hindu trinity and christian trinity
 

Hinduism has a trinity. It is

1) brahma =creation

2) vishnu= preservation

3) shiva = destruction

Brahma is the supreme God and one who created the universe and mankind in Hinduism. Vishnu overseas life and Shiva is the end of life....the three represent the cycle of life. Beginning duration and end...in its totality.

The catholic church and some other christians have a trinity too:

God
Son (jesus)
and the holy ghost

Could the Christians have drawn from Hindu wisdom with the creation of the trinity?

God created
the holy ghost is a spirt like a soul so it preserves
and jesus who will come back as prophetized in revelations as the destroyer...or one who will return at the end of the world?

[QUOTE=robtex]Brahma is the supreme God and one who created the universe and mankind in Hinduism.
[/QUOTE]
You mistook Brahma, the creator (deity) for Brahman, the supreme reality.
Most of the hindus don't worship Brahma because he tried to fool both Shiva & Vishnu by saying lie. His creation is not perfect anyway. :D

[QUOTE=robtex]God created
the holy ghost is a spirt like a soul so it preserves
and jesus who will come back as prophetized in revelations as the destroyer...or one who will return at the end of the world?[/QUOTE]
Jesus is the saviour to liberate souls from screwed up creation. ;)

If you didn't already know it, all religions come from one teaching, and thus so many similarities. We shouldn't separate religions because they all describe the same thing, somewhat differently. Some people understand buddhism, so they follow it, and in the same way, some people understand christianity, hinduism, islam, or any other religion. The paths are endless but there is only one mountain. When we really start to understand the religion we will start to see god's law in the nature and it will be written in our hearts.

all the trinities describd here come from patriarchal myth. Think however of the Goddess Trinity as phases of the Moon. so we have the Maiden (waxing moon), the Mother/Virgin ('virgin' meaning not celibate, but independent woman. it's original meaning), and Crone (waning moon)

you see the patriarchal version coopted this much more ancient myth, but what it did was demonize the 'virgin/wild woman' and the 'crone/underworld/unconscious/death'. it cast these out and put all their attributes into their scapegoat, the "Devil".
Same it is so with the Indian version. as you can see 'Siva' is masculinized? as are all the patriarchal christian trinity who threw out the wild aspect of the Goddess, keeping the subservient, and passive 'Eve' and 'Virgin Mary'....This wild woman is not gender specific, but is part of each of us which has been suppressed and repressed

It would be interesting if you know that Shiva gave his left half of his body so that his consort (roughly translates to wife) Shakti is literally his other half. Vishnu's consort Lakshmi is living in Vishnu's Heart. Saraswati is equally intellectual and worshipped by everyone unlike her consort(husband) Brahma.

Jesus came as a human being, the Living Word of God. All life flows from Him. All things have their existence in Him. It is He who makes His sun to shine on the hindu man and the christian man. It is he who makes his sun shine on the god fearing and the godless. It is by His hands that we are created and by His hands that we will be destroyed. Who then should you turn to for wisdom? In all reverence I say eternal life is freely available to all who believe in Him that is. Eternal life should be the gift that man seeks since you are so frustrated that you cannot achieve this by yourself. You do not even know which day you shall die but God does.

peace

c20

[QUOTE=robtex]Hinduism has a trinity. It is

1) brahma =creation

2) vishnu= preservation

3) shiva = destruction

Brahma is the supreme God and one who created the universe and mankind in Hinduism. Vishnu overseas life and Shiva is the end of life....the three represent the cycle of life. Beginning duration and end...in its totality.
[/QUOTE]

Incorrect. Vishnu is the Supreme Lord (spirit) who maintains, Brahma, is the first created being (from Vishnus abdomen), creator of the Planetary systems and progenitor of the universe (father), Shiva, is the son of Brahma, whose job is to destroy the universe a certain point in time (Rudra).

Jan Ardena.

what768

[quote]they all describe the same thing, somewhat differently[/quote]

Ametuer.
Norse religion and the Aztecs contradict Bhuddism and Christianity so well, you should cork it.

[QUOTE=Jan Ardena]Shiva, is the son of Brahma[/QUOTE]
Are you joking?

[QUOTE=everneo]Are you joking?[/QUOTE]

No.

It is said that Lord Shiva was born from between the eyes of Lord Brahma.

