Oh, a single ISD, sure...but, fuck, ISD travel in fleets. With support ships. Lots of 'em.
Oh, a single ISD, sure...but, fuck, ISD travel in fleets. With support ships. Lots of 'em.
[QUOTE=Hapsburg]Oh, a single ISD, sure...but, fuck, ISD travel in fleets. With support ships. Lots of 'em.[/QUOTE]
the borg have 5 million cubes at the very least,the empire has 25,000 SDs.
unless every SD gets a 500-1 kill/death ratio BEFORE the borg can adapt to your weapons,SW cant win against JUST the borg.even if you mobilized every single ship,frieghter ,and barge that is in the SW galaxy,its still not even close to the numbers OR firepower of the borg.think about it,25,00 SDs brought your galaxy to its knees,that was all it took to take over 75% of your galaxy,now imagine 5 MILLION cubes vs your 25,000 strongest ships.it doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out the outcome of this one.
1 cube will walk throu 40 federation ships without even taking damage,it will be the same for sw ships.
and even IF sw some how got higher K/D ratio numbers then rambo in every single battle with the borg,you still have 90% of the galaxy to contend with.
just the alpha quad has outnumbered,with ships of equal firepower to anything in SW,and then you have the dominion to deal with,and the jem-dhar,and the gamma quadrant,not to mention all the super powerful uber races of pure energy[and im sure the organians might have a small problem when you show up at their planet] and the frequent spacial and temperal anomalies that plague the trek galaxy.
Face it,SW CANT WIN.
every single SW ship would need a total K/D ratio of 1000/1 to just break even .
the statistical probabilities of sw winning are near impossible.
in the end ,youll be lucky if the borg dont follow you back as you retreat and assimilate your entire galaxy with your own weapons.TLs and hyperdrive might make the borg want to see what else you guys have,they have a habit of doing that.
youd be species 12,758,and theres nothing you can do about it.
resistance is futile.
WE AREN'T FUCKING INVADING YOU GENIUS. Come into our galaxy with as many hundreds of millions of borg cubes as you like, we'll just saw em in half with centerpoint. Done deal.
You can't use statistics to measure an outcome without ACCURATE STATISTICS FROM BOTH SIDES. You know far too little about star wars to have any idea what we're capable of.
[QUOTE=Hapsburg]So? It's still fun.[/QUOTE]
I stand corrected, thats true it is just fun
[QUOTE=seekeroftheway]Exactly. It's a sim. Any single statistic could totally alter the outcome of any engagement. Therefor, for all we know, some 2 should've been a three and in actuality the enterprise could vaporize a star destroyer, or the Millennium Falcon can in fact destroy a borg cube or something. You never know.[/QUOTE]
I can see where your coming from seeker but it is very acuarate and the way its designed the way it works is geared towards it being exactly as you see and hear in the films,episodes,ie,to make sure that it is on the right wave lenght i tested a famous trek battle over and over and the result was always the same exactly what happend in that episode happend over and over in the sim (wolf 359) ,and got a SW loving friend of mine to help construct the same test for star wars ,doing this we are able to obtain a solid basis of which to run the tests from ,this ensures that no ptorps, TLs, phasers ,are too powerfull etc, and yes the cube did beat the SD but if the cube did not have its regenetarive capabilities it would have been turned over by the SD (very powerfull) this is becuse the borg lack any solid tactical capabilities as the feds always gained victory through tactics rather then brawn in the sims
[QUOTE=seekeroftheway]WE AREN'T FUCKING INVADING YOU GENIUS. Come into our galaxy with as many hundreds of millions of borg cubes as you like, we'll just saw em in half with centerpoint. Done deal.
You can't use statistics to measure an outcome without ACCURATE STATISTICS FROM BOTH SIDES. You know far too little about star wars to have any idea what we're capable of.[/QUOTE]
you need to read the first 80 pages of this again.
this is the empire invading the ST galaxy.
Not the impression I've been under since I got here, you just keep coming up with overbearing muscle of borg cubes and Q, and we keep turning around and beating it with something we have. It's an endless cycle, but from what I've seen this whole time, you've been on the offensive.
I really hate to throw this in, i mean, this is the 100th freaking page, it probably has been said already. But... aren't we forgetting something... if the uniiverses were to colide, .. ahmm: Q. (If that's the spelling---- would decimate whoever and whatever, thus, star treck wins).
Obviously Q would win aganist anything from any universe if the any universes were to collide. End of discussion.
What is to go past this discussion then as I see seekeroftheways last post?
I'd have to say star wars, but you know?
[QUOTE=seekeroftheway]Not the impression I've been under since I got here, you just keep coming up with overbearing muscle of borg cubes and Q, and we keep turning around and beating it with something we have. It's an endless cycle, but from what I've seen this whole time, you've been on the offensive.[/QUOTE]
no,this whole time its been an imperial takeover of the trek galaxy.
i think you need to go back and read the first 20 pages or so.
