the one with in which anakin stares at the GALAXY MAP, which just so happens to show the galaxy EXACTLY as it was showed in every single source that described it as 120,000 ly in diameter. subject closed pals, subject closed.
[QUOTE=George1;2725162]for anyone still in doubts about the size of the SW galaxy, go to [URL="http://www.starwars.com/theclonewars/guide/episode321.html"]http://www.starwars.com/theclonewars/guide/episode321.html[/URL] and check the last image of the episode galley, the one with in which anakin stares at the GALAXY MAP, which just so happens to show the galaxy EXACTLY as it was showed in every single source that described it as 120,000 ly in diameter. subject closed pals, subject closed.[/QUOTE]
Uhm... okay. So you have a reference saying that is the exact image used? Or something other than just you going "it's the same one"? :shrug:
[QUOTE=Kittamaru;2725409]Uhm... okay. So you have a reference saying that is the exact image used? Or something other than just you going "it's the same one"? :shrug:[/QUOTE]
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[IMG]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090903054824/starwars/images/d/d2/MainGalaxy.jpg[/IMG]
dose that clear it up?
No, not really... especially considering that, if you look at the picture, the galaxy that Anakin is looking at is a mirror image (or upside down) compared to the other one you linked - look at the spiral arms to see it primarily.
SO... unless the Star Wars galaxy is suddenly upside down (or Anakin is just incredibly STUPID and has the holo-map upside down... lol...) I can't really take at your say so that they are the same galaxy...
For that matter, I don't see any sort of scale of reference on the lower image... so where do you get a size comparison from that? Who made that image? Where is it from? Who's the artist? ETC...
[QUOTE=Kittamaru;2725878]No, not really... especially considering that, if you look at the picture, the galaxy that Anakin is looking at is a mirror image (or upside down) compared to the other one you linked - look at the spiral arms to see it primarily.[[/QUOTE] yes, with the same layout (five spiral arms for one)
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SO... unless the Star Wars galaxy is suddenly upside down (or Anakin is just incredibly STUPID and has the holo-map upside down... lol...) I can't really take at your say so that they are the same galaxy... [/QUOTE] erm, no, most people when they look at at 3D iamge, like that map, don't really care where is "up". there is no "up" in space, so how can you say its the right way around? either of them?
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For that matter, I don't see any sort of scale of reference on the lower image... so where do you get a size comparison from that? Who made that image? Where is it from? Who's the artist? ETC...[/QUOTE]
the image ois from The Essential Atlas 2009. its made by a Hungarian guy named Modi, and the book is by Jason Fry and Daniel Wallace, who spent three years gathering data for every system they could find in the EU. the book states, as with every single one of its kind till now, the galaxy is 120,000 ly in diameter.
YUPPYM, ITS MY BIRTHDAY!!! hahaha...
anyway...
star trek: TOS: to boldly go where no man has gone before!
star trek:TNG: to boldly go where someone else has gone before us...
star trek:DS9: to boldly go but kinda stay here...
star trek:VOY: to boldly go HOME...
star trek:ENT: WHERE THE HELL ARE WE GOING???????????
pretty good description.
Thing is... a lot of galaxies are of the spiral arm layout...
[img]http://www.christinus.org/images/mw.jpg[/img]
And they would still assign an intrinsic "north" and "south" to the map for the sake of navigation...
[QUOTE=George1;2708165]though i like the new star trek movies, the best as far as i can think, the part with interstellar transporters was way out. i mean, boom, suddenly scoty invented it (originality) and it works and not a single mention of it before, ever. i was like wtf is going on? really, take a transwarp shuttle, wormhole or something.[/QUOTE]
The Scotty in Spock's time invented it. He was essentially saved in a transporter buffer after the TOS movies and ended up in TNG. It's likely that he later finished the theory that he started when he was younger. Thus, Core Spock simply used it because they were in a pinch.
[QUOTE=George1;2708297]erm, what year was this happening? cuz Archer was born like in the 2110's or something like that, he was 30 or 40 in Enterprise. i know they were supposed to live longer, but what year dose the movie takes place? and how fucking old is that fucking beagle?[/QUOTE]
I forget, but it's the 23rd century. He's probably over a hundred. That's not hard to imagine since Bones lived from the TOS era and was aboard the Enterprise D in the TNG era at the end of the first episode.
As for his dog, he probably bought another one or breed the one he had. And while Scotty was clearly a cut above the rest of the engineers, he's not presented as some sort of god-like entity. Nor are his discoveries really all that amazing compared to many other things in ST, such as the Genesis technology, which was later used to revive a dead star.
yo nubs....I'm back after a successful concert tour in South America and Japan. What did I miss? oh never mind, I'll read the last few pages :P
hey Kittamaru! was sappaning?! heh (Cheech and Chong reference by the way)
[QUOTE=Hellblade8;2726976]The Scotty in Spock's time invented it. He was essentially saved in a transporter buffer after the TOS movies and ended up in TNG. It's likely that he later finished the theory that he started when he was younger. Thus, Core Spock simply used it because they were in a pinch.
I forget, but it's the 23rd century. He's probably over a hundred. That's not hard to imagine since Bones lived from the TOS era and was aboard the Enterprise D in the TNG era at the end of the first episode.
As for his dog, he probably bought another one or breed the one he had. And while Scotty was clearly a cut above the rest of the engineers, he's not presented as some sort of god-like entity. Nor are his discoveries really all that amazing compared to many other things in ST, such as the Genesis technology, which was later used to revive a dead star.[/QUOTE]
yeah I'd love to quote one book in particular but none of the books in either sci-fi series are cannon. But McCoy, i think, is at LEAST 121 during TNG......
[QUOTE=Kittamaru;2726960]Thing is... a lot of galaxies are of the spiral arm layout...
[img]http://www.christinus.org/images/mw.jpg[/img]
And they would still assign an intrinsic "north" and "south" to the map for the sake of navigation...[/QUOTE]
except this is a 2D image. and, perhaps he just rotated the image.
all that "north" and "south" stuff really makes no sense in a 3D environment where there is no up, down left or right or forward or backward, except for your own perspective.
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I misunderstood the question. I just saw Star Wars vs. Star Trek
and I voted for Star Trek because it's my favorite. In a battle, I'd
put my money on Star Wars. The Trekkers wouldn't be helpless,
though. They can go back in time. I also had the discussion,
"Who would win in a fight, Vader or Spock?" I said, "From a
distance, Vader. Close quarters, Spock." Spock could mind-meld
with him (yes, even through the helmet- happens in the original
series) and even if Vader killed him, Spock could put his katra in
Vader's body.
[QUOTE=Detective;2733334]I misunderstood the question. I just saw Star Wars vs. Star Trek
and I voted for Star Trek because it's my favorite. In a battle, I'd
put my money on Star Wars. The Trekkers wouldn't be helpless,
though. They can go back in time. I also had the discussion,
"Who would win in a fight, Vader or Spock?" I said, "From a
distance, Vader. Close quarters, Spock." Spock could mind-meld
with him (yes, even through the helmet- happens in the original
series) and even if Vader killed him, Spock could put his katra in
Vader's body.[/QUOTE]
mind melt? really, HES A SITH! if Spock mind-melds with him, hes gonna end up a genocidal maniac. plus Vader has a lightsaber. lets see Spock mind-meld with his hand cut of, lmao,
I just had a funny thought... someone like the Breen or that one race in Voyager vs Darth Vader - they have energy dampening fields that work on anything that's based on an EM charge (read, electricity of any sort, and it shuts down). It would be funny as hell to see what Vader would do once his suit and lightsaber turned off...