Jan Ardena.

It was said by whom? where???

[QUOTE=everneo]It was said by whom? where???[/QUOTE]

It is clearly stated in the Bhagavat Purana (Srimad Bhagavatam);

Canto; 3.12.6

[I]so 'vadhyātaḥ sutair evaḿ
pratyākhyātānuśāsanaiḥ
krodhaḿ durviṣahaḿ jātaḿ
niyantum upacakrame[/I]

SYNONYMS

saḥ — he (Brahmā); avadhyātaḥ — thus being disrespected; sutaiḥ — by the sons; evam — thus; pratyākhyāta — refusing to obey; anuśāsanaiḥ — the order of their father; krodham — anger; durviṣaham — too much to be tolerated; jātam — thus generated; niyantum — to control; upacakrame — tried his best.

TRANSLATION

On the refusal of the sons (Kumaras) to obey the order of their father, there was much anger generated in the mind of Brahmā, which he tried to control and not express.

3.12.7.

[I]dhiyā nigṛhyamāṇo 'pi
bhruvor madhyāt prajāpateḥ
sadyo 'jāyata tan-manyuḥ
kumāro nīla-lohitaḥ[/I]

SYNONYMS

dhiyā — by intelligence; nigṛhyamāṇaḥ — being controlled; api — in spite of; bhruvoḥ — of the eyebrows; madhyāt — from between; prajāpateḥ — of Brahmā; sadyaḥ — at once; ajāyata — generated; tat — his; manyuḥ — anger; kumāraḥ — a child; nīla-lohitaḥ — mixture of blue and red.

TRANSLATION

Although he tried to curb his anger, it came out from between his eyebrows, and a child mixed blue and red was immediately generated.


3.12.10.

[I]yad arodīḥ sura-śreṣṭha
sodvega iva bālakaḥ
tatas tvām abhidhāsyanti
nāmnā rudra iti prajāḥ[/I]

SYNONYMS

yat — as much as; arodīḥ — cried loudly; sura-śreṣṭha — O chief of the demigods; sa-udvegaḥ — with great anxiety; iva — like; bālakaḥ — a boy; tataḥ — therefore; tvām — you; abhidhāsyanti — will call; nāmnā — by the name; rudraḥ — Rudra; iti — thus; prajāḥ — people.

TRANSLATION

Thereafter Brahmā said: O chief of the demigods, you shall be called by the name Rudra by all people because you have so anxiously cried.


3.12.12.

[I]manyur manur mahinaso
mahāñ chiva ṛtadhvajaḥ
ugraretā bhavaḥ kālo
vāmadevo dhṛtavrataḥ[/I]

SYNONYMS

manyuḥ, manuḥ, mahinasaḥ, mahān, śivaḥ, ṛtadhvajaḥ, ugaretāḥ, bhavaḥ, kālaḥ, vāmadevaḥ, dhṛtavrataḥ — all names of Rudra.

TRANSLATION

Lord Brahmā said: My dear boy Rudra, you have eleven other names: Manyu, Manu, Mahinasa, Mahān, Śiva, Ṛtadhvaja, Ugraretā, Bhava, Kāla, Vāmadeva and Dhṛtavrata.

Jan Ardena.

The Christian Trinity is described most commonly as:

Father
Son
Holy Spirit

Realize that genders are irrelivant to the actuality of God here, since God wouldn't even have a gender, the given genders are simply representative of ideas.

The three persons of the Christian Trinity have also been described as such:

Father - Creator - Will (Free)
Son - Word - Intellect
Holy Spirit - Life - Love

It is said that the Son was begotten of the Father, meaning that the Intellect is a result of Free Will, and that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son, meaning that emotion is a result of an interaction between the intellect and will. This is the Image of God that the Bible describes, which is imprinted into every human being. In Hinduism, it is called divinity. The Trinity of God, however, is eternal, and therefore, the Son, as being begotten of the Father, is symbolic, since both would have always existed necessarily. The same is to be said of the Holy Spirit. This being because God is an infinite being, and therefore no person is different from another, and all three are identical, hence one being. The persons, however, are actually the different axioms of that which is, and as such, Christians call God Trinitarian.