How then is it possible for the empire/good guys to win aganist the "Q deminsion"? Impossible, they can't even visit it, they cannot touch "the Q". The Q can destroy everything and this is the end of the thread, right? What touches this? How is it possible at all, for the star wars universe to touch a Q?
Ok, I will take this a bit further.
[B]IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR STAR WARS TO WIN IF WE CONSIDER THE 2 SEPERATE[/B]. This is my own view, and can take this view further. It truely is impossible for "star wars to win", unless?:
Impossible, first of all, for the simple reason of the Q.
But, what if? What if the 2 universes were collided? What becomes the "target", the 'subject'?
What IF the Q were to happen to be on star wars' side? Or are the Q too much friends with Pickard? I don't see any arguements to this. I believe the thread is already answered with it.
Is it? ;)
Anyone ever play the sw: ccg? Or was it TCG? I don't remember, I know that lord vader kicked butt though. I got only 2 of the card, and I know that the spying mara .. what WASSS her name........ Not mara jade, ..
Anyway, just saying it, I know a lot about star wars, I just can't figure out how star wars could win if we are considering that star treck contains the Q. Which is everything.
OK, existabrent, this is the argument I posed earlier.
In star wars, as I'm sure you know, we have the Teras Kasi martial arts tribes in various areas of the galaxy. If we compare them to real world martial artists, extremely spiritual ones, we might say that, from a totally philosophical standpoint, that they have transcended their "attachment to reality", and therefor see "existence" as an illusion. So in essence, their spirits are detached from the galaxy(s), and the universe, and they exist on the astral plane. Therein, they would have the full ability to wisk away any force or entire war that they might come across.
However, being of such power and with the wisdom needed to have reached that state and attained that power, chances are they wouldn't fight. They'd totally ignore the war going on between the two galaxies as meaningless and probably not even watch. The same concept applies to the Q. If the Q are truly all powerful and all knowing, why would they even bother fighting? They'd probably just poof up a gargantuan big screen TV and drink beers whilst the mortal denizens of the galaxies they rule destroy one another.
My point being, obviously there's super freaking powerful people on either side, but because they're so powerful and such they won't fight, so we can't argue them as a point.
but your still outnumbered 500-1 by JUST the borg,and how long to you think it will take the borg to adapt to TLs and hyperdrive?
as soon as they take any dmage from a TL or see a sw ship use hyperdrive.
They can't adapt to the force, we established this. The Force is alive, it is constantly changing, and any attack from the force is ethereal, not in any way physical, therein, neither the borg nor any of their technology can adapt to it.
well the force didnt give a crap when vader took over the galaxy,in fact,it helped him take it over.
the force wont care when the borg assmilate your galaxy.
omg...(never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers, ladies and gentlemen)....VADER WAS A SERVANT OF THE FORCE. The Borg are the borg. They're part of the force too. It's just a matter of the force giving it's servants power, whereas the borg will just be subject to that power.
Did the Star Trek crowd ever solve that business of being penned into the Milky Way galaxy by something called the "Great Barrier" ?
In my abysmal ignorance I can recall only 2 instances when any ship from within the galaxy passed beyond it.
One was an episode of the original series, wherein a group of aliens somehow modified the Enterprise to be able to pass beyond the barrier.
The other was the latter day feature film which depicted Spock's hitherto unknown [SIZE=1](I think)[/SIZE] "touchy - feely" brother and his mad quest for what he believed to be God.
Seems to me that if this obstacle hasn't been overcome, then there couldn't be a conflict between the two galactic civilizations, 'cos one jes' cain't git to the other...
Question on this force issue...
What could the thing's motivation be in letting a meanie like Vader run amok ?
Some sort of "winnowing of the faithful", perhaps ?
Or perhaps something akin to mainaining a manner of "cosmic balance" ?
dont forget the traveller took the entD to the edge of the universe in 10 seconds.
but this scenario assumes a wormhole between the two galaxies.
and i STILL dont buy this BS that the force can do anything,it seems that WITHOUT a force user,the force is NON existant,just ask all the SLAVES in the sw galaxy.
the force doesnt give a crap about them,it wont care if the borg assimilate everyone.
Mars13, I just got a call from Q he says to shut up. They already had the war and Q is using his weekly call from prison to inform you that you are a complete *%cktard.
The borg do NOT have five million cubes. They have over a trillion drones (as high as two), true enough, but they pack planets with 12 billion drones and have a hundred of those. That is 1.2 trillion. The have fifty or more space complexes like Unimatrix one. Each of those has ten billion average. So there is another 500 billion. Now we have 300 billion divided amount over 1.5 millions ships. Some of those ships are cubes, spheres, freighters, transports, and other such vessels.
In the SW arsenal there is more than just Imperial Star Destroyers. There are Nebulan-B frigates, Victory Class Star Destroyers, Executor class Star Destroyers, Dreadnoughts, World Devastators, Calamari Cruisers, Star Cruisers, Interdictor cruisers, Corellion Gunboats, Bulk Cruisers, ...........the list goes on.