"Book of Mormon" plagiarism?

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  1. ConsequentAtheist Registered Senior Member

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    Absolutely not. I am, however, contemptuous of pedagogy predecated upon willful ignorance. If someone does not know as much as I know - or as much as you infer I know - fine, but don't then presume to teach/preach.
     
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  3. Nisus by peace he shall destroy many Registered Senior Member

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    Hahah Tril 2.0-- Witholding the arcane knowledge. If u were so sure of yourself; or that your ideas wouldn't be instantly erradicated, you would have said something by now.

    Tril also likes to beat around the bush. Keep on kickin against the pricks.
     
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  5. Nisus by peace he shall destroy many Registered Senior Member

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    We'll move on up now from conversation about conversation. And get to the point.
     
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  7. Marlin Registered Senior Member

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    1. If we waited until all teachers knew everything before they could teach, then who would be qualified to be teachers?

    2. You are assuming that Nisus is willfully ignorant, which implies that he knows better than what he is teaching. How do you know that? Lots of people have incomplete knowledge and yet can competently teach.

    3. Nisus has more authority in his pinky finger to teach and preach the word of God than you have in your whole body.
     
  8. Nisus by peace he shall destroy many Registered Senior Member

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    Luke 10:17-18 http://bibletools.org/index.cfm/fa/Bible.show/sVerseID/25382/eVerseID/25382

    Like a great lightning bolt streaking out of the sky, this brilliant angel, shining with all of his glory—glory given to him by God—was cast to the earth. Where did he fall? He fell right where we are, to the earth, and now we have to deal with him.

    John W. Ritenbaugh
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    8 [18] I have observed Satan fall like lightning: the effect of the mission of the seventy-two is characterized by the Lucan Jesus as a symbolic fall of Satan. As the kingdom of God is gradually being established, evil in all its forms is being defeated; the dominion of Satan over humanity is at an end.
    http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/luke/luke10.htm#foot8
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  9. ConsequentAtheist Registered Senior Member

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    More correctly, he has precisely the right type of authority "to teach and preach the word of God". Trust me, it's not at all a category in which I have any interest in competing. On the other hand, anyone with the slightest competency would have read Luke 10:18 and recognized an allusion to Isaiah 14:12. You guys are just silly ...
     
  10. Marlin Registered Senior Member

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    I recognized the allusion immediately, actually. So what?
     
  11. ConsequentAtheist Registered Senior Member

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    Of course.

    How predictably sad that you need to ask. What do you think that Isaiah 14:12 is about?
     
  12. Marlin Registered Senior Member

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    You don't believe me? We LDS are taught the scriptures in Seminary classes as youth, and Isaiah 14:12 is one of the references we memorize the location of.

    How predictably sad that you want me to say "Lucifer, the devil." Here is what the footnote in the LDS edition of the KJV says of Isaiah 14:12:

    "HEB Morning star, son of dawn. The ruler of the wicked world (Babylon) is spoken of as Lucifer, the ruler of all wickedness."
     
  13. Marlin Registered Senior Member

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    Here is what the Old Testament LDS Student Manual has to say about Isaiah 14:12:

     
  14. Nisus by peace he shall destroy many Registered Senior Member

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    After the suave entrance you made, the fanfare and condescending remarks;
    I was thinking you'd have a little more than a parallel hahah. That's not even worth talking about. But i'm glad that you can see correlations between the OT and NT.
     
  15. ConsequentAtheist Registered Senior Member

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    If you - or, to be more correct - if your doctrine says so ...

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  16. Nisus by peace he shall destroy many Registered Senior Member

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    You spewed all this before you ever got around to saying anything. A few shots, spanning across a few pages. And when you do finally cite something, it has no impact on the discussion; aside from solidifying what I was saying earlier.

    Lucifer fell from heaven.

    You're carrying on a disatisfied spirit for naught, except to condescend and flame. Support what your ideas, or at least try to draw the line from:

    Isaiah spoke of the fall-----------------------------------so that makes me a bigot, sloppy or ignorant.

    Work on your DATA skills first; then freshen up your psuedo-intillectual flamer skills later. Your bark > your bite.
     
  17. he didn't steal them, he borrowed.

    I'd like to know how he jumped up in degrees so quickly, were there new converts to Mormonism in Masonic authority that helped him rise to the top?
     
  18. Marlin Registered Senior Member

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    Yes, there were. They were called the "Brotherhood of Yeast," for obvious reasons.
     
  19. yeah huh, wink, wink! why is that Marlin? clue us in, why don't you?

    I'd like to know if anyone of you out there in cyberspace has one of those teachers' programs that finds plagiarism? it would be interesting to find out what would be the outcome of putting the BoM through it? also, if the BoM is an abridgement, why does it sound so long-winded, re-peats itself, plagiarizes other works, etc..., shouldn’t it be more to the point?
     
  20. Nisus by peace he shall destroy many Registered Senior Member

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    It has a great spiritual message your eyes are blind to...WBY
     
  21. you are too funny, now seriously, were there Mormon Masons that helped him? or were the masons looking for converts too, & tried their luck on a young "up & comer"?
     
  22. it? you mean the BoM? if it is so spiritual, why did the early LDS never follow any of its dictates, some even now?

    no polygamy, God is one

    mormon leaders never believed it, except to 'show' that Jo Smith was a prophet, (having wrote the book), it was his only claim to fame (his entrance into prophethood), a book written in error, full of errors

    yet the only thing I see for you is that you are blind, yes it has a message for me, directly from the Bible, of the people being led astray, you are worshipping Baal & Ashtoreth
     
  23. Nisus by peace he shall destroy many Registered Senior Member

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    You're still stuck on your interpretation of that passage of scripture... well wrest with it to your own destruction.

    It's still flying way over your head, the whole idea.
     

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