Clearly, this may be similar to the Hindu Trinity, but it is not a definite source match (at least by what it has been described here).

hey BTS...good to hear from you. Let me isolate the Christian holy spirt for a second if you will....I want to ask you, and other Christians who may be poking in over here...when you say the H. Ghost is life and love....how did you reach that conclusion ? I ask because living in the bible belt (texas) I noticed there seems to be some confusion over who he is or what he does. I threw out the idea of him being like the hindu God Vishnu because I thought the holy ghost might be like the summation of all the souls.

I threw out Jesus as the destroyer because he is to come back in Christian prophecy, on the last day----the 2nd comming, and with him comes the destruction of earth...he is benevolent in his words but his Christian destiny is the apocalypse.

thanks robtex, it's nice to have a voice that is appreciated. :)

In regards to your question concerning the Holy Spirit, I will answer that my conclusions concerning the Holy Spirit come out of Scripture, Philosophic Tradition, as well as my own ponderings on the subject.

Firstly, with regards to the Holy Spirit being Love, this comes out of a philosophic tradition concerning the identity of the Christian Trinity. I will give a more in-depth descrpition of the Trinity according to the Tradition as it was described to me.

God the Father, being the origin, the creator, and infinite in Himself, understood and knew Himself perfectly. As it is, according to metaphysics, the first act of any spirit is to know, this being because spirits are free willing and intellectual. Hence, a conscious entity, the first act of God, wrought out from all eternity, was to know, and what was there to know aside from Himself? Hence, the first eternal act of God was knowledge of Himself. Now, it is said that when God thinks, or when a thought enters into the mind of God, that thought becomes reality (I am not sure from where this reasoning arises, but I take it that it has to do with the nature of God as an infinite being). Hence, in the first eternal act of God, perfectly knowing Himself, the son was begotten (again, from eternity). Since the Son is that perfect knowledge of God's own being, the Son is identical with the Father, and hence by nature of being infinite, they are one and the same entity. God understood Himself perfectly, and in knowing His perfection, and infinity, could only but feel a kind of love for Himself that no other being could claim. As such, His Son, being identical with Himself, was also worthy of such a love. The Son, also recognizing these truths, both loved Himself perfectly, and the Father perfectly, they being the same being, and therefore worthy of equal love. Because this love was of an infinite nature, and was an intellectual love, based upon knowledge of one for the other and each of himself, that intellectual love is the proceeding of the Holy Spirit. Since this love is infinite, and of an intellectual nature, as well as fully, and freely willed, to an infinite extent, it is therefore identical with both the Father and the Son, in being. Hence, three infinite persons, one infinite being.

It is by my own meanderings that I came to realize that this was a commentary on the nature of Free Will, Intellect, and Emotion. For, the Image Of God, as spoken of in the Genesis, is this very notion.

Secondly, in regards to the Holy Spirit being Life, I take this from Scriptures, and conclusion concerning it was arrived at by my own contemplations. Jesus said, "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life." I came to understand this as another depiction of the Trinity. The Way referring to the Father, the Creator, the Will. The Truth referring to the Son, the Word, the Intellect. Finally, the Life, referring to the Holy Spirit, Love, Emotion. If one looks at the derivation, etymologically speaking, of the word spirit, it originates from "breath" or "wind." This being spoken in reference to living creatures. Breath was a sign of life. Even plants are said to have souls. This is because to have a soul, or spirit, means simply to have life. Ergo, in naming the third person of the Trinity the Holy SPIRIT, it was a declaration of the Life of God.

Now, concerning the Second Coming of Christ, Jesus isn't considered the Destroyer. It is true that when Jesus is believed to come again, it will be at the end of time (or the end of the world), but there was never the connotation (I think) that He would be the destroyer of time (or the world.... I'm not entirely sure which it is). However, I'm certainly not infallible, and I could be wrong.

[QUOTE=Jan Ardena]It is clearly stated in the Bhagavat Purana (Srimad Bhagavatam);[/quote]
Shiva Purana would tell you different story.

Each Purana dedicated to certain God would shamelessly degrade other Gods.
I would take not even 50% as truth from the puranas.


[Quote]3.12.10.

