Fall into the Sun ?

interesting

http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/051214_after_hayabusa.html

>> Whatever its destiny, Hayabusa, has generated priceless data for future treks to similar objects—by robots and humans. The intrepid robot is a heads up, not only for how best to utilize asteroid resources, but also to spoil a space rock’s aim if found to be on a direct-hit heading for Earth.

Multi-tasked robot

Now some 180 million miles (290 million kilometers) distant from Earth, Hayabusa is over 340 miles (550 kilometers) away from Itokowa, chugging through space at a modest three miles (5 kilometers) per hour. A turning on of the craft’s propulsive ion engine this week is planned. >>

Is that slow enough to "fall into the sun" ?

 

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and nero, and zeno

 

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Do not encourage him to change to new name - I have learned to save time by never reading posts by URI.

 

URI I've been reading a few posts about your repellant gravity thing, and I'm not going to pretend I understand much (any) of this, but if gravity pushes away then how do we stay on the earth?

 

Thanks for your enquiry

>> if gravity pushes away

try considering a force pushing towards the centre of spin.... so what you experience is "attractive" gravity... but we all know this is not an accepted mechanism for gravity...even Newton knew that...... and what is really going on is the more physic accepted method of imparting a force, and that is push.

It implies that a [magnetic/static electric] pressure exists in the Solar System.

If you would like to understand gravity, I suggest you post your questions at
http://omegafour.com

It appears that tolerance to reasoned investigation is stifled on all 'net' science forums.

 

URI: I don't really understand that. Could you try to put in layman's terms why I don't go flying off into space? Perhaps if you just worded it differently I might understand.

Ok, I just reread your post. So the force imparted by gravity is a push. Right. What is 'magnetic/static electric pressure'? That is probably the missing link in my understanding!

That link doesn't work for me, I get a "The page cannot be displayed" error.

 

>> What is 'magnetic/static electric pressure'

As simple as I can put it without math.

well, I see around all matter there is a crossed [ magnetic field and static electric field ] or BXE
the neutron and the electron sets this crossed spherical field around each atom... which can be extended to a cosmic body by super-positional theory... so we have an axial magnetic field and a tangential electric field around, say Earth........ this crossed field has a drift... seen as the Schumann resonance around Earth.

The BXE field is spun, ....differentially driven by the spin (anisotropy) of the Sun's field... which is spun from..... etc. Much like spinning bubbles spining the next bubble touching it.......differential spin.

Energy emitting bodies actively enhance the spin of the field, a toroidal field spin, while cold matter, eg Earth, has it's field spun,,,, poloidal field spin

The drift of this crossed field (Poynting vector) induces a reaction towards the centre of spin, this is a push... we call it gravity, a pressure towards the centre of spin that acts on all matter composed of neutrons and electons.

>> That link doesn't work for me,

yes, I forgot, it seems to be down today...damn
maybe tomorrow..

 

Attractive Gravity?

Yeah, and all the lightbulbs in my house don't actually emit light, they suck dark.

 

The Schumann Resonance is due to nothing but the fact that the gap between the Earth's surface and the ionosphere forms a resonance cavity for electromagnetic waves, the length of said cavity is equal to the circumference of the Earth. Since it takes electromagnetic waves 0.1277 sec to circumnavigate the Earth, the base resonate frequency is 7.83 hz. Lightning strikes produce electromagnetic wave in a wide spectrum of frequencies and those frequencies that are multiples of the base frequencies resonate within this cavity. It has nothing to to do with any "drift" of crossed "axial" fields.

I don't know why so many people want to attach some pseudo-scientific or paranormal meaning to such a simple and well understood phenomena.

 

Back around 1920, my father had a car-battery, motor-driven, rotary-spark-gap transmitter (Certainly also a broad RF source and possibly an illegal one, even back then.) The RFspectrum was much less filled back then also. He claimed (dead now for years) to have heard his own "round the world" echo more than once. I have always doubted this, mainly as I doubt that he could "unshort" his receiver input quickly enough and think that even if receiver was well shilded and well shorted, that some of the local RF would have made it too insensitive (not recovered yet).

Any chance all 360 degree paths do refocus at the source well enough to make his claim likely? I do not think so, as the polar route must be very different from others. However, you seem to be ignoring the path dependancy I think must be there by giving four significant figures on the transit time? Perhaps it is true as even with a lot of dispersion, the signal sum of many different transit times would be the same as with out dispersion. If round the world echos are possible, what physics can we do with them? Measure global temperature or something interesting?

Comments?

 

>> the base resonate frequency is 7.83 hz.

drift velocity at the Earth's surface 7.91 km / sec.

 

this figure is the earth magetic feild resonence frequency. also used in the navy's communications (submarines). there was also research into a phased array ionosphere heater (haarp). i don't know if this helps but there it is.

 

>> this figure is the earth magetic feild resonence frequency

yes it is, but it is the drift to the field, and is the result of the Sun's field driving the Earth's field.

 

>> If round the world echos are possible

Tesla had claims along these lines.

>> earth magnetic field resonance frequency

You should note that this value is tied into gravity

Schumann resonance is directly related to the acceleration due to gravity.

ie (Schumann resonance (as km/sec) )^2 / radius of the Earth = g

(7.91)^2 / 6378 = 9.80751 m / sec^2

This is not an accident.

BTW my site is up again
http://omegafour.com
Detailed discussions with mathematical proof is available.

 

OIC, I post real math and y'all run a mile....

OK

 

I am not completely sure as parts of this project were (are?) classified. A small test installation was made, in Minnesota as I recall. A very large antenna field was buried in the ground. - Final system would have spanned several mid-western states.

I think the project was dropped, in part because of the ending of the cold war, but more because of the fact that the time required to send anything except a simple pre arranged numerically coded message number is measured in hours at this low frequency. By "pre arranged numerical codes" I mean like in the old days of telegrams, when 73 = "best wishes" etc. (73 is still used by radio amateurs when they end a contact. I forget the code for "love and kisses" but that is still in use also.)

Because the maximum information transfer rate is proportional to frequency and the depth that the signal penetrates into sea water is inversely proportional to frequency, the studies showed that a frequency of about 55 hertz was the best compromise, as I recall, but it is too close to the national power grid frequency, 60hz, so again as I recall, they were thinking more like 35hz and have the sub come close to the surface on pre arranged "random" schedules.

There were (are?) 25 hertz power girds also - one, at least years ago, near Niagara Falls. (I could notice slight light flicker in my peripheral vision, but most people could not - very strange as it is at 50Hz! - a peak on each half cycle.) So 60 >> 35 >> 25 may have been part of the Navy's thinking.

 

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