It doesn't seem right to say that once a criminal always a criminal, but then dismiss it when we aren't talking about illegal things. You say, Once a Killer, always a killer or once a child molester always a child molester, but then you would say that it doesn't apply to mundane things like: Once a coffee drinker, always a coffee drinker or once a sciforums rule break always a sciforums rule breaker. I think you credit your own opinion with too much credit or validity. Humans can change. Homosexuals can change. Prostitutes can change. Murders Can change. ...ect... If they couldn't then there wouldn't be many many success stories available to read about in regards to human nature. If you mean in a sense of branding someone...Once you have committed the act, for the rest of your days you would be considered that person, even if the proof that the former person is gone. such as , Once an alchoholic, always an alchoholic because the potential lies in the person to become that again, even though they've been clean for 5 years. It is called branding someone, but don't all humans have the potential to become the worst of the worst giving the right circumstances and pressures? I have lied before, so am I forever a liar? I have driven over the speed limit today, so am I forever a criminal?
http://neuro.psychiatryonline.org/c...stract/13/4/486 "Temporal Lobe Deficits in Murderers" Small sample group, the actual article talks about the problems of the study unlike your abstract. I doubt you bothered to read the full text. I did. I hope I have educated you. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4293520.stm that is about pathological liers, not criminals.
In the UK the home secretary has the final say on release of murderers, if he chooses, the kray twins a movie was made of them, they were never released, the moors murderers were never released, all because the home secretary refused to release them. sentences mean nothing, the reality is the home secretary decides on release on evil murderers, that are notorious to the public, obviously he has no desire to release a famous murderer, because if he did, and he murdered again it would bring down the government, notorious killers stay in jail, and so would the popes shooter, if he had been jailed in the uk.
I doubt you get 20 years if you kill someone in holland. It seems the maximum penalty. The obvious exception if the murderer of Theo van Gogh. He didn't show remorse, quite the contrary and the Judge stated there was no chance for rehabilitation or socialisation as he called it, and Dutch society should be protected from him. That is because he claims he will continue doing what he already did. Because it is gods will or some of that kind of shit. But why putting a normal person behind bars for life or 20 years? Most murders are one time affairs. Most murders occur at home. You can't kill the same wife/husband twice.
http://www.newideas.net/adhd_add.htm People with decreased activity in the left temporal lobes can especially have problems with temper outbursts, aggressive behaviors, and even violence toward animals or other people. Temporal Lobe ADHD is characterized by: * Inattention, just like in other kinds of ADHD because during concentration there is a decrease in activity in the pre-frontal cortex; * Being easily irritated or frustrated; * Aggressive behaviors; * Dark moods, big mood swings; * Impulsivity; * Breaking rules, in trouble a lot, in fights a lot; * Defiant toward authority, disobedient toward parents and others; * Can't get along with others, can be anti-social or just in trouble a lot; * Often has terrible handwriting and problems learning; * You expect him to be arrested at any time... ** http://www.mentalhealthandillness.com/may1999.htm Impulsive, explosive anger is frequently associated with frontal lobe dysfunction. One teen-ager with frontal lobe dysfunction I evaluated for rape and murder had such poor impulse control that he expressed his annoyance with the judge by attempting to attack and strangle him during his trial. Many head injuries cause injury to the tips of the frontal and temporal lobes. This combination of frontal and temporal lobe injury, in some cases, contributes to an impairment of both impulse control and bonding capacity, which increases aggressive potential. *** http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3735897.stm Head injuries 'affect character' Head injuries 'can affect personality' Even a mild head injury can have long-term effects on children, researchers have warned. University of Warwick experts asked parents what differences they had seen in their children after an injury. The Journal of Neurology, Neurosurgery, and Psychiatry study, found they emotional, behavioural and learning problems and personality changes. The researchers said many children received no follow-up after hospital treatment for head injuries. It is no surprise to me that the children identified in this study have received little or no follow up after head injury (CBIT) Lisa Turan, Child Brain Injury Trust They studied over 500 children aged 5 to15 years old who suffered head injuries over a six-year period. Parents were asked to register how their child had changed after the head injury, and what follow-up they had received from clinicians. They found that, even after a mild head injury, parents said one in five children had a change in personality, often describing the difference as "like having a different child". Forty-three per cent of children with mild head injury had behavioural or learning problems that led to them being described as having a "moderate disability". Among children with more serious head injuries, about two thirds had moderate disability, and about half experienced a major change in personality after the head injury. ******* A simple bang on the head, can fuck up your life for good, as for liars, criminal & habitual liars are the same people dont you know that, any policeman will tell you that.
