Ever meet a real live black person?

Discussion in 'World Events' started by angrybellsprout, Jan 17, 2006.

  1. Mosheh Thezion Registered Senior Member

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    shaka zulu..... is the best role model i know of.... and i have never met one.

    -MT
     
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  3. changa was far, is near Registered Senior Member

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    It sends up a flag that some here claim the white race is superior
    because of technology. Technology built by white men using Arabian
    (algorithms, algebra and even our numbers) and Chinese (gunpowder
    and levers) knowledge that was stolen violently and used in ever more
    violent manners. The Ancient Greeks deserve some credit also, but
    they were both homosexual and dark-skinned, so I would not count
    them among the great white hunters, would you?

    And although the Americas and Africa lacked the background
    and drive to compete with Europe and Asia technologically, it is
    immediately apparent that they were culturally superior. Filthy
    savages with their peace pipes and pow-wows, dirty cannibals
    practicing democracy and tolerance of diversity.

    Whites are not dominant due to innate superiority, but rather due
    to an exceptionally violent nature. No other race has ever
    taken the opportunity to kill so many, so violently, as the white.
     
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  5. angrybellsprout paultard since 2002 Registered Senior Member

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    lol try the turkic race...
     
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  7. Hapsburg Hellenistic polytheist Valued Senior Member

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    Simple: Geography. White people didn't invent the best nor all of the technology. Rather, one civilization made some techs, these passed along, via trade routes and wanderers, into other cultures, and soon technology spread. Do you think white people invented the arch? Fuck no. The Sumerians did, but this spread along and around the medditerranean world until the Romans picked it up and used it a lot. Do you think whites invented gunpowder? Fuck no. The chinese were the first to do that, but the technology spread around, through Inda and Afghanistan and Persia, all the way through the Islamic Caliphate to Europe, where it caught on. Technology wasn't automatically developed, it was a gradual road by communication between other civilizations.
    The majority of what you'd called "Africans", i.e dark-skinned bantu-speaking peoples, lived far to the south of where people were willing to venture, until the 1500s, and even then, the Portugese, English, and Spanish explored only the coastal region. Because of Africa's geography, the majority of the people in and around Subsaharan Africa and the Congo Basin were cut off from communication with the Sumerians, Babylonians, Greeks, Romans, Persians, Mongols, and Arabs. Thus, technology that those others had didn't spread to the Subsahara until the 1500s and 1600s.
    As James said, they're a victim of geography. Same reason American Indians didn't have advanced gunpowder and sailing technology. They were cut off from the majority of the world.
     
  8. Krieg Order Registered Senior Member

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    Jared Diamond is a leftist nutcase, and i have read his book " guns, germs and steel".

    It is basically a failed attempt to excuse failure, even though he conveniently ignores points that go against his arguement.

    Jared seems to forget that the African continent is one of the most mineral rich areas of the world, the ivory coast is one example.

    The egyptians and persians had no problem building empires on barren desert land, with some simple engineering, so i do not comprehend how he thinks Africa was at a "geographical disadvantage" because that is not the case.

    The chinese were isolated from the world for along time as well, they didnt seem to have a problem lacking "advances in sailing" and technology, as like leftists enioy making excuses.

    As i said before, it is more leftists attempting to make excuses.
     
  9. Hapsburg Hellenistic polytheist Valued Senior Member

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    Or, rather, is it you who cannot realize the truth, that black people are no different than you and I, and that you are afraid of that truth, instead opting to dismiss it so that you can keep some false sovereignty over others?
    As I said, the Egyptians and Persians built thier civilizations at the crossroads of many cultures, and thus had access to other technologies. Though China remained politically isolated, their merchants and traders and explorers traveled far, and with them came the secrets to papermaking, gunpowder, and silk.

    However, the majority of Subsaharan Africa lay in a region few dared to enter, and even fewer returned alive. Thusly, few technologies spread into the Congo Basin, Niger Basin, and South Africa, until the period of Colonial Expansion, and the exploration of Africa.
     
  10. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Minerals, other than salt, are not valuable in a hunter-gatherer society. The Egyptians benefitted from the invention of grain farming and domesticated animals that came from the middle east. The Nile valley in Egypt is a very fertile area, much more so than the rest of Africa. China was also a very fertile area, as was Mesopotamia, both had sub-classes of merchants and craftsmen.

    The native Africans did not develop the scale of technology that agrarian societies did, but they were clever enough to perfect the art of lost wax casting in iron, as well as the forging of steel for blades.

    With industrialization, we can now make use of such natural resources in Africa that benefit industry, but the material wealth available to ancient Africans cannot compare to Asia, Europe, the fertile crescent, and South America. If not for the ingenious inventions of the bow and arrow and spear, humans might never have been able to leave Africa in the first place.
     
  11. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Krieg Order:

    Anybody with a name like "Krieg Order" probably considers about 98% of people to be "leftist nutcases".

    You didn't read carefully enough. He specifically discusses that fact, which is more than offset by other facts about Africa, such as its high rate of tropical diseases. That's the "germs" part of the book, which maybe you missed.

    Egypt is not in the tropics, and Persia isn't in Africa at all.

    Did you really read the book? Doesn't sound like it.
     
  12. Hapsburg Hellenistic polytheist Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah, fat lotta good those tradeable resources are gonna do when there's NO ONE TO TRADE WITH UNTIL THE 1600s!

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    White people didn't get into Far East Asia until the Middle Ages. China had been a "land of plenty" for millennia prior to interaction with Italians, Spanish, Portugese, and British merchants and explorers.
     
