The real reason America entered Viet Nam was to stop the communist expansion but America new that if South Vietnam was to fall to Po Dung North Viet Nam that the world would not suddenly turn red so to speak, but a statement had to be made for future incedences. We had to show the world we were willing to sacrafice as much as anyone and die for our ideals also. And giving credit to the brave soldiers who fought in that war and yes I said war I think we did.
Sorry but i have to argue WHY was communist that bad that the US (and others) felt it was a reason to invade another nation. Come on WHERE WILL IT END. Dose every nation have to be little US's or they get invaded. I PERSONALY would never stand for the US invading Australia because we refused to eat McDonalds or something (i WOULD join the Army at that point)
The "Islamic Domino Theory" By Clark Staten, ERRI Analyst Chicago, IL, February 17, 1996 -- In the early to mid 1960's, American political scientists and military strategists began to develop a theory in regard to Southeast Asia. This theorem involved Chinese and Russian envelopment of the region, by advancing from one country to the next and introducing a Marxist/Leninist form of government to poor and otherwise politically unsophisticated people. The culmination of this ideological conflict took place in Viet Nam, where the North Vietnamese, with the support of both the U.S.S.R. and China, fought, first the French and then the United States, to a complete stand-still. Shortly thereafter, Laos, Cambodia, Thailand, and a number of other countries were swallowed up in a sphere of Communist influence. The theory was termed "the Domino theory" by U.S. State Department officials, as countries fell like a row of dominos, pushed by a communist insurgency. I'm not sure of your age but in the eary 60's that made the paper weekly and how we had to stop Viet Nam. ------------------------------------------------------------ We had to show the world we were willing to sacrafice as much as anyone and die for our ideals also. And giving credit to the brave soldiers who fought in that war and yes I said war I think we did. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- We didn't show the world anything but cost the life of 50,000 men from our country and many more from other countries. We didn't lose the war as we pulled out in essence making the human scarifice you are so proud of worthless. I am not attacking Viet Nam Vets but I am attacking the Politics of the United States for sending those men to kill and be killed for a war they didn't have the guts to fight right when they did fight and later just gave up.
Justagirl im only 19 (i was born in 82) so it was WAY before my time but i still say WHO THE HELL ARE WE TO TELL ANOTHER COUNTRY WHO (and what) THEY CAN AND CAN'T HAVE AS A GOVERMENT
quote im only 19 (i was born in 82) so it was WAY before my time but i still say WHO THE HELL ARE WE TO TELL ANOTHER COUNTRY WHO (and what) THEY CAN AND CAN'T HAVE AS A GOVERMENT ------------------------------ Hun I'm on your side on this one..here is my first post on Viet Nam Originally posted by justagirl The Viet Nam war proves how wrong that thinking is. We entered the War to stop Communism. We had a domino theory that said "if we didn't stop North Viet Nam the communist would take over the world". We sent many men over their and 50,000 some odd thousand lost their life in that war on our side. We later said " Ok, we are now leaving ". North Viet Nam took over South Viet Nam and communist DID not take over the world.
Let's not get carried too far away from the facts here, Asguard. The United States did not "invade" South Viet Nam. As justagirl pointed out, the U.S. government presented the "domino theory," which held that the loss of South Vietnam would lead inevitably to the loss of neighboring countries, as the main reason for our entry into the war. American leaders described South Vietnam as a vital buffer state necessary to halt communist expansion. Critics, naturally, rejected these arguments, insisting that our involvement was not justified either on the grounds of vital national interest or strong moral imperative. They also argued that the struggle in Vietnam was essentially a civil war in which the United States had no right to intervene We can argue the validity of these positions, but the fact remains that the Government of South Viet Nam requested assistance in the form of men and materiel. U.S. leaders felt they were obligated to provide this assistance to fulfill American treaty obligations (including bilateral agreements with South Vietnam and the terms of the Southeast Asia Treaty Organization (SEATO) pact) and to protect a pro-western country from an armed totalitarian attack. It was a complicated little war. Peace.
Its still about wether we have the RIGHT to tell ANYONE who they can have as a goverment and the anwer in NO. As much as i dislike Bush i can't tell the US they can't have him as a leader.
A very complicated war indeed and many lessons should have been learned. At least our congress did learn to let the Army fight a war to win after that war. The Political lessons are deserving of its own thread... The veterans Adm treatment of the Viet Nam vets is worthy of its own thread as well.. Even though I opposed the war our country has no right to deny health care to those they sent to fight. Many Viet nam vets are still fighting for health care over Agent Orange. Many are fighting Post Traumatic Stress as it was a REALLY nasty war and once again many are denied help.
