Star Wars vs Star Trek

Clone troopers were not eugenic soldiers, they were merely clones with an inhibitor on their free will. The Arkanians, meanwhile, were masters of genetic manipulation for thousands of years, before they even joined the Republic. The Arkanian Dominion, their planetary government, authorized many genetics projects, like the modification of the Xexto (Gasgano the Podracer) into Quermians (Yarael Poof, or somesuch, of the Jedi council ep 1). They also created cyborg intelligence for the Yaka of the neighboring world, creating a race of humanoids with the strength and bravery of Wookiees combined with a super-genius intelligence. Finally, because of such actions, a civil war was fought on Arkania between those who approved and those who disagreed, and both sides used supersoldiers of combined genetic/cybernetic enhancement, and they created those like the practically immortal Gorm the Dissolver.

 

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i think your making up most of those.


what about thrakozog?

or the trilamailens?

or the grood?

 

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No, dude, it's in the books...you know, the actually canonical SW books, unlike ST books which are noncanon.

 

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Besides ST murdered the concept of eugenics. Eugenics take hundred or thousand of generations to implement massive changes. It is a natural breeding program that is our earliest attempts at genetic engineering. ST made it seem like advanced gene engineering. Their program lasted way to short to get the results they wanted.

 

Star Wars is a lot better than any of the others. I mean, look at the weapons the power that the Jedi and the Sith have. Look at the many explosions that the Star Wars movies have in them, whereas Star Trek is just...blah.

 

yeah theres never been any explosions in trek.

they just have explosives that could vaporize the death star ,500MT torpedos,planet eating machines,planet destroying bioships,temperal anomilies that destroy all the universe,yeah what a weak galaxy.

 

Hey there is a blip on the radar. Wonder what it could be. Oh, just Mars13. (snicker)

Well, Star Wars definately has the weapons power edge. As well as the strategic speed edge. And the numbers edge. Oh and the power generation edge. The shielding ede. the armor edge. The manufacturing edge. And the godlike being edge.

 

not really.

 

I think Dune has total monopoly over eugenics, as both Leto II and the Bene Gesserit had long term (long term as in thousands of years long) breeding plans. Look at what the Fish Speakers could do to Duncan. Heck, look at Muad'dib. And even if you ignore the Bene Gesserit and Leto II, there are the Bene Tleilax. It is for these reasons that I think Dune would harness the genetic aspect of a jedi's power.

As for a decades long battle, Leto II has lived thousands of years, and is therefore VERY patient...

 

Actually Dune's eugenics is squat compared to some of the races in Star Wars, but mostly becuase Dune is an infant compared to Star Wars, as well as being technologically backwards and way too factious (ununified). Even under Leto II they would be less than an match for the Empire. but the fight would be too cool not to watch.

 

Kron:

I'd have to agree with Kron that Dune reigns supreme as regards eugenics. This is -not- to say genetic engineering - which Star Wars has far greater of - but in pure eugenics. The fact that the Kwisatz Hadernach was a genetically-derived super being speaks leaps and bounds for this. Siona Artredies is also a worthwhile mentioning, and Miles Teg is a being of unmatched physical greatness barring Leto II's pre-worm body.

 

Actually Eugenics is just watered down geneitc engineering. It's like comparing breeding dogs and designing one from scratch. Eugenics takes generations to get what you want and you run an awful risk of excessive inbreeding and creating weaknesses to balance the strengths.

 

Eugenics and geengineering are very different things. Eugenics consists of cultivating characteristics that are spread among many individuals into one individual or line, while geengineering is usually used to produce artificial genes and strains. Geengineering could be used to put gills on humans, but eugenics can't. This means that geengineering is far more advanced and efficient than eugenics, but it must be pointed out that SW has never created anything similar to the Kwisatz Haderach.

 

Genetic engineering is basically taking eugenics several steps further. You can create a nation of all blond people by breeding them, as the nazs were trying to do. Or, with genetic engineering, you can create one. That's the difference: eugenics is breeding...while genetic engineering is pissing the eyes of gods and saying "no! no! I am one too!"

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i go with star wars for one reason, and one reason alone.....Vader.

 

Actually genetic engineering is not just making strange combination, but also fixing flaws, introducing slight improvements, and generally improving the whole being with little to no chance of error. (at least is SW universe there is little error)

As for not creating stuff like the kwisatz haderach, what do you think Sith and Jedi are.......

 

i was watching enterprise last night,it was the episode about the Soon eugenic soldiers.

they were dodging disrupter blasts.thats right,dodging disrupters,at less then 20 feet!!!

eugenic soldiers are as powerful as a jedi[just no force power,but so what ,they dont need it].

the only others i have seen dodge blasts from ANY weapon are jedi.[and not very well according to episode 3].

so eugenic soldiers should be MORE then a match for any jedi,5X strength and speed,and 2x intelligence,they make VERY formidable opponents.

more then likley they could also weild lightsabers[if they had them].

but a phaser is superior to a lightsaber in combat anyway.

 

I have to say the Star Wars would take Dune, but it would be a bloody and epic battle. Noghri and Wookie trooper would be a match for Freman. Stormtrooper would walk all over regular troops. Power Armor opponents would easily take out Fremen and Bene Geserit. Dune has shown no fighter craft and their spacefold ships are basically just huge hulls.

 

If I didn't have to run out of the door this minute I would reply.. However I have to run. So I shall be back to debate!