[I]yad arodīḥ sura-śreṣṭha
sodvega iva bālakaḥ
tatas tvām abhidhāsyanti
nāmnā rudra iti prajāḥ[/I]

SYNONYMS

yat — as much as; arodīḥ — cried loudly; sura-śreṣṭha — O chief of the demigods; sa-udvegaḥ — with great anxiety; iva — like; bālakaḥ — a boy; tataḥ — therefore; tvām — you; abhidhāsyanti — will call; nāmnā — by the name; rudraḥ — Rudra; iti — thus; prajāḥ — people.

TRANSLATION

Thereafter Brahmā said: O chief of the demigods, you shall be called by the name Rudra by all people because you have so anxiously cried.[/Quote]

Rudras, lots of them were there, called so for their ferociousness. The basic word is "Raudhram" means anger.

[Quote]
3.12.12.

[I]manyur manur mahinaso
mahāñ chiva ṛtadhvajaḥ
ugraretā bhavaḥ kālo
vāmadevo dhṛtavrataḥ[/I]

SYNONYMS

manyuḥ, manuḥ, mahinasaḥ, mahān, śivaḥ, ṛtadhvajaḥ, ugaretāḥ, bhavaḥ, kālaḥ, vāmadevaḥ, dhṛtavrataḥ — all names of Rudra.

TRANSLATION

Lord Brahmā said: My dear boy Rudra, you have eleven other names: Manyu, Manu, Mahinasa, Mahān, Śiva, Ṛtadhvaja, Ugraretā, Bhava, Kāla, Vāmadeva and Dhṛtavrata.[/Quote]

This Chiva and Lord Shiva were not the same person. This Kala and the Yama (the god of death, who is also called Kala) cannot be the same person. Manu who devised social laws certainly cannot be this guy. ;)

[QUOTE=robtex]hey BTS...good to hear from you. Let me isolate the Christian holy spirt for a second if you will....I want to ask you, and other Christians who may be poking in over here...when you say the H. Ghost is life and love....how did you reach that conclusion ? I ask because living in the bible belt (texas) I noticed there seems to be some confusion over who he is or what he does. I threw out the idea of him being like the hindu God Vishnu because I thought the holy ghost might be like the summation of all the souls.

I threw out Jesus as the destroyer because he is to come back in Christian prophecy, on the last day----the 2nd comming, and with him comes the destruction of earth...he is benevolent in his words but his Christian destiny is the apocalypse.[/QUOTE]

The Holy Ghost is the spirit of God. A [i]living[/i] wind from God sent to believer's of Jesus Christ. The Spirit is received freely by all whom believe on the name of Jesus Christ. Faith in Jesus is the [i]conception[/i] of being forgiven through Him. This is the starting point of humility and without this the Holy Spirit is not willing to begin it's work with you.
Accepting Jesus in your life is to say "I am not good. Only God is Good. Thank you Jesus that you became sin and took the punishment due to me and thank God that you are risen that I may know the Father even as you know the Father and that in you I have eternal life."
From this moment the Spirit is upon you jealously redeeming you from the world of men so that you may be acceptable to God. The Holy Spirit is a refining fire. Your mind will be renewed as it is transformed to be as the mind of Christ. The Holy Spirit is refered to as the [i]Helper[/i].
Anyone may call [i]me[/i] what they like but to blaspheme against the Spirit of God may never be forgiven.

peace

c20

[QUOTE=everneo]Shiva Purana would tell you different story.

[QUOTE]Each Purana dedicated to certain God would shamelessly degrade other Gods.[/QUOTE]

How is Lord Shiva degraded?

[QUOTE]I would take not even 50% as truth from the puranas.[/QUOTE]

What do you accept as truth?
And why?

[QUOTE]Rudras, lots of them were there, called so for their ferociousness. The basic word is "Raudhram" means anger.[/QUOTE]

The chief god being Lord Shiva.
In 3.12.10 Brahma addresses Shiva as [i]sura-śreṣṭha[/i] Chief of the demigods.

[QUOTE]This Chiva and Lord Shiva were not the same person. This Kala and the Yama (the god of death, who is also called Kala) cannot be the same person. [/QUOTE]

Here are some meanings of 'Yama' other than the god of death which are attributed to Lord Shiva. Also, one meaning of 'Kala' is sweet and indistinct.

1.restraining;
2.control;
3.self-control;
4.any great moral or religious duty or observance;
5.the first of the eight aGgas or means of attaining yoga;

Yama, the god of death, being a material (albeit powerful) being is subject to death.