I don't disagree with that position, I just wanted to be certain you understood that your comment, "i have to argue WHY was communist that bad that the US (and others) felt it was a reason to invade another nation," was not totally accurate in that no invasion of South Viet Nam took place. Nothing more. Peace. --- Edit: spelling error ---
A Point of Information ... After having driven the Japanese out of Vietnam prior to the end of WW II, the Vietnamese declared their freedom. The following is the Preamble to their constitution under which Ho Chi Min was elected President prior to France, with assistance from the US, attempted to reinstate Vietnam's colonial status: The August Revolution won back the sovereignty for the country, freedom for the people and founded the republican democratic regime. After 80 years of struggle, the Vietnamese nation has freed itself from the colonialist yoke and at the same time abolished the feudal regime. The Fatherland has entered a new stage of its history. The duty of our nation at this stage is to defend the integrity of our territory, win back total independence and rebuild the country on a democratic foundation. Having received from the people the responsibility to draft the first Constitution of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam, the National Assembly recognizes that the Constitution of Vietnam should record the glorious achievements of the Revolution and be established on the following principles: - The union of all the people, irrespective of race, sex, class and religion: - The guarantee of the rights of democratic freedom. - The establishment of a strong and enlightened people's power. Fortified with the traditional spirit of unity of the struggle of the whole people and under a broad democratic regime, independent and unified Vietnam is marching forward on the path of glory and happiness, in the same rythm as the world progressive movement and in accordance with human- kind's wish for peace. NOTE: "After 80 years of struggle ... " refers to France's colonization of Vietnam. For those who wish to read the complete Constitution: <a href=http://http://www.cpv.org.vn/vietnam_en/constitution/1946/><font color=RED>'46 Constitution of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam</font></a> For those who wish to read the history of Vietnam: <a href=http://www.vietnamaccess.com/VnacDev/VNinfo/culture.cfm><font color=RED>A Brief History of Vietnam</font></a> Take care Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
goofy - perhaps i should have said things in Afghanistan "will" be better.. not "ARE better". My bad wording Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Even if there is a civil war now... at least these people have a CHANCE for something better. they had none under the Taliban without outside interference. Its called self-determination.. it's up to them now. Umm ok... i can see that with one or two exceptions, most of you are saying that because the US doesnt get involved in EVERY trouble spot, and because it is not going in with pure motives, then they should stay isolated from the world and let others sort their own problems out. After all Adidas is FAR more evil than subjugation isnt it? and McDonalds... thats the pinnacle of badness. I'd rather be shot for my religious beliefs any day than eat those awful burgers. A couple of you think that we have no right at all to interfere, WHATEVER our motives - a purely philosphical argument, and one which has no proven validity when applied in real life. well... go stick your heads in the sand, and cry a little when you watch the news and see people getting shot, locked up, raped, abused, wiped out because they have different beliefs than others, and driven into small tight communities for self-protection. shout out how much you care, then sit home and do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Hell, if someone cries for help, ignore them... its nothing to do with you after all. Barney out on this one, I've said all I can say.
quote well... go stick your heads in the sand, and cry a little when you watch the news and see people getting shot, locked up, raped, abused, wiped out because they have different beliefs than others, and driven into small tight communities for self-protection. shout out how much you care, then sit home and do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Hell, if someone cries for help, ignore them... its nothing to do with you after all. Barney out on this one, I've said all I can say. --------------------------------------------------------- It isn't as easy as you think it is. First off, many times while one side of a war is asking for our help, other parts of the world are asking us to leave them alone. I can prove most of the time our intentions are not pure as I look into Afirca (the country with the best argument of who we should help in war) and see us ignore the civil wars there today, yesterday, and 10 years ago. WE have provided little support and offereed less in Africa. Start following the wars in Africa and see how many are dieing and how the world just ignores the problem as if it doesn't happen. Egypt has oil and if that part of Africa gets in a war, the world will jump in "REAL" quick. Islams by faith do not want outsiders in their country and for every person that you can find "happy" in Afghanistan over the current events, you can find two more very upset and willing to back the radical Islams now. History says Afghanistan will be under some form of rule suppressive to the population within three years . I hate that as much as you, but our recent killing didn't cure the problem. Viet Nam also proves sometimes when we get involved it is a mistake as we caused the lives of many(from both sides) and Viet Nam is not the evil country we were fighting to stop it from becoming. The south asked us to help but that country is trying hard to pick itself back up. Our past of saying "communist is evil" needs to be rethought. China the largest communist country has been more peaceful than the United States in the last 100 years. Yes, thay have some problems due to money and discrimination but I ask you to look into our country and see how many problems we have internally ourself. We still have discrimination, the murder rate in our country exceded the same number of men killed in Nam during the war. Think about how sad that is..We can't solve our problems and we try to solve the worlds problems.
