Star Wars vs Star Trek

[QUOTE=Omega133;2577333]And? Doesn't a mobile suit move?[/QUOTE]

The dimension eater is not a Mobile Suit, it is about the size of one. It is stationary, thought it can be transported. Plus, they demonstrated that skill in a short range.

Here is a clip of the Dimension Eater:

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gX7S8rUfnA&feature=related"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gX7S8rUfnA&feature=related[/URL]

I compared the radius of the the Dimension Eater's Event Horizon to the planets, it was about the same. I overestimated the size of the dimension eater itself slightly, it is smaller then a MS.

[QUOTE=Shogun;2577334]The dimension eater is not a Mobile Suit, it is about the size of one. It is stationary, thought it can be transported. Plus, they demonstrated that skill in a short range.[/QUOTE]

It still moves.

[QUOTE=Omega133;2577342]It still moves.[/QUOTE]

Scientifically yes, but it is too far away to be detected and it is moving with a whole bunch of other stuff (the planet itself, the solar system, the galaxy .etc ), thus camouflaging its movements.

[QUOTE=Shogun;2577344]Scientifically yes, but it is too far away to be detected and it is moving with a whole bunch of other stuff (the planet itself, the solar system, the galaxy .etc ), thus camouflaging its movements.[/QUOTE]

Too far away to be sensed? Not really a such thing with the force.

[QUOTE=Omega133;2577355]Too far away to be sensed? Not really a such thing with the force.[/QUOTE]

Explain why they didn't sense the Vong fleets in the Vong War? Explain why they didn't sense every single CIS attack? Explain why they didn't sense every single Imperial invasion .etc

Plus, it camouflages its movement.

[QUOTE=Shogun;2577360]Explain why they didn't sense the Vong fleets in the Vong War?[/QUOTE]

That one has been explained. The Vong species can't be sensed.

[QUOTE]Explain why they didn't sense every single CIS attack?[/QUOTE]

There was THE Sith Lord behind it. As Yoda mentioned "The Dark Side clouds everything".

[QUOTE]Explain why they didn't sense every single Imperial invasion .etc[/QUOTE]

Because one of the only Jedi's to actually fight with the Rebellion was still developing his powers.

[QUOTE]Plus, it camouflages its movement.[/QUOTE]

Yoda sensed the Chamelion Droids on Ilum when he went to rescue Barris Offee and Luminar Undulli. Even R2-D2 sensed them.

[QUOTE=Omega133;2577364]That one has been explained. The Vong species can't be sensed.[/QUOTE]

Not true, they don't exist in the force, thus you have to sense their movements.

[QUOTE]There was THE Sith Lord behind it. As Yoda mentioned "The Dark Side clouds everything".[/QUOTE]

I will give you that one

[QUOTE]Because one of the only Jedi's to actually fight with the Rebellion was still developing his powers.
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I will give you this one. However, why did the Dark-side users not sense every single rebel fleet movement?

[QUOTE]Yoda sensed the Chamelion Droids on Ilum when he went to rescue Barris Offee and Luminar Undulli. Even R2-D2 sensed them.[/QUOTE]

Movement, they are in motion and they are on the same planet, close range.

[QUOTE=Shogun;2577367]Not true, they don't exist in the force, thus you have to sense their movements.[/QUOTE]

Touche'.

[QUOTE]I will give you this one. However, why did the Dark-side users not sense every single rebel fleet movement?[/QUOTE]

I'm not sure. I would assume that it had something to do with Luke. But other thn that, I don't know.

[QUOTE]Movement, they are in motion and they are on the same planet, close range.[/QUOTE]

Not always. The Chamelions also stood still. And anyways it still proves that Jedi can sense camoflauged things.

[QUOTE=Omega133;2577369]

I'm not sure. I would assume that it had something to do with Luke. But other thn that, I don't know.[/QUOTE]

From my knowledge only the dark side can cloud stuff like that. Also, what about BEFORE Luke was trained by Obi-Wan?

[QUOTE]Not always. The Chamelions also stood still. And anyways it still proves that Jedi can sense camoflauged things.[/QUOTE]

It created movement through sound, and they emitted heat.

[QUOTE=Shogun;2577377]Also, what about BEFORE Luke was trained by Obi-Wan?[/QUOTE]

The Rebels used lightning raids to attack them. They jump in, atack, jump out. And I never said they can track ships, but if your ship were to destroy a planet or ship, they would be sensed immediately.

[QUOTE]It created movement through sound, and they emitted heat.[/QUOTE]

Sound? They didn't make any sound. Especially when walking in the snow. Heat possibly, but on a cold planet their metal would also turn cold.

[QUOTE=Omega133;2577380]The Rebels used lightning raids to attack them. They jump in, atack, jump out. And I never said they can track ships, but if your ship were to destroy a planet or ship, they would be sensed immediately.[/QUOTE]

Then it will be too late once it fires.


[QUOTE]Sound? They didn't make any sound. Especially when walking in the snow. Heat possibly, but on a cold planet their metal would also turn cold.[/QUOTE]

They made sound alright. They emit heat and it is contrast to the cold. Jedi use the force to heighten their senses.

[QUOTE=Shogun;2577383]Then it will be too late once it fires.[/QUOTE]

But you are forgetting that once you fire, hundreds of Star Destroyers would be on your position. One planet is unconsequential to the Empire.