[quote]Manu who devised social laws certainly cannot be this guy. ;)[/QUOTE]

gṛhaṇaitani namani
sthanani ca sa-yoṣaṇaḥ
ebhiḥ sṛja praja bahvīḥ
prajanam asi yat patiḥ

SYNONYMS

gṛhaṇa — just accept; etani — all these; namani — different names; sthanni — as well as places; ca — also; sa-yoṣaṇaḥ — along with wives; ebhiḥ — with them; sṛja — just generate; prajāḥ — progeny; bahvīḥ — on a large scale; prajānām — of the living entities; asi — you are; yat — since; patiḥ — the master.

TRANSLATION

My dear boy, you may now accept all the names and places designated for you and your different wives, and since you are now one of the masters of the living entities, you may increase the population on a large scale.

This makes him a 'manu'.

Jan Ardena.

[QUOTE=Jan Ardena]In 3.12.10 Brahma addresses Shiva as [i]sura-śreṣṭha[/i] Chief of the demigods.[/Quote]
Brahma was addressing Chiva not Lord Shiva.



[Quote]TRANSLATION

My dear boy, you may now accept all the names and places designated for you and your different wives, and since you are now one of the masters of the living entities, you may increase the population on a large scale.

This makes him a 'manu'.[/QUOTE]

When you explain, at length, why he is a 'manu', not the human king manu, it is funny that you conveniently skip to discuss why he is just a 'rudra' not Lord Shiva, why he is Chiva not Lord Shiva.

Lord Vishnu is Great, that does not mean Lord Shiva has to be 'depicted' somehow as a lesser creature than Vishnu & his son brahma.

everneo,

[QUOTE]Brahma was addressing Chiva not Lord Shiva. [/QUOTE]

LOL! There is no Chiva, that is a spelling error.

[QUOTE]When you explain, at length, why he is a 'manu', not the human king manu, it is funny that you conveniently skip to discuss why he is just a 'rudra' not Lord Shiva, why he is Chiva not Lord Shiva. [/QUOTE]

Please read Srimad Bhagavatam and see for yourself.

[quote]Lord Vishnu is Great, that does not mean Lord Shiva has to be 'depicted' somehow as a lesser creature than Vishnu & his son brahma.[/QUOTE]

In Bhagavat Purana, Lord Shiva is described as almost on the same level as Lord Vishnu.

Check your PM.

Jan Ardena.

The Christian man holds faith to the following. I think it explains the relationship we have to God rather well.

"For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many "gods" and many "lords"), yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live," (1 Cor. 8:5-6, NIV).

Behold! An interesting article on the subject of the Christian doctrine surrounding the Holy Trinity...

Taken from [url]http://www.abcog.org/onegod.htm[/url]

The Doctrine of the Trinity is one attempt at a solution. The term "God" is redefined such that the Father, the Son and the personified Holy Spirit are combined into one quasi-individual to accord with Deut. 6:4. This quasi-individual can then be unpacked into three distinct entities when theologically convenient as, for instance, in explaining I Cor. 8:6

But we haven't yet heard from Jesus!

" The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? [Psa. 82:6, Jewish Publication Society "divine beings", which means the same thing!] If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? (John 10:33-36)
What is Jesus talking about here? He is saying that the "strict monotheism" of the Jews does not accord with Scripture! He is saying there can be many gods!

Indeed this is the promise of the Christian "good news"!

Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. (I John 3:2)
How can we be like Jesus, if he is part of a fixed "Trinity"? We can't be! What does it mean to be a "Son of God", and yet not be able to attain to god-level status?

Jesus came to reveal the God as a Father (Matt. 11:27). In other words, that the Supreme God is a Father, the head of a Family. Jesus is the eldest son, also a god-level being:

"And Thomas answered and said unto him [Jesus], My Lord and my God." (John 20:28)
Jesus is the "firstborn among many brethren" (Rom. 8:29). All Christians, begotten as children of God by means of the Holy Spirit, will also be god-level beings, part of the divine family:

And [the Lord] will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty. (2 Cor. 6:18)
Our Father's purpose, from the very beginning, was to create us in His image (Gen. 1:27). This is exactly how all parents start their families!

The wonderful message of Jesus is that the supreme God is a Father, who wants a large family of god-level Sons and Daughters. Our Father wants you in His family to share, in love, all His wonderful attributes for all eternity!

