What WARS has America ever won on its own ?

Discussion in 'History' started by Brian Foley, Jan 13, 2006.

  1. Brian Foley REFUSE - RESIST Valued Senior Member

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    Lets face it if it had not of been for massive French military aid and actually intervention to America in The US war of independence America would be like Australia and Canada today members of the British Commonwealth .
    The war of 1812 Americas attempt to invade Canada was an utter debacle as British forces incinerated Washington D.C .

    Vietnam was a defeat , American idled away 10 years unable to beat men in black pygamas .

    WW1 , WW2 , Korea were fought alongside several other allied combatant nations . Gulf War 1 & 2 was fought with a coalition of allies .

    In fact even the Spanish American War was possible only with the help of Cuban and Philipine rebels . Spain was a dilapidated country fully spent with an outdated military a suitable victim and America exploited this weakness .

    Panama and Grenada as well as other Caribbean adventures were so to say just that , advetures , that is unless you want to scrape the bottom of the barrel .
     
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  3. spuriousmonkey Banned Banned

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    The gulf wars weren't wars were they? The US didn't declare war did they?
     
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  5. Quigly ......................... ..... Registered Senior Member

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    Not every war is won on the battlefields.
     
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  7. Harold Godwinson Registered Member

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    At the beginning of 1775, the British army was consisted of about 36,000 men worldwide, but slowly this number rose due to wartime recruitment. Additionally, over the course of the war the British hired about 30,000 Prussian mercenaries, also known as "Hessians." Hessians made up about 1/3 of the British troops in North America. By 1779, the number of British and German troops stationed in North America was over 60,000, though they were spread from Canada to Florida
    The Hessian soldiers didn't really care who won and often deserted to America's side. In fact 5,000 Hessian troops


    Although as many as 250,000 Patriots may have served as regulars or militiamen in the eight years of the war, there were never more than 100,000 total men under arms for the Patriots in any given year. French help was a mere 31,000, sailors and 18,000 soldiers....75% of French deaths, which were minimal as they saw far less action, were sailor deaths.


    British:
    Who sided?
    Great Britain

    Hired Hessian Mercenaries(soldiers fighting for a foreign nation simply just for money), but neither Hesse or Prussia were British allies.

    50,000 Loyalists
    60,000 Britons and Hessians at their highest point (1/3 of them were Hessian)

    110,000 British Strength Grand-total
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    30,000 Hessians fought in the war in total.
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    American:
    Who Sided?
    France, Holland, and the kingdom of Sardinia (which included most of northern Italy)
    Spain sent troops through France, not directly to the US, but did not "Officially" recognise the new Republic.

    Polish officers and soldiers fought for the Patriots, but I do not think the Polish government officially supported the patriots...Sort of like the Hessians, but not on nearly so grand a scale.

    100,000 patriots
    49,000 Frogs
    Dutch?
    Spanish?
    Sardinian?
    Polish?

    Far beyond 149,000 was the Grand total (because does not include other nations), I'll tell you that much.

    250,000 Patriots fought in the war in total

    As you can see, more Americans fought for the British, than French fought for the Americans. Calling this a "French victory" would be like calling it an American loss (50,000 colonists fought for British, 49,000 Frenchmen fought for America)
     
  8. Harold Godwinson Registered Member

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    Just remember, does it feel like we are at war now? We can go into a nation and defeat it in a few days/weeks, we are powerful. Most troops in the Gulf War and this war are American.

    Victories;

    King philip's War

    Also we won other countless victories against the American Indians

    The First Barbary War(Against Tripoli, a state that no European nation would take on and were paying the Bribes that the Barbars demanded. The Americans refused and defeated them on the shores of Tripoli)

    After the War of 1812 came the Second Barbary War (1815), the Seminole Wars, the Black Hawk War, which America won.

    The Texas Revolution, even though Texas was technically a different nation until the US annexxed it, it was made up of Americans.

    Mexican-American War

    First Cortina War (1859) and Second Cortina War (1861), in which the paramilitary Mexican forces led by the local leader Juan Nepomuceno Cortina confronted the U.S. Military, the Texas Rangers and the local militia of Brownsville, Texas, and Matamoros, Mexico, in the Rio Grande Valley area.

