David Irving is arrested

Discussion in 'World Events' started by Von Chav, Nov 17, 2005.

  1. mountainhare Banned Banned

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    Because when I want to know a person's beliefs, I will ask some unrelated 'authority' figure which has been caught talking crap in the past, instead of the person themself.

    Perhaps you can quote David Irving outright denying the Holocaust? It shouldn't be that hard for you to do, since he is a vocal Holocaust 'Denier'.
     
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  3. mountainhare Banned Banned

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    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/17/AR2005111700583_pf.html
    Then again, I guess some retard who writes a wiki article (*gasp* Oh, what an influential authority figure!) is an authority on what David Irving believes, whereas David Irving himself is not.
     
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  5. Von Chav Gold chains & Stella!! Registered Senior Member

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    Again, you're just repeating your impotent prattle, complimented by your torrent of abuse. I've already gone to the effort of addressing several of your posts, and my point has already been proven. (Read my previous posts.) I'm not going to repeat myself, nor comment upon your talk of "7 million Ukrainians etc" AGAIN because I've already addressed the point you've raised. Also, by talking of the Holocaust I'm not denying sympathy to the Ukrainians, I'm just not talking about them because they have no relevence. Just because you've been proven wrong my numerous members of this forum, you simply sulk and spit poison. Go ahead, insult me some more, continue to speak of your beloved "7 million Ukrainians" and spout your anti-semitic tone - no one, quite frankly gives a fuck.

    You can "diminish" the Holocaust as much as you like Mountainhare, but just remember - theres a fine line between your approach and full on denial. I'm not going to bother to resort to 'googling' like you do, to prove that Irving has denied the Holocaust.

    While I'm on the soap box, note none of my posts are as insulting, diminishing or offensive as yours? If you were less insulting, we could have had a 'decent' argument, but you had to begin by lowering the tone somewhat. When have I implied that Jews are superior, to be labelled a 'Pro-Semite' or as you aptly put it "drama queen" who relies on sources "steeped in Zionist propaganda"? I've used no bias, just cold, grounded statistics (plus I admitted the figure to be subjective).

    Note - Your're no longer using the term "Zionist" but "Pro-Semite"? Maybe I should use the term 'Fascist' instead of Nazi to describe you?
    You call me "Pro-Semite" I call you 'Fascist'? Deal?

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    Plus (a fair deal in this case) - I'm being dishonest by responding to your posts, yes (that makes me a lair), but I can't help it when people like you talk so much "BS" as you'd put it. But atleast I have'nt sucumbed to random, meaningless and offensive insults. I'm a liar, your're a fucking pro-Nazi, abusive, cock juggling thunder cunt? Shake on it?

    To quote you yet again, Mountainhare - "Why can't retards learn alittle history?" What fucking History books have you been reading? Oh, I see the ones by David Irving!!
     
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  7. Von Chav Gold chains & Stella!! Registered Senior Member

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    Thank you Habsburg! You've saved me the effort of googling to prove Mountainhare wrong. Again.

    Though looking at the one's Mountainhare has posted, to be fair, (see Mountainhare? I can be a reasonable 'Zionist!') it seems there is a conflict of viewpoints. Though, in such an extreme case as this, I'd be inclined to agree that "diminishing" the Holocaust (in Irving's and Mountainhare's case) is equally as retarded as denial. My point being however large the number of deaths, there's no denying/'diminishing' it to be the worst war crime in history.
    Obviously, as you (Mountainhare) wisely pointed out, it is wrong to accept a subjective figure as gospel, but such an event can neither be deminished nor denied. Like you said - both pot, both kettle - both black.
     
  8. Hapsburg Hellenistic polytheist Valued Senior Member

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    Obviously mountainhare does not understand the concept of "Irving will lie to save his own skin", just as his role-models, the nazis, did.
    To clarify, Freiherr von Chav, the holocaust was not a war crime: it was a crime against humanity. Dresden, Hiroshima, London bombings, those were war-crimes. A mass genocide in an attