Officially we consider Heidegger the "Father of Existentialism". If you ask the "person in the street" whom they think of, if they hear the word, they will answer "Sartre" and perhaps "Camus".... But I have a (somewhat intangible) inkling, that we should give more credit to Friedrich Nietzsche. What was his role/influence in this field? Thanks.
Re: reply to anna ...or even God, before Zarathustra declared Him dead? (sorry dubious joke;-)) Thanks for your answer, paulsamuel, it started to feel a little lonely out there. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Shopenhauer, if I remember right was, of course, THE influence which made Nietzsche go into philosophy... The reason for my question is an essay I'm doing on Nietzsche and I do want to touch on what (specific) influence he had on Satre and Satre's existentialism.
Shopey was his influence, and I believe professor at one point. If you want to understand what influenced Neitzsche - look at where he lived. Look at his times in Turin!
*lol* @ "Shopey"...I wonder what that seeeeriously pessimistic man would have said to it...somehow I dont think, humour was his forte. As to my question, what I want to know is not what influenced Nietzsche, but what influence he had on Sartre and the other existentialists - and what is "existentialist" in Nietzsche's philosophy.
Neitzsche is my favourite schilosopher. My guruPlease Register or Log in to view the hidden image!Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Always a good thing to have a nazi as your idol..... haha. Seriously, while Neitzsche may not have believed in Nazi ideals (had he lived during the era), he greatly influenced the Nazi's. His opinions were largely negative and were well on their way to being insane until he, well, went insane. Neitzsche's belief in a higher, unemotional human is kind of disturbing. No matter how true it may be!!!! Although I must agree, I looooooove reading good ol' freddy. (I like turning philosophers names into nickname's, it helps people to remember that these guys were nothing more than normal humans.)
I won't comment on this So what?! (he didn't believe, he himslef was agains ant-semitism) . NAZI's influenced from Sthraus(sp) also, does tht make him aless brilliant composer? Have you actually read him??? He is the most pro-life and optimistic philosopher I have ever read. He and his ideas were ahead of his time. Would you like to live in a society which drives you mad ... Consier yourself being transfered to Middle Ages. How many years, months would you hold? Higher YES and I wish to evolve, anyone reasonable being should. Again- from where did you get that unemotional part??? I have read many, many pages of his works and have found nothing which eads to the good of lack of emotions. Show me a quote? Normal humans- yes, but are you a normal human, Ty Cheers and the best of Luck!
"So what?! (he didn't believe, he himslef was agains ant-semitism) . NAZI's influenced from Sthraus(sp) also, does tht make him aless brilliant composer?" Did I say it had any implications? Learn to read! 'Have you actually read him??? He is the most pro-life and optimistic philosopher I have ever read." Optimistic? He bashed humanity! He believed humans were far too emotional. He was being driven mad, and lost all respect neraly for the huamn race. Are you reading only early writings? "He and his ideas were ahead of his time. Would you like to live in a society which drives you mad ... Consier yourself being transfered to Middle Ages. How many years, months would you hold?" His ideas were the basis for much further thought, yes, granted. Like I said, he is my favourite philosopher to read! "Higher YES and I wish to evolve, anyone reasonable being should. Again- from where did you get that unemotional part??? I have read many, many pages of his works and have found nothing which eads to the good of lack of emotions. Show me a quote?" I will search for a quote! As for now I can just tell you this; it is what the Nazi's based their liking of Neitzsche on. He believed in a kind of super-human who would be a leader. A man who would be a strong man. A man who could take anything. "Normal humans- yes, but are you a normal human, Ty" Was Neitasche in his time??? Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
he bashed only those emotional feelings that make us weak.......he bashed all the values which are no real values. they only have some meaning in culture but not reality. he bashed humble humans- humility I think is bad. He tells the truth and therefore many don't like him, because they're afraid of it. tht doesn't say too much good about us, right?Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! tht's who we all like to be, don't we. Strong and Godlike. Cheers!Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
"he bashed only those emotional feelings that make us weak.......he bashed all the values which are no real values" He bashed emotional feelings he made us weak. As I view it, many of those emotions are also what makes beauty and art. So you choose; robotic and strong or beautiful and weaker. Don't get me wrong, I definetly agree with him on some of the emotional stuff. "tht's who we all like to be, don't we. Strong and Godlike." 'Godlike'? Nay, God himself!!!
I'm no Neitzsche's clonePlease Register or Log in to view the hidden image! ..... I have my own philosophyPlease Register or Log in to view the hidden image! But I have a lot of common with him. But I don't devide robotic and strong or beautiful and weaker Beauty can be strong. And androids can be weak. Look @ our universe. It's strong , powerful, but at the same time so beautiful? You can have a look at me alsoPlease Register or Log in to view the hidden image!Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Cheers!Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Greetings: Back to anna f's question, ************************************************** The reason for my question is an essay I'm doing on Nietzsche and I do want to touch on what (specific) influence he had on Satre and Satre's existentialism. ************************************************** I'm no expert, but personally I wouldn't call Nietzsche an existentialist, just like I wouldn't call him a nihilist, or a nazi for that matter. (btw, I'm not suggesting you are making any of these relations). As to Nietzsche's influence on Satre? Well I think they are worlds apart when it comes to philosophy. From my understanding, Satre basically states that exsisence is futile, pointless and meaningless, while on the other hand Nietzsche states it is the ultimate meaning, and the 'raison d etre' of his philosophy (the ubermensch/overman/superman) stands in stark contrast to Satre's 'nausea'. To simplify it greatly, I feel Satre = 'meaninglessness/unexplainable' and Nietzsche = 'purpose/directed will'. Although, one aspect of Nietzsche's philosophy that I do feel may have influenced Satre is the themes of alienation and isolation. They both seem to deal with this in their works, but they come to very different conclusions. ~noktvs
let me put this mildy, neitzche belonged in a mental warden. He was a drunken screwball that thought he did something brilliant. Kant is the true father of German contemporary philosophy.
Oh please do. None of us here could survive one of your intense thrashings, being that we all are slaves to any philosopher's words. ...and just what part of the warden does he belong in? He did eventually end up in what one may call a nut house, but he (to my knowledge) never was in a "mental warden." He was quite straight. Have you read a Nietzsche biography of any kind, or are you simply making an guess for our benefit? Ah, and there's the motive. Listen, asshole, buy a dictionary before you attempt to bash. Seriously, you're talking on a forum with some seriously intelligent discussion; most of these people have READ the authors. It is quite obvious you either haven't read Nietzsche, or haven't seriously considered his ideas. If you have, you may have had an intelligent critique, rather than second-hand character slams. Now go away before I universalize my maxim all over your ass.
Ifperhaps you could enlighten me your critiscm would be listened too. You ask me too back myself up when you do not. But alas, maybe you are some fanatic Nietzsche disciple that looks at everything, but doesn't truly understand it since you are all too human.
I've never read either Kant or Nietzche, that I recall. Anyone got a link where I can read some of their words? Might have read Kant in high school, not sure.
Nietzsche http://www.geocities.com/thenietzschechannel/ntexteng.htm http://www.geocities.com/holmland_2000/nquotes.html http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/f/a127486.html