    Thoush you say America only won the Spanish-American War because of help, we then went and won the Philippine American War and obtained our biggest colony.

    The Banana Wars we won.

    We won several interventions over the years following the Second World War, which would not have been won without us, but they don't really qualify as wars.

    We invaded Iraq, which took from March 20, 2003–May 1, 2003 to conquer the nation. 98% of the troops were British and American. 250,000 were United States troops, with support from 45,000 British, and 2,000 Australian. The next biggest is Poland with a mere 200.
     
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  9. spuriousmonkey Banned Banned

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    Did it feel you were at war when you saw the WTC towers crashing down?
     
  10. Harold Godwinson Registered Member

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    Nope. Plus we weren't at war. It was a terrorist attack.
     
  11. DeeCee Valued Senior Member

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    We can go into a nation and defeat it in a few days/weeks

    Shame that you loose more troops after the war than during it. Perhaps if you weren't so good and stretched the war out a bit you might take fewer casualties overall.
    or perhaps winning isn't everything.

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    The Mexican American War

    There ya go!
    DeeCee returns pride to America!
     
  12. DeeCee Valued Senior Member

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    Oops Harold got there first.
    But I had a link!

    Dee Cee
     
  13. Quigly ......................... ..... Registered Senior Member

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    In comparison to other wars, we have barely scratched the surface in casualties, not to diminish those who fought bravely and died prematurely.
     
  14. Harold Godwinson Registered Member

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    However, the nation has been conquered, though we have lost more troops since, it is not by the Iraqi army.
     
  15. Harold Godwinson Registered Member

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    in case you didn't know, my name really isn't harold Godwinson. He was the guy that fought William at hastings. My avatar is a picture of him...
     
  16. QuarkMoon I Registered Senior Member

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    LOL, defeating a crippled and highly sanctioned country is nothing to brag about. Iraq was about to collapse on it's own, the U.S. just sped up that process.

    However, why is it that the U.S. must win a war on it's own? What exactly does that prove? You try to dimish the United State's contribution to WWII, please tell me, how successful were the allied forces before the U.S. was violently thrust into that war by the Japanese?
     
  17. Harold Godwinson Registered Member

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  18. QuarkMoon I Registered Senior Member

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    It's 7 megs and I'm using 56K dial-up, so you'll have to give me a good reason to watch it.
     
  19. Harold Godwinson Registered Member

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    Well it is really good, but I haven't used something that slow for a while so I wouldn't know how long it would take. It took me less than a minute.
     
  20. QuarkMoon I Registered Senior Member

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    7 megs will take 30 minutes to an hour, depending on the speed of their server. Is it supposed to refute my statement that defeating Iraq is nothing to brag about?
     
  21. mountainhare Banned Banned

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    Quark:
    Which is ironic, since Americans tend to do the opposite. They diminish the contribution of every other ally to WW2.

    They were highly successful, especially when Russia attacked from the East, drawing away troops from the West.

    You mean that the Japanese imposed an oil embargo on America, whose economy relied on oil taken from Japanese oil wells? Could have fooled me...
     
  22. spuriousmonkey Banned Banned

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    Indeed, one could easily postulate that without the soviet union Germany could have easily kept the allied forces at bay.

    But we can merely speculate on the matter. We will never know.

    What if germany had the oil and the crack troops from the east front (that never had engaged the USSR in this scenario) to battle in the west?

    Remember the battle of the bulge? Now multiply that ferocity that was unleashed by several factors fueled by oil wells in the balkan area and oil purchased from a still friendly USSR.

    That would have been quite a fight you would have to deal with.
     
  23. QuarkMoon I Registered Senior Member

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    And the Lend-Lease Act which sent $11 billion USD in aid to the Soviet Union had absolutely no postive affect on the Soviet Union armed forces, right? Keep in mind this is $11 billion USD in the 1940's, which thanks to inflation was worth a lot more than it would today. Without the Lend-Lease Act, how successful would the Soviet Union have been?

    Um, no, I mean that one attack in Hawaii, I think it goes by the name of Pearl Harbor which decimated the U.S. naval fleet.

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