How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation! (Heb. 2:3)


peace

c20

[QUOTE=Jan Ardena]LOL! There is no Chiva, that is a spelling error.[/Quote]
Then it is a huge spelling error in the sanskrit text you quoted.

[Quote]Please read Srimad Bhagavatam and see for yourself.[/Quote]
For a change, please read Shiva purana or Skanda purana and find out Shiva has no bigining and no end. Infact it says Vishnu was created by Shiva!!. ;)



[Quote]In Bhagavat Purana, Lord Shiva is described as almost on the same level as Lord Vishnu.

Check your PM.[/Quote]
Thanx for the link. By saying Shiva was created you already put him down far below Vishnu & Brahma. :p

Such arguments like who is greater, was happening long long back. In this modern time, i feel like shit to carry on this nonsense. All are same old 'Brahman' in different forms. Period. :cool:

everneo,

[QUOTE]
Then it is a huge spelling error in the sanskrit text you quoted.[/QUOTE]

You are indeed correct and i am stumped as to how it wasn't checked and corrected. But if you read in chapter 4 you will find the correct spellings.

[QUOTE]For a change, please read Shiva purana or Skanda purana and find out Shiva has no bigining and no end. Infact it says Vishnu was created by Shiva!!. ;) [/QUOTE]

You are correct, but there are reasons for this, one reason being that they are [i]tamasic[/i] by nature, which is the source of contention between shaivites and vaishnavites. Fortunately, having read Bhagava Purana before any others, i have never had any reason to doubt the high status of Lord Shiva and his similarity to Lord Vishnu. In the Brahma Samitas Siva is described thus;

[I]Ksiram yatha dadhi vikara-visesa-yogat
Sanjiayate na hi tatah prthag asti hetoh
Yah sambhutarn api tatha samupaiti karyad
Govindam adi-purusam tam aham bhajami[/I]

Just as milk is transformed into curd by the action of acids, but yet the effect curd is neither same as, nor different from, its cause, viz., milk, so I adore the primeval Lord Govinda of whom the state of Sambhu is a transformation for the performance of the work of destruction.
(Sri Brahma Samhita, 5.45)


[QUOTE]By saying Shiva was created you already put him down far below Vishnu & Brahma. :p [/QUOTE]

In all honesty i didn't say he was created, i said he (Rudra) was born from between the eyes of Lord Brahma due to his (Brahma) curbed anger. It is this form of Lord Shiva that makes up the trinity, creator, maintainer and destroyer.

[QUOTE]All are same old 'Brahman' in different forms. Period.[/QUOTE]

I'm afraid it's not quite as simple as that.

Brahma-samhita

TEXT 1

[I]
isvarah paramah krsnah
sac-cid-ananda-vigraha
anadir adir govindah
sarva-karana-karanam[/I]

isvarah--the controller; paramah--supreme; krsnah--Lord Krsna; sat--comprising eternal existence; cit--absolute knowledge; ananda--and absolute bliss; vigrahah--whose form; anadih--without beginning; adih--the origin; govindah--Lord Govinda; sarva-karana-karanam--the cause of all causes.

TRANSLATION

Krsna who is known as Govinda is the Supreme Godhead. He has an eternal blissful spiritual body. He is the origin of all. He has no other origin and He is the prime cause of all causes.

Jan Ardena.

Everneo,

Let me expound a little bit;
First of all, Brahma and Brahman are two different things : Brahman is absolute truth(read my thread to kmguru and raj for details) ,it is stuff that we are made up of, it is the absolute reality,rest everything including trinity of lords is a [b]Myth[/b] mentioned in Mandukya Upnishad and Rig Ved as well.

And there fore Brahma is the name of the Creator Lord.

bye!

And Remember,

Jan Ardena might be Vaishnva,so she will always say Krishna was the suprem head of all,;) hahaaha...If you want some neutral perspective: consult someone else.I would not comment on Jan's comments since i pray all of the lords and pay respect to them equally: i love them all. :)

--Thanks--

I second everneo. I am a fairly devoted Hindu, though not a master of the texts. But I have never heard this version of Siva being the son of Brahma in my life!!!

Maya (=mystery), the precursor of all, was won over by Siva among the trinity and thus she gave all her powers to Siva including her third eye. Hence Siva was the most powerful among the trinity, though he was always a yogi- simple & detached; and easy to please. The consorts of the trinity are parts of the maya itself.

