Black Slave Owners

Discussion in 'History' started by poliwog, Jan 13, 2006.

  1. poliwog Registered Senior Member

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    Okay, so I was in History class today and my teacher said that in the 1700s there were 700 black slave owners in New Orleans. Have any of you heard of this, because I'm having a hard time believing him.
     
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  3. Harold Godwinson Registered Member

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    Yes I have. There were also Cherokee slave owners. 1.5 million Europeans were imported to Africa as slaves (though nobody ever talks about it because it is politically incorrect).
     
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  5. Quigly ......................... ..... Registered Senior Member

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    Appears to be true. Not sure about the years he mentioned though.

    http://americancivilwar.com/authors/black_slaveowners.htm

    It also says that during the time, if all slaveowners were white, it would only account for 1.4% of the white population who owned 1 or more slaves.
     
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  7. J.B Banned Banned

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    Blacks still practice slavery today in Africa.
     
  8. Harold Godwinson Registered Member

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    The British abolished slavery and the slave trade in Britain in 1806, and when they abolished in their colonies, Africans actually proteseted because they were making so much money selling their fellow Africans. I live in Rhode Island, where slavery has been abolished since 1652.
     
  9. J.B Banned Banned

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  10. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Slavery is bad, mmkay?
     
  11. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    Well, it's not bad for the owners, is it?

    Baron Max
     
  12. Oxygen One Hissy Kitty Registered Senior Member

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    It is if you consider what it takes to maintain a slave. You have to feed and clothe them or else you have to go buy more which gets even more costly because then you have to teach the new ones about the jobs they have to do. Try to buy one with experience and you're gonna pay a whole lot more.

    Or you could use the Andrew Jackson model. The slaves he was keeping he actually provided with regular houses on his properties (not the slave shacks of popular imagery). They worked a set number of hours a day, had personal down time, and raised their own crop for their own consumption. They fed themselves, clothed themselves, were loyal workers because he didn't allow beatings and wouldn't break up families. He insisted his personal physician also take care of his slaves (especially the newer inventory, the children) and generally got a maximum return on his slaves' labor with minimal effort (basic humanity) on his part.

    Somewhere in my library I have a short bit on a slave woman who bought her way into freedom in the old South and set herself up well enough to buy her own slaves. She was quite the Simon LeGree as I recall.
     
  13. leopold Valued Senior Member

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    there were people in the u.s. government that "owned" slaves
    specificly that jerk that said "all men are created equal"
     
  14. Oxygen One Hissy Kitty Registered Senior Member

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    Educate yourself, leopold. The issue of slavery was wrestled with intensely during the writing and subsequent editting of the Declaration. "That jerk" did indeed own slaves. "That jerk" wrestled with his own conscience over the obvious hypocrisy of supporting freedom on the one hand while owning slaves on the other. Did you know that slaves are property? Of course you do. That's a no-brainer. Did you know Jefferson was up to his ass in debt, most of it inherited right along with the slaves and other property? Maybe not. Did you know there were leins against all of his property that prevented him from freeing those slaves,as was his inclination according to his private journals?

    The signers of the Declaration who hailed from the more industrial states wanted to write slavery out of the picture. They truly believed that all men were created equal. However, slavery was too important at the time to the agricultural states. They threatened dissent and a collapse of the process of declaring independence if the industrialists pulled the slaves out from under the agriculturalists. Unanimity was needed to make the declaration work, so the slavery issue was taken out, much to the chagrin of Jefferson, Franklin, and others. The plan, according to "American Biography: The Signers of the Declaration of Independence" (c.1840, author and publisher unknown, but if someone could tell me I'd really appreciate it!) was to work out the issue of slavery after the war, provided independence was gained.

