A question about Soviet Kremlin

Discussion in 'History' started by mountainhare, Mar 1, 2006.

  1. comisaru Registered Senior Member

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    I thought that the terorists that fight againsts Russia are chechens, not georgians, at least this is presented in the international media.
    Even so, I should'n hate them so much, they want just to be free. The ages of empires are gone, so Russia have to accomodate with the new reality. Any way Russia is a big country, with a great history and culture, and will play an importantant role in the world.
    Hateing the neighbours is not a solution, all you could gain is a similar response.
     
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  3. draqon Banned Banned

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    No man u got it wrong, I hate them for not who they are, I hate them for what they did and are still doing. Look at the map, Chechnya is right above Georgia. Georgians always tried to expand their territorry, so funding rebels in Chechnya is an obvious choice for them. Make Chechen people free? huh?....that would be the beginning of an apocalypse for Russia. Chechnya is the only part of Russia were almost 80% of people have no jobs, and why is that? Because historically they did not have any jobs, their only job was to raid Russians or whomever was near them and then steal from those people, Chechens also historically and now sell drugs. In fact in Moscow almost all of the killings and drug deals are done by immigrants, and not just Azerbaijani people, or people of Kazahstan or any other countries, but Chechens. Whats worse is that every time president Putin and Moscow administration tries to help the situation by funding money to rebuild Chechnya, the generals of Russia steal the money, because they are told so by the rebels who control the drug flow. Checnya is a mud hole, Chechnens control generals and the general population by blowing up pipelines or doing terrorist attacks such as Beslan. Now I am not sure if you know it, but before Beslan there were other terrorist attacks...all by Chechens.... The Nord-Ost theater were the chechens...the series of car bombs planted in Moscow is also Chechens...The metropoliten metro explosion that killed 200 people and more in other attacks...also Chechens....the two planes one heading to the city of Vladimir and other to Saratov...also Chechens. However to make the matters worse, the Europe and USA do not recognize Chechens separatists as terrorists, the recent city of Nalchik siege does not mean anything to them, the media sees the chechens as poor guys who have been oppressed by Russia, meanwhile Chechens cut of heads of russian soldiers, commit crimes against children, blow up streets of moscow, bring in drugs and weaponry. Now you judge what Chechens really are, are they are what they claim to be, or are they terrorists? I go with the second one.

    Here see the Chechens...and those children are also Chechens...they even kill their own children...they're like the shiites in Iraq and the shiites tradition of cutting part of the child head so that blood flows out...one of shii'te traditions....Dont believe me? go search it up on google...Amnesty international dont know the real Chechens.

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  5. mountainhare Banned Banned

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    dragon:
    It's interesting that you bring that up.

    Just compare what happens in Chechyna to what happens in Iraq. It is pretty much the same thing. Occupation by the Allies/Russia. The occupied carry out acts of insurgency, terrorism, and lopping heads off of soldiers.

    However, then look at how the Western media spins it. In Iraq, the insurgents are 'evil terrorists' who are fighting 'the good and noble West'. The noble west only wants to bring Iraq peace, prosperity, and democracy. How dare those dirty Arab savages interfere!
    Yet in Russia, the Chechyans are heroes. Why? What is the difference between Chechyan rebels, and Iraqi rebels? Both use acts of terrorism. Both are insurgents. Both are under occupation. Russia could claim that it is aiming to spread democracy, peace and prosperity, just like the Allies in Iraq.

    Oh wait, the difference is that the Chechyan's are fighting the big bad Russians, so obviously the Chechyans are heroes. Meanwhile, the Iraqi insurgents are scum, because they are fighting the glorious West.

    Despite the fall of the Berlin Wall, Russiophobia is still prevalent in the West, and especially in America. Which is odd, since America really has no excuse to hate/fear Russia. America was never invaded by Russia. It was never occupied by Russia. I could understand Russiophobia from a Chechyan, but not from the American media..
     
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  7. dixonmassey Valued Senior Member

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    Actually, Lenin doesn't have a droplet of the Russian or slavic, for that matter, blood. His mother was mostly Jewish with some German or Sweds mix ins. His father was Kakmyk ( nomadic tribe at the time, living around northern Kaspian sea).
     
  8. dixonmassey Valued Senior Member

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    First, how national composition of the Russian Revolutionary government is related to the WII, which happened 25 years after revolution. By that time, the number of Jews in government was greatly diminished.
    Second, famine in Ukraine happened in 1932-33. WWII began 8 years after that (for USSR).
    Third, 7 millions is somewhat high number, which doesn't justify anything, but it's unrealistically high.
    Fourth, 20 + Jews in government could do nothing without active support of the Russians (or Ukrainians, who did grain confiscation and collectivization, which were responsible for the famine)

    they will say that THEIR holocaust was THE holocaust. Nothing else comes near.
     
  9. dixonmassey Valued Senior Member

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    That's quite a news. Georgians were Orthodox Christians for 1500 years or so (much longer than Russians, btw).

    Sorry man, the rest of the post is impossible to comment, laughing shakes my fingers. You must be citizen of the Russian Federation grown and educated in States. That explains

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  10. dixonmassey Valued Senior Member

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    Don't agree so fast. Jews are indeed special in this regard, that's why they've been preserved for so long. Most of them consider themselves as Jews (as nationality, not religion) first and citizen of the country X, second. Jews is a Jew, not Russian, not American, not ... To be considered a Jew (by Jews), religion is IRRELEVANT, all you need is to have enough of jewish ancestors in your mother's line. Most of Jews marry another ethnic Jew, no matter where they live, not matter their religion. Such a behavior is hard to expect if a Jew would be indeed a Russian or American... first.
     
  11. River Ape Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, you are right about that, dixonmassey, though I don't know whether it's right to say his mother was "mostly" Jewish. I simply posted the list as given by Wilson.

    I think Lenin would have approved of the description "Russian", as he did his best to keep quiet about his origins. In pre-revolutionary days Lenin was known to his comrades as "the Mongol" on account of the oriental features inherited from his father. But no one among the Russian public, I think, was given a hint of Lenin's Kalmuck origins in Soviet times.

    However, there are stories that his father was a "Kalmuck Jew"; that his real name was Zederbaum rather than Ulyanov; that he was a circumcised Jew. Who knows! One should employ a large measure of skepticism.

    BTW, I believe both Lenin and Stalin were fluent speakers of Yiddish.
     

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