The man is a out & out nut, he pumped 7 bullets in the pope, he has killed another man, done 2 bank jobs, there is no rainbow cure for him, his mind is fucked up big time, he needs locked up for good, because without a doubt this man will kill again, i just hope he stays in turkey to do his killings, 7 not europe.
You will not get much arguement that the man was and maybe still is scum. How can you be so certain that he "will kill again"? All societies have in place systems to assess whether or not a convicted criminal may pose a threat to society. Do they misjudge sometimes. yes. But in many cases (hopefully most cases), criminals after serving their sentence, become productive members of society (just as you, vincent, are trying to become a productive member of the Sciforums society Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! )
Anybody who has tried to kill another humanbeing, that does not involve some crime of passion, or revenge, is sick in the head & for that there is no cure, crime of passion, or revenge, i can understand the emotions involved,they are usually one off murders, but murder for fun, as in the case of this turkish delight man, there is no cure, or no eastern promise. The 3 strikes & your a lifer in America is a good policy, they no offenders will keep on with there criminal acts, its in there nature to do so, crimanals often have hundreds if not thousands, of offences behind them, they get a buzz from it, a high & a rush its like taking drugs for them, to steal or to kill for some is the ultimate high, the turkish man will not stop killing, or harming people, he get his rocks off on it, he is also a attention seeking bastard like the chapman guy who killed john lennon, i liked the guys music but his so called peace rantings, are a bit far fetched, when he beated his wives up, in his spare time.
You re so full of shit Vincent. Muslems did not throw flowers on his car so get your facts right and then try to convince people with your lies. Like David Letterman told O'Rielly.. 60% of what you say is garbage. One of the main reasons why he got released is because the last Pope forgave him.
Actually the guy did his time and he should be let out. That's the law. What I found interesting was the people tossing flowers towards him, as if he was their hero ... :bugeye: Kind of reminds me of some of the protestant Christians I knew in America β many Baptists (Christian-Taliban) alternate between thinking The President and the Pope are the Anti-Christ. We live in a scary world.
Vincent: Once again, you seem confused about this story. You say: But the story actually says: It is not mentioned whether these "nationalist supporters" were Muslim. That is something you have just assumed. And, you assume that ALL Turkish Muslims think the same way as this small group. It's amazing how some people's minds work...
Well james nationalists, are the militants in turkey, the religous nutters they want to take turkey back into the dark ages, like the muslim brotherhood in egypt, only extremists would throw flowers at a car, of a man who is a killer, bank robber, and tried to kill the pope, christians, catholic turks would not throw flowers at the popes shooter, would they niether would buddhists, so that only leaves one other religom muslims, as the nationalists are all muslim my statement is correct. The fact that other muslims stand around & let these loonies throw flowers, at a killer without demonstrating, or stopping it leads me to think they all think alike, if he was released in italy do you think italians would stand around with there hands in there pockets, while muslims threw flowers at his car, so once again my statement is accurate. James if you are in melbourne oz, & a child molestor & child killer is released from jail, and to your amazement people outside the jail, people throw flowers, at this mans cars, james i think you wont stand around ignoring this situation would you, i certainly would not, this same principlal applies to the turkish man, his supporters are muslims, he is muslim he is despised by christians & catholics. I never intended to post any threads on muslims this year, new year give people the benefit of the doubt, but to read that muslims are throwing flowers at a man who tried to kill the pope, makes me so angry with these people, and if i live to be 2000 years old, i will never understand a religon or people, who throw flowers at a murderer, and a man who tried to kill the most respected pope ever, a man of peace, gods hand kept the pope alive that day.
You also have to take into account that the victim's family feels justice has been served. If someone killed a family member of mine and that person only recieved 20 years, I would be outraged, as I'm sure most people would. As for this Turkish man, the Pope forgave him so the Italians pardoned him, therefore that crime should have no weight in his sentencing.
I've said it before, but I'll say it again. The only just sentence for murder is death. You have no right to live when your victim is rotting in his grave. Hopefully, the Italians shoved a GPS tracker up this guys ass when they had him and we can use him to track down other Islamist nutjobs.
Big surprise, the guy's already missing! Was he killed or is he off plotting an attack on the new pope? Hope the GPS is on line.
