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i have to disagree i'm going to a 4 year college tuition 40,000 total and then med school 250,000 us dollars + when 100% tuition covered for 4 years the military sounds like a very nice option, that im am going to do instead of living in debt!! :m: !

 

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Financial Aid covers a lot, but it is a huge hassle to sign up and stay eligible (even the slightest shift in income can make you no longer eligible for Aid). But we also have other kinds of student loans, grants, scholarships. There are a lot of ways to pay for school in the United States. But I agree, it is way too expensive. As for free higher education, if that happened, than a college degree would be lowered to the level of a High School diploma. Everyone would have one, and you would need something else to be considered more valuable to an employer. Capitalism may have it's downsides, but it's the reason why college graduates make more money than high school graduates.

 

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If you're going to join the military to get a college education then you should go ROTC; not only do you come in as an officer - and consequently get paid much better than an enlistee - but they truly pay for your college(*see my later comment). Even if you don't qualify for a four year scholarship 3 year scholarships are stupidly easy to get.

Uhh, the G.I. Bill only pays for all your college provided it's under a certain amount. Also, as your pot leaf so perfectly exemplifies, the military reduces your freedom significantly; aside from the obvious things like being forced to move, their goal in boot camp is to make your personality into a form that they can get the best results from.

Note what Wikipedia has to say about it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GI_Bill

Also, the military treats their soldiers (both current and former) like shit:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKULTRA

 

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In the Netherlands and Finland you can't go to university unless you pass the test. In the netherlands that means completing successfully 'pre-university' school, which can only be done by the smartest top percentage. Not by the richest. In Finland you have to pass a special exam. So instead free education lowering the college degree, it actually raises the bar.

 

You might want to think about that a little more carefully. The average starting salary for a doctor is usually around $150,000, varying a little depending on what field you go into. This means that you are very likely to lose money if you spend 4 years in the military and get a free education in exchange.

Using your numbers, your total education will cost around $410,000. This would put the value of your time in the military at about $102,500/year. Of course they’ll also pay you a salary, so call it $125,000/year. In order to get that $125,000/year, you are giving up the $150,000/year that you would have been making if you hadn’t gone into the military and had simply taken out loans and become a doctor 4 years sooner. In other words, you are effectively paying around $25,000/year to be a soldier instead of a doctor for 4 years.

You would be much better off financially if you simply get loans and then pay them off with your enormous doctor’s salary. Here's a link to consider: http://www.studentdoc.com/july_surv.html

That’s just in the short term. In the long term you will probably end up losing hundreds of thousands of dollars, since doctors with decades of experience can earn much much more, up into the $250,000 range. Assuming you retire at the same age, those four years as a doctor that you lost to the army will translate into a much larger loss in salary, since it’s effectively cutting off your last, highest-paying years.

 

well first off, i do not believe that doctors make an average salary until completing their residency

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. I know my friend at Yale Med. always complained about his salary and other hassels like the rate on his Profession insurance that cost's MD's an Arm & Leg. Bottom line all the hard work put in to becoming a Doc, and all the trouble and probation being placed on the new docs by the General Doctor/ surgeon (what ever the field) for the first few years doesn't seem to be worth it! IMO of course, but the perks you get later down the line are pretty much unmatched besides politics.

 

That's why I kept most of my textbooks. I figured it was better to keep them for reference than to get three dollars for a
$100 book.

 

That seems a bit harsh. I know my school will give you a good percentage of your money back as long as it's in good condition. "Water damage" is hardly minor, especially when dealing with books.

 

True, but since you have to do residency either way it doesn't really matter.

 

No more uneducated people so no jobless after 25 years hence lot of taxes collected there off, a very powerful country.

 

Sadly, a large percentage of jobless people are well-educated.

 

I hope I am wrong, But I am sure that out of that large percentage of educated jobless people none are gona die hungry ?

 

Depends where they live.

 

Often well-educated people are jobless because they hold out for good jobs. Someone with a master's degree could easily get a job cooking burgers, but they would probably hold out for something better.

 

And what are we going to eat in the meanwhile? imaginary burgers?

 

Um, getting a college degree should depend on ability to learn, not daddy's pocketbook.

 

Everyone has the ability to learn, a college degree would be worthless because everyone would have one. I like the idea of a tough admittance test that spurious talked about, if it's going to be free make sure it is tough as hell to get in. Making a college degree so easy to attain would basically turn college into an extended high school program.

 

Marks are usually a good indicator of intelligence, but what about those who fall just below the line? That would be denying many smart people the shot at an education simply because they dislike memorization. And you want to do that to increase the value of education?

The goal be to educate as peole as much as possible, not keep them uneducated for the sake of a slave class which can be easily found in 3rd world countries. Remember, its a global economy. More education = better jobs country wide. Good karma.

 

Nonsense. I sucked big time in pre-university school. The worst grades ever. In university I ended up in the top 10%.

 

To varying degrees, yes. It's generally considered impossible for someone with Angelman's Sydrome to learn how to speak. Similarly, you or I couldn't learn as many languages as someone with savant ability in that area.

Huh? If everyone has food and air, does that make them worthless? Would you care to try going without either of those?