The Holocaust numbers for jews murdered have lowered just about everytime, to about half a million. This is something that the Simon Wiesanthal Center and the Holocaust Museum have admitted. Out of the 62 million dead and 100's of millions wounded, only "6 million" of them were jews, it is important to remember the millions of Russians and Germans that died in this war, as well as people of virtually every background. We should be able to discuss the Holocaust in an intellectually honest MANNER. But most people are too busy leading their meaningless lives, concerned about the next football game or watching desperate housewives. This lets the "chosen ones" in power rule over them like superior drones.
That's exactly my beef with the whole Holocaust deal. I feel sorry for those Jews that did die, but damn, don't turn it into a Jew-only event. TONS more people were put to death than the Jews yet the only thing we hear about is Jews, Jews, Jews. That bit of manipulation got them their state in the Middle East and continues to get them loads of benefits to this day. What about everyone else? Zip, zilch, nada! - N
the question you might want to ask is "who was doing the counting". Soviet forces, who liberated many of the death- and concentration camps, as well as the U.S. forces who were running the show after Hitler fell. some Eastern European governments probably did some counting too, for the camps on their territories. you think Jews, who had their rights reduced to practically zero, or maybe negative, all of a sudden have all these rights immediately? so they can make up any number, and then shove it down everybody's throats? don't forget that even in a progressive country like Canada Jew-hatred has only been eradicated (or i should say, reduced to a good level) decades after WW2. Ahmadinazi calling holocaust a myth is... if it wasn't so funny it would probably be sad. man, i've seen Iranian TV shows accusing Barbara Streisand of being an agent of the Elders of Zion, infiltrating Hollywood and converting U.S. movie-goers into Zionist zombies! this shit is bizarre! just go to MEMRI, go to the videos section, and check out the translated stuff from Iran. they had this retarded show on state-TV once, telling the tale of a Zionist white ship sailing the seas, kidnapping children to steal their organs for IDF soldiers. the cheapest form of propaganda. Ahmedinazi is just hardcore enough to say this shit out loud and in public for the world community to hear. as i've said before, he is a colossal embarassment even to the ultra-conservative types in Iran you could say he is digging his own grave (maybe it's part of a Zionist plot?) with these comments, further isolating Iran with such bullshit. what a hick...
Neildo: i hear this often from people. they think "6M < 60M, so why so much fuss over the 6M?" the difference between the 20+ million Soviet deaths, and the 6 million Jewish deaths, is that the Soviet deaths are fatalities of combat and probably malnutrition from blocades, etc., while the Jewish deaths are from extermination. don't you think there is a difference?
'Ahmadinejad suggested that "they have invented a myth that Jews were massacred and place this about God, religions and the prophets. The west has given more significance to the myth of the genocide of the Jews, even more significant than God, religion and the prophets," All this shit is for domestic consumption, guys a showman. As for the holocaust. In twenty years of hanging round old folk (in a professional capacity of course) I must have come across dozens of them with numbers tattooed on their arms. Not all jews either. In a city a thousand miles and 60 years distant from the event this seems like rather a lot. Thats all I got. Dee Cee
Jews don't think they are special because so many died in the holocaust. We (Jews) have all become students of history due to this terrible event, and we know that 12 million were murdered in the holocaust and 50 million died in the war. We helped create the Holocaust museum in order to do what is possible to prevent such things from happening again. So far, it has failed to do so, but hopefully it may educate. The president of Iran is not expressing scholarly uncertainty, but propaganda. He's almost as bad as the fools that run our country (the US).
Nobody mentioned 20+ million Soviet deaths, we're strictly talking civilians. Homosexuals, cripples, gypsies, and other groups were exterminated as well along with the Jews. Yes, exterminated. Jews weren't exclusive to that tragic event. - N
The Ottomans, who lost a war with Britain, and lost land as well. Do we really have to go through the history of the world again, and again, and again?
True, but the Soviet government are equally as accountable as the German government for he death of the some 20+ million russian dead, because of the aforementioned malnutrition, inaccurate gun- and artillery-fire, and combat. However, the Nazis are solely responsible for the holocaust victim's deaths, because it was the Nazis who purposely went out to annihilate those people. People caught in the crossfire, that's the risk of combat in and around cities. People slaughtered wholesale in a genocide, and that's a crime against humanity.
the fact still remains,the nazis killed ANYONE who they disagreed with. shot in the face or gassed,your still dead. the ''halocaust''is thinly veiled propaganda so epople will feel the jews are persecuted. the fact that the only middle east nation thats allowed to have nukes is israel negates the entire ''persecution''premise. the jews do actualy control the world banks and diamonds . JEWelry anyone? the halucaust was a myth,the jews were not persecuted above all other races,they were killed side by side with every other color,race,and nationality of people the nazis wanted dead. it was a world war that resulted in MILLIONS dead,it wasnt some jew hunt as the ''halocaust'' propagandos would have us belive. disagree with the nazis and they killed you,plain and simple,they didnt care if you were gay,jewish,american,black,christian,or any combination . the killed you if you werent a nazi.
OK, what about the millions of Soviet Citizens that Stalin wiped out because he was a psychopathic bastard who didn't trust anyone? Same thing with Mao tse Tung, or Pol Pot, or those pricks in Rwanda, or that effing lunatic still running Zimbabwe, or Idi Amin in Uganda, (who was never punished for his crimes) Seems to me that all we hear about are the Jews and how they got kicked around, as if it was the only genocide of the 20th Century Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
"the halucaust was a myth,the jews were not persecuted above all other races,they were killed side by side with every other color,race,and nationality of people the nazis wanted dead." Then why were half the victims of the holocaust Jewish? The other races and classes of people made up the rest. Not to belittle any death, but Jews were overwhelmingly the victims. You may give this information whatever weight you like as it relates to current events, but it is the truth.
your focusing on HOW people were killed. the fact is ''killed by nazis''is killed by nazis. the how is irrelavent. and the nazis killed many more non jews then jews,if anything,the jews were a minority of the deaths in ww2.
However, the Nazis commited the most gruesome forms of death upon thier Jewish captives. Being killed by a bullet in the head is far different from the inhuman treatment and experiments the SS commited on Jewish prisoners. Also, since fully half of the number of victims were Jews, the jewish people formed the largest victim percentage out of the 12 millions killed. The non-jewish people killed consisted of other various ethnic and ideological backgrounds (slavs, balts, russians, homosexuals, communists, etc.) Simpling lumping them all into Jewish and non-Jewish is historically and logically innacurate and offensive.
Etymologies: Jew: Old French giu, earlier juiu (mod. juif) from Latin Judaeus from Greek Ioudaios from Aramaic yShG-Qy, Hebrew yShG-W, from yShG-Qh Judah, a son of the Hebrew patriarch Jacob, the tribe descended from Judah. Jewel: Anglo-Norman juel, jeuel, Old French joel (nom. sing. joyaus, mod. joyau), ult. based on Latin jocus jest. Source: Shorter Oxford English Dictionary.
Good gravy, sure Mao killed more people, but nobody tries to insist that he didn't! If people don't want to hear about the Holocaust, they shouldn't try to pretend it didn't happen because that's just begging for an earful Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Coincidentally, the January 2006 National Geographic has an article on genocides complete with timeline and circles of different sizes to represent different numbers of deaths. Very educational.
This also is a wrong opinion. Hitler was trying to kill all Jewish people, everywhere. Jewish deaths weren't randomly accrued through combat. He was exterminating them. All of them. He may well have planned to do the same to the Russians, too, but he didn't get that far. That's the difference. Hope the weather is sunny in Syria, mars. Geoff