[QUOTE]They made sound alright.[/QUOTE]

You saw the Clone Wars two part series?

[QUOTE]They emit heat and it is contrast to the cold.[/QUOTE]

In a Blizzard, wouldn't it itself become cold?

[QUOTE]Jedi use the force to heighten their senses.[/QUOTE]

And?

[QUOTE=Omega133;2577384]But you are forgetting that once you fire, hundreds of Star Destroyers would be on your position. One planet is unconsequential to the Empire.[/QUOTE]

There a tactic called hit and run, they hit and they retreat back to fold space. Or of course, they devote a few Macross-classes to it, and good luck doing something about it when they are on the scene. They also have reaction warheads, which have awesome firepower , they just spam those with their awesome variable fighters. Their speed, maneuverability, versatility and firepower ( even without reaction warheads ) is greater then those of TIE fighters and gunships, so is their range and operation time. The Variable Fighter pilots also seems to be a lot better. Now then there is also the factor of Gundams....the Lohringrin Positron Cannon......etc.


[QUOTE]You saw the Clone Wars two part series?[/QUOTE]

Yes, they walk in snow, they create sound.....movement in the air causes sound

[QUOTE]In a Blizzard, wouldn't it itself become cold?

It will still emit heat, just like a human in a blizzard.

[QUOTE]And?[/QUOTE]

That means he heard them.

[QUOTE=Shogun;2577392]There a tactic called hit and run, they hit and they retreat back to fold space.[/QUOTE]

We could send an Interdictor Cruiser then activate the Gravity Well Generator. With that in use you would be stuck, and then we just send in the Star Destroyers.

[QUOTE]Or of course, they devote a few Macross-classes to it, and good luck doing something about it when they are on the scene. They also have reaction warheads, which have awesome firepower , they just spam those with their awesome variable fighters. Their speed, maneuverability, versatility and firepower ( even without reaction warheads ) is greater then those of TIE fighters and gunships, so is their range and operation time.[/QUOTE]

Against TIE Defenders? TIE Interceptors? TIE Phantoms? Or even a Zann Consortium Crusader Class Gunship? Note that a Crusader Class has a laser-point defense system that knocks down missiles and torpedoes.

[QUOTE=Omega133;2577397]We could send an Interdictor Cruiser then activate the Gravity Well Generator. With that in use you would be stuck, and then we just send in the Star Destroyers.[/QUOTE]

Fold space is not effected by gravity well like hyperspace.

[QUOTE]Against TIE Defenders? TIE Interceptors? TIE Phantoms? Or even a Zann Consortium Crusader Class Gunship? Note that a Crusader Class has a laser-point defense system that knocks down missiles and torpedoes.[/QUOTE]

You mean Macross-class or Variable Fighters? Both can defeat all you listed.

As for your statement about missiles. Both Gundam and Macross can overwhelm the defense system with their missiles. Also don't forget the other weapons....

[QUOTE=Shogun;2577400]Fold space is not effected by gravity well like hyperspace.[/QUOTE]

Do all their ships use it?

[QUOTE]You mean Macross-class or Variable Fighters? Both can defeat all you listed.[/QUOTE]

I doubt that they would defeat TIE Phantoms. Unlike standard TIE's they are faster, more maneuverable, more durable, have shields, and cloaking devices.

[QUOTE]As for your statement about missiles. Both Gundam and Macross can overwhelm the defense system with their missiles. Also don't forget the other weapons....[/QUOTE]

But obviously the Gunship wouldn't be by itself and wouldn't be the only one of it's kind in the battle.

[QUOTE=Omega133;2577404]Do all their ships use it?[/QUOTE]

Dude, even a variable fighter have it

[QUOTE]I doubt that they would defeat TIE Phantoms. Unlike standard TIE's they are faster, more maneuverable, more durable, have shields, and cloaking devices.[/QUOTE]

Their shields and armor can be easily overwhelmed. They will simply launch reaction warheads before the battle begins, destroying most of them ( if not all ). The insane dodging skill as demonstrated many times will make sure they won't be hit, then melee and fire the places they think the Phantom is, and wait till the Phantom's cloak runs out. Also, it is lost technology....

[QUOTE]But obviously the Gunship wouldn't be by itself and wouldn't be the only one of it's kind in the battle.[/QUOTE]

And obviously, same goes to variable fighters and mobile suits.

I am bringing out Macross and Gundam's stuff one by one instead of bring them all in. Do you want me to bring them all in?

[QUOTE=Shogun;2577406]Their shields and armor can be easily overwhelmed. They will simply launch reaction warheads before the battle begins, destroying most of them ( if not all ).[/QUOTE]

How are they going to know that a fleet is coming? Or even where?

[QUOTE]The insane dodging skill as demonstrated many times will make sure they won't be hit, then melee and fire the places they think the Phantom is, and wait till the Phantom's cloak runs out. Also, it is lost technology....[/QUOTE]

Lost technology?

[QUOTE]And obviously, same goes to variable fighters and mobile suits.[/QUOTE]

Ok let's put it this way: List a bunch of ships that would be in a standard fleet to cover the Dimension Eater, and their capabilities. Then i'll list a fleet that would respond. Then we can take it from there.