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  13. Mr. G reality.sys Valued Senior Member

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    So, James R;

    The registered Democrat to whom I linked in my last post herein says you're wrong.

    Why, 24 hours later, continue to resort to approach-avoidance?

    (Edit, schmedit. Rules are for the ruled.)
     
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  14. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Questions of science aren't decided by whether you're a Democrat or Republican, silly!

    Huh?
     
  15. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    Written Arabic is a deviation of Aramaic script, a variety of ancient Nabataean / Syriac.

    Ibn al-Haytham the most famous of Arab mathematician started out supporting himself by teaching and by copying Arabic translations of Greek mathematical classics such as Euclid's Elements and Ptolemy's Almagest.

    Gee Ya think? :bugeye:

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    First of all Chinese didn’t “invent levers”.

    Second of all, no one knows who invented gunpowder. If it was from the “Chinese” then it would have come via the Mongols while they were invading Central Europe from 1240-1242.

    Regardless, incendiary mixtures were widely known well before the Chinese ever invented firecrackers. In ancient times saltpeter was used in magic, theater and alchemy. When tossed into a flame it made pale purple flames and billowing smoke which was a popular effect to squeeze coin from the simpletons who believed in God(s) and Magi.

    And as for using it for a weapon the Greeks made use of "Greek Fire" a closely guarded Byzantine secret in the Seventh Century – way before the Europeans made gunpowder.

    knowledge isn’t “stolen”. If it is then the Chinese stole acupuncture from the Europeans.

    Ötzi the oldest preserved mummy (3300BCE) had 57 tattoos, some of which were located on or near acupuncture points that coincide with the modern points that would be used to treat symptoms of diseases that Ötzi seems to have suffered from, such as digestive parasites and osteoarthrosis. Scientists believe that these tattoos indicate an early type of acupuncture.

    Mahmud of Ghazni

    Mahmud's campaigns seem to be motivated by both religious zeal and an interest in wealth and gold. Mahmud followed the injunction to convert non-Muslims, whom he had vowed to follow every year of his life. Hindu temples were depositories of vast quantities of wealth, in cash, golden idols, diamonds, and jewellery - and these made them targets for a non-Hindu searching for wealth in northern India. Mahmud's armies routinely stripped the temples of their wealth and then destroyed them; after Mahmud's raids on the cities of Varanasi, Ujjain, Maheshwar, Jwalamukhi, and Dwarka.

    According to Tarikh-i-Yamini of Utbi, Mahmud's secretary,
    Oh, but lets look over to the Asians:
    Djenghis Khan
    Before the Mongol invasion, a unified China had approximately 80 million inhabitants; after the complete conquest in 1279, the census in 1300 showed it to have roughly 60 million people.

    Gee, only killed off 25% of the Chinese TOTAL population. Yeah, what a sweet fella.

    One of the Mongol war-leaders talks philosophy:

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    We could go on and on here but the truth is all people have built upon what the ancient peoples had achieved before. Whether that’s Europeans or Arabs or Greeks or Chinese and all people have waged war to kill and loot as much as they could from anyone they could get it from.

    Whites are no more or less superior when compared with anyone else.

    The reason why Europe’s war technology built up was due to the geography in Europe. Europe has many natural boundaries that make it difficult to secure a chunk of land. Italy, France, Germany, England, Spain all tried to and at times conquered one another. But it was always too difficult to hold the conquered land and eventually during one winter that conquered land usually returned to the indigenous peoples, who would then adapt their war technology to be as up to date as possible. Therefore, only improving upon this war technology allowed for the next wave of conquest.

    This lead to a feed-back and over 2000 years the further increases in military superiority lead to Europeans being the most militarily advanced people – just while trying to conquer themselves.

    Eventually, to get around the Muslims stranglehold on the Spice and Silk trade routes they built ships and the rest is history.
     
  16. Mr. G reality.sys Valued Senior Member

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    Nor are questions of science decided by literature, silly.
     
  17. Giambattista sssssssssssssssssssssssss sssss Valued Senior Member

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    MMMMM!!! I had a good friend who could be called black. Though dark brown is the most accurate description. Mahogany. But...

    I just love Africans. REAL Africans. I may not agree with their cultural upbringings, but I just love how they talk! Their accents. Especially the Ethiopians.

    Now if only I could learn Amhari...
     
  18. Giambattista sssssssssssssssssssssssss sssss Valued Senior Member

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    Giovanni Battista Sammartini.

    Giambattista.

    Prossimo, per favore.
     
  19. Giambattista sssssssssssssssssssssssss sssss Valued Senior Member

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    Ciao, Leonardo!
     
  20. Hapsburg Hellenistic polytheist Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah they are, unless you want to tell me that Darwin never wrote The Origin of Species or that science textbooks do not exists.
     
  21. Ophiolite Valued Senior Member

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    In fairness Hapsburg, although this Mr. G appears to be a bit of a plonker, I think in context he was obviously using literature to refer to fictional works. This would also be its normal usage.
     
  22. Hapsburg Hellenistic polytheist Valued Senior Member

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    Even some fictional works at least correspond to and with scientific facts, like many of Michael Crichton's novels.
     
  23. Ophiolite Valued Senior Member

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    There are those who would not rate Crichton quite so highly. Even if we do, we can hardly claim that any questions of science were decided by his novels. Which is exactly the point MrG makes: literature does not decide matters of science.
     

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