    After the war, the country was in serious chaos. We were financially bankrupt, France was licking her chops in anticipation of a total collapse, veterans were demanding pay that just wasn't there, citizens who had sacrificed their crop, livestock, and homes for the cause were standing empty-handed, the whole thing was threatening to fall apart at any given moment, and the issue of whether or not slavery in a free land was hypocritical was the last thing on anybody's minds. George Washington began a gradual liberation of his slaves rather than glut the job market with all these laborers needing jobs. (In fact, he never freed a slave until the soon-to-be-former slave was on his feet economically, something he helped them achieve.) Jefferson was still under legal obligation to keep his, while others did the same thing Washington did.

    It's amazing what can be learned by taking the time to hunt down documents closer to the source than our modern, skewed, revisionist history lets on. For example, the Jefferson-Hemmings case. Thomas Jefferson has her mentioned in his meticulously kept paperwork only as inventory. Her children are listed, and not one of them is named "Tom", as the myth avows. His nephew, also named Thomas Jefferson, mentions her quite extensively in his private journals, and it's apparent that he holds more than just a passing interest in her.
     
  15. android nothing human inside Registered Senior Member

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    I can't imagine owning a slave/s.

    But, there were black slave owners all over America, and the origin of the word "slave" is a "white" ethnic group - Slavs (Russians, Czechs, some Poles, etc - Eurasians)

    I could imagine enslaving all of Eastern Europe.
     
  16. android nothing human inside Registered Senior Member

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    Would you want to take care of some uneducated, dumb, resentful, and probably dysfunctional person? Slavery in the modern sense - chattel slavery - existed because it was cheaper, not better.
     
  17. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    Cheaper than what? And better than what?

    Sure, why not? Clean house, do the laundry, cook the meals, take care of the lawn and gardens, do the shopping, ..., massage my back and feet, suck my dick, ....any of a gazillion little annoying tasks. Especially if they were decent looking females and I could fuck 'em any time I wanted to. Hell, yes!

    Baron Max
     
  18. J.B Banned Banned

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    The Declaration of Independence, which contains the oft-repeated phrase "...all men are created equal..." was written by Thomas Jefferson, who owned about 200 slaves at the time and never set any of them free, including the mulattoes and quadroons. Jefferson's words certainly had no reference to Negroes, who at that time had no place in American society except as property.

    "All men are created equal" NOT men and blacks are created equal.
     
  19. Oxygen One Hissy Kitty Registered Senior Member

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    J.B. read my post. The delegates from Georgia and South Carolina were the ones primarily threatening to collapse the whole deal. Button Gwinnett, the delegate from Georgia, believed that slavery was wrong and agreed with John Adams that slavery was weakening the nation, but his state was too dependent on slavery at the time. Edward Ruteledge of South Carolina adamantly refused to sign unless the ban on slavery was removed. Virginia, Maryland, and Pennsylvania all pressed for the ban but South Carolina and Georgia would not be budged.

    I was going to admonish you guys to crack open a few more books, but I have to admit that I spend time in some pretty dusty libraries getting a look at things before the Victorians and Revisionists got hold of them. No doubt about it, these guys had their faults. (George Washington's love life was a comedy of modern proportions. I don't think he ever figured out how seriously Martha Custis set him up.) But they weren't hypocritical idiots either. Look around a bit more. There are "easter eggs" everywhere.
     
  20. angrybellsprout paultard since 2002 Registered Senior Member

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    omg slavery is racism omg omg omg

    Welcome to the fun world of yankee propaganda.

    They love to talk about slavery and forget to tell the truth about race relations in the south during the time of slavery.

    Slavery wasn't a matter of racism, but an economic system.

    If you had enough money, then you had slaves. Race wasn't a factor in owning slaves.
     
  21. angrybellsprout paultard since 2002 Registered Senior Member

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    Then again Jackson's little admirer Sam Houston was pretty much the same way. Last semester we had to read this book about the life of one of his slaves, you might enjoy it...

    http://www.alibris.com/search/searc...ew=10.45&pqty=34&pqtynew=6&matches=34&qsort=r
     
  22. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    How many white slaves were there?
     
  23. angrybellsprout paultard since 2002 Registered Senior Member

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    Origionally quite a lot, but the statement that I made was in referance to owning slaves, not being a slave.
     

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