And if as per Jan's theory, if Siva was the son of Brahma, it would have been very prominent when Siva chopped off one of Brahma's four heads; and Siva would have been a brother to Narada, which also would have been very prominent!

However, these superiority trifles are not for those who follow Hinduism by its spirit, but for those who take it by the letter! Personification of the trinity is an over-simplification (probably for the masses) of a mysterious hyper-truth!

[QUOTE=UltiTruth]I second everneo. I am a fairly devoted Hindu, though not a master of the texts. But I have never heard this version of Siva being the son of Brahma in my life!!!

Maya (=mystery), the precursor of all, was won over by Siva among the trinity and thus she gave all her powers to Siva including her third eye. Hence Siva was the most powerful among the trinity, though he was always a yogi- simple & detached; and easy to please. The consorts of the trinity are parts of the maya itself.

However, these superiority trifles are not for those who follow Hinduism by its spirit, but for those who take it by the letter! Personification of the trinity is an over-simplification (probably for the masses) of a mysterious hyper-truth![/QUOTE]

Krishna was the son of Vasudev in His incarnation, but we know that Arjuna accepted Krishna as [I]Param-Brahman[/I], the source of everything including Vasudev.
Lord Shiva has a role within the Trinity, and that role is to anihilate the universe at a given time. The specific character is name Rudra who is one aspect of Lord Shiva, who was generated from the brow of Lord Brahma, in a moment of anger, hence Brahmaji is the father of Rudra, who is an aspect of Lord Shiva.

[QUOTE]And if as per Jan's theory, if Siva was the son of Brahma, it would have been very prominent when Siva chopped off one of Brahma's four heads; and Siva would have been a brother to Narada, which also would have been very prominent![/QUOTE]

It is not my theory, it is clearly documented in the Srimad Bhagavatam, as i have already quoted some passages.

Didn't Brahma have 5 heads, of which one was chopped off by Shiva?

Jan Ardena.

[QUOTE=what768]If you didn't already know it, all religions come from one teaching, and thus so many similarities. We shouldn't separate religions because they all describe the same thing, somewhat differently. Some people understand buddhism, so they follow it, and in the same way, some people understand christianity, hinduism, islam, or any other religion. The paths are endless but there is only one mountain. When we really start to understand the religion we will start to see god's law in the nature and it will be written in our hearts.[/QUOTE]



write on what. i agree.

as for trinity, in buddhism, the tri-kaya. its all connected. also we're not really following anything but a drive to apprehend ever more. the religions the saints saviours and gurus, just walkways. interesting, sometimes useful, never really necessary. we will find our way.

Someone posted : You mistook Brahma for Brahman.You are wrong my friend.Brahman is different from Brahma.Brahma is God who is manifestation of Brahman.

I suppose you got it?

[QUOTE=robtex]Hinduism has a trinity. It is

1) brahma =creation

2) vishnu= preservation

3) shiva = destruction

Brahma is the supreme God and one who created the universe and mankind in Hinduism. Vishnu overseas life and Shiva is the end of life....the three represent the cycle of life. Beginning duration and end...in its totality.

The catholic church and some other christians have a trinity too:

God
Son (jesus)
and the holy ghost

Could the Christians have drawn from Hindu wisdom with the creation of the trinity?

God created
the holy ghost is a spirt like a soul so it preserves
and jesus who will come back as prophetized in revelations as the destroyer...or one who will return at the end of the world?[/QUOTE]

You made a mistake. Christianity never taught trinity and Hinduism too. Hinduism teaches about Trimurti. B, V, S.

Catholicism teaches about trinity. Christianity acknowledged the presence of three: God the Father, God the Son, and Holy Spirit. But trinity which teaches about their co-equal powers is not the doctrine taught by the apostles and the early christians.

[QUOTE=Jan Ardena]


TRANSLATION

Krsna who is known as Govinda is the Supreme Godhead. He has an eternal blissful spiritual body. He is the origin of all. He has no other origin and He is the prime cause of all causes.

Jan Ardena.[/QUOTE]

but i thought ahum brahmasmi or i am brahma is the ultimate for every hindu..if vishnu is the greatest then y is it that the above phrase is so widely seeked after?