It all depends on whether you rely strictly to science, or are willing to accept the existance of a supernatural creature.
Communion: Im not entirley sure that communion wasnt taken from the orphics. and now that i think about it, many of the writers of the new testament where communion is mentioned may have written it after knowing of the orphics religion. or, some religous leader could have changed it early on, and because the bible wasnt well known early on, Christians wouldnt have known the difference. nope and sadly, my lack of drug usage renders me useless in discussing your last paragraph Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Present, your one of the most honest and explorarative peplem i've ever met when doin the forums ... about communion. reall the Orphics didn't invest it. it is as old as days. it simpl means what it says. communion with ......Originally with the Old Religion of the Earth, wit Nature and community. but later w have the mystery schools who bring in a 'spiritual' realm seen as apart from Nature. yhat's when the delusion begins i reckon. obviously. tewn we get a psychological 'split' betweenNature and 'spirit' and when Orphics write this down it becomes 'set in stone'!...all the way down the line, so tat even we today in te 21 century have a 'mind/body problem'! I completely understand your difficulty in discussing about psychedelic experience if you've never experienced it. it is utterly impossible to explain. for me i had experience when i was 15, and it was a complete dramatic turn around beyond all comprehension. Surprisngly, in my time chatting to a wide amount of people at forums that deal with psychedelics etc., i alo have met some peple who have had psychedelic experience who someties underestimate it, explain it in materialistic terms, ad hold political views etc i do not. As suggested. the Orphics TOO would have at first carried on with te psychedelic sacrament, but soo phase it out. all the way they create a divisive dogma. tis really confused me for a lon time, because MY experience riht from firstdidn't. i sought out an explantion which very much deeply respected Nature.....actually THE autor i found after a lot of misses was Alan Watts!/////learnt me about interelatedness of reality so psychedelics are not enough if set&setting is wrong. 'set' is mental set before taking sacrament, and 'setting' is the place you choose to have the experience