We didn't show the world anything but cost the life of 50,000 men from our country and many more from other countries. We didn't lose the war as we pulled out in essence making the human scarifice you are so proud of worthless. I am not attacking Viet Nam Vets but I am attacking the Politics of the United States for sending those men to kill and be killed for a war they didn't have the guts to fight right when they did fight and later just gave up. [/B][/QUOTE] Justagirl I applaud you on the thought and research you put into your posts actually Im impressed with most on this site, I find it very stimulating and I thank god or whoever that there is a place where ordinary people of different countries etc. can disscus and express thier feelings on wordly subjects. To the question at hand in and of it self of course the lose of even one life is horrible Im not a war monger. Its just when ever the Vietnam War is disscussed its as if we (ordinairy Americans) should be ashamed of it. I agree we should be ashamed at the fact the American govt. at the time did not put the efforts needed to fight the war the way it should have been, but as far as those who actually fought we have nothing to be ashamed of. My father spent 1 tour in Vietnam, and he never felt he had to justify why he fought he always told me he was there to help the people of South Vietnam. Im not saying lets be proud that over 50,000 died Ya alright. Im just saying that if there is anything good to pull from Vietnam and yes it was a trickey little situation that when their country called the men and women of the U.S. fought bravely despite the lack of support at home from the public and the govt.
I'm very proud of the Nam vets too. They fought in the nastiest war of all time. They were told you can't cross this line, you can't bomb here, and by all means you can't go into Cambodia and fight the source of supplies that are being used to kill you. I hope in my life I never see something like this repeated. The Vet's Adm has lowered the rights of Nam veterans in there ongoing fight to reduce Lincolns creation to just another hospital. The Veterans Hospital was created for any man that fights for our country and is supposed to offer full medical treatment. I feel it is very fair as war is a hard place to be. My brother fought in Cambodia (the place we wasn't supposed to be remember) and now he is being denied medical rights from the Vets Hospital because he wasn't in Nam..*shrugs*
RE SIGNATURE Hi, JustA Girl and Everyone. I agree with the first part of your signature statement, that mere men pick and choose from the Bible, but in the second part you insinuate the Bible's not God's Word. Mere humans haven't perfected their understanding of it, maybe even have written in a few alleged discrepancies, just human error. It doesn't mean the Book itself isn't God's Word.
But Jesus himself said the Bible wasn't God's word... Luke 24 25,26 "How foolish you are, and how slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken. Did not Christ have to suffer these things and then enter his glory?" Mark 7 6,7 "Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocritesm as it is written: These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain, their teachings are but rules taught by men," Jesus is the word of God and all other men are just men that make mistakes which includes the men in the Bible. Jeremiah 23 9-16 prophets of the Bible "My heart is broken within me: all my bones trmeble. I am like a drunken man, Like a man overcome by wine, because of the Lord and his Holy words. The land is full of adulterers, because of the curse the Land lies parched and the pastures in the desert are withered. The Prophets follow an evil course and use their power unjustly. Both prophet and priest are Godless, Even in my temple I find their wickedness. declares the Lord" "Therefore their path will become slippery, they will be banished to darkness and there they will fall. I will bring disaster on them in the year they are punished, declares the Lord" "Among the prophets of Samaria I saw this repulsive thing: They prophesied bt Baal and led my peope Isreal astray. And among the prophets of Jerusalem I have seen something horrible. They commit adultry and live a lie. They strenghthen the hands of evildoers, so that no one turns from his wickedness. They are like Sodom to me: The people of Jerusalem are like Gomorrah. I will make them eat bitter food and drink poisoned water, because from the prophets of Jerusalem ungodliness has spread throughout the land" shrugs Jesus had the old testament at his disposal and the Koran...and the few times he did use it as a teaching tool he showed they were just human...It can be a long debate and if you can have it without getting angry,,I can show you so much more.. ohhh and Hi there!!!!smiles
By the way i think Australia and England should invade the US to stop the babaric pratice of capital punishment. Dose anyone think this would actually happen, of corse not because were both to small and we Don't interfeare with other country's unless they interfer with each other Don't be too certain! That's not what Blair is telling us! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
This is for the Muslim responses hi people I am new here,But I do only have one question.After colombine.Did anyone ever hear of what religion Timmothy Mcves was from????No one ever said Timmothy that Bas-erd Should pay that Cathlic-crishtian-ETC...WHY IS THAT??????can anyone anwser that...I was cathlic now muslim,and can't beleave what i see today.It is all hate and watch this.But what are we teaching our youths today WAR WAR thats right and WHY?????for what revenge????So your husband or My husband can Go to WAR WAR and DIE thats right DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
