From my understanding, Stalin was not Russian. He was Georgian. What about the other members of the Soviet Kremlin? Were the majority Russian? Or were they mainly Ukrainian and Georgian?
Yeah he was Georgian, but he changed his name from Ioseb Jughashvili to Iosif Stalin to sound more Russian. He also spent alot of time in Siberia in his youth, which explains his insanity. But most of the other members of the Politburo were Russian.
Robert Wilson, Russian correspondent of The Times, reported that the initial Soviet Cabinet (Council of People's Commissars of the Russian Soviet Federation of Socialist Republics, c.1920) was constituted as follows: President Ulyanov (Lenin) Russian Foreign Affairs Tchitcherine Russian Nationalities Djugashvili (Stalin) Georgian Agriculture Protian Armenian Economic Council Lourie (Larine) Jew Food Schlichter Jew Army & Navy Bronstein (Trotsky) Jew State Control Lander Jew State Lands Kauffman Jew Works V. Schmidt Jew Social Relief E. Lelina (Knigissen) Jewess Public Instruction Lounatcharsky Russian Religions Spitzberg Jew Interior Apfelbaum (Zinovief) Jew Hygiene Anvelt Jew Finance Isidore Goukovski Jew Press Volodarski Jew Elections Ouritski Jew Justice I. Steinberg Jew Refugees Fenigstein Jew The composition by nationalities varied widely during the Soviet period. The prominence of Jews in the early period may in part be explained by the fact that the works of Marx and Engels were most widely read by their fellow Jews. Stalin undoubtedly enjoyed Jewish backing at first, even though his deadly rival Trotsky was Jewish. The Jews may have thought that they could handle him, and that as a Georgian he was an outsider, disconnected from Russian power structures, who would continue to need their support. It might be added that his wife was Jewish.
River Ape: Thanks for that list! I was able to google it, and find an excellent site: http://www.heretical.com/miscellx/bolshies.html I asked this question, because I find it rather interesting when people sass on the Russians for atrocities committed by the Soviet Union, especially during WWII. The fact of the matter is that Stalin was NOT Russian, he was Georgian. And the majority of the Kremlin were actually Jews. If we use the logic of the Russaphobes, you'd come to the conclusion that Georgians and Jews are evil. After all, look at all the atrocities they committed during WW2...
spurious: So? Ir-fucking-relevant. Jews constituted the majority of the Kremlin. So if we are to adopt the logic of the Russophobes, then JEWS are evil. After all, a majorly Jewish Kremlin gave the thumbs up for numerous atrocities during WWII, including the starvation of 7 million Ukranians. Someone should show this to the Jews the next time they bitch about the Holocaust...
The original question is nationality. Jew is not a nationality. You can just as well ask if stalin was catholic.
Wait, wasn't Georgia part of the Russian Empire in the 1870s? Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Georgia is a totally different country from Russia. Georgians are all muslims, the reason why today there is distress in Chechnya (south Russia) is because Georgians are trying to carve more land out of Russia. Georgia follows the tactics and has the culture from Turkey, Russian enemy since Russia has became an actual country in 990 A.D. In my view of all the rulers, the jews were the best rulers of them all, unfortunately some of them were not humanly enough, some used their power and slaughtered regular men just for cock show. Of all the rulers in Russia, the actual russian nationality kings/czars/queens were the best ones, Elizabeth and Peter. Of all the presidents, the russian nationality presidents were also the best/fair rulers, Breszhnev and Putin. It seems thou that Russians (like me) do not trust much to their own rulers (except Putin...he is the KGB...so he can be trusted) so Russians try to get rulers from overseas and other countries. I can only hope that the next Russian president will be a russian born president and not from anywhere else.
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Hapsburg: Georgia was once an independant country/kingdom, until it was 'conquered' (the King signed a treaty with Russia agreeing to its incorporation into the Russian Empire, but the vast majority were not happy with the proclaimation, which resulted in many anti-Russian rebellions). Merely because Georgia was part of the Russian Empire/Soviet Union at one stage, does not mean that Georgians are ethnically Russians. Greece was once part of the Ottoman Turkish Empire... would you regard the Greeks of today as Turks?
Hercules: How many Ukrainians died at the hands of the mainly Jewish Kremlin? People bitch about atrocities committed by the Russians, labelling the Russian people as a 'failure' (despite Stalin not being Russian). But they conveniently that the people who ordered these atrocities were JEWS. Pretty selective.. doncha think?
Georgians are not muslims. They became christians centuries before russians. 990 A.D.= Russians were stil not christians, they just asimilate theirs viking rulers (which are known as "rhos"). At the same time turcs were some thousands kilometres away, in central Asia. What kind of history do you learn in Russia ?
Who the fuck is talking ethnically? I'm talking nationally. Before 1821, I would consider the ethnic Greeks to be Ottomans, but not Turks, just as, before 1918 , I would consider ethnic Georgians to be Russian Imperial citizens and later Soviets, but not technically Russians. And whoever said that all Georgians were muslims need to get thier heads screwed on right. The majority of thier population are Eastern Orthodox, thier flag has four fucking crosses on it for fuck's sake. If they were almost entirely muslim, they'd put a fucking crescent on it. EDIT- and spurious is right, Jews are a nationality or an ethnicity, they're a religion. Saying that there's a "jewish ethnicity" is like saying there's a "catholic ethnicity". It's as illogical as saying 3 + 3 = cornbread.
I agree with this Jew nationality crap. Yes Russia has alot of Jews, they're still Russians though. If you're going to give the Jews a nationality it would be "Israeli"... but it didn't exist back then, so you're going to have to call them Russian if that's where they were born and that's what their passport said.
Is there any reason to do this? Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Phobias are well known for inducing irrationality.
The debate as to whether the Jews were a Nationality or not was one that took place in the Soviet Union -- and was resolved in favour of YES. So that is just what they did! A Jewish Autonomous Oblast was created in the far east. From the legal standpoint at least, the Jews became a Nationality. For further details see wikipedia
I know they are christian, you are right, I just hate them so much, they caused so much trouble for Russia, first Stalin then almost all the terrorists now. And even though they claim to be christian they got so many muslim mosques in every town, clearly they are not following their historical (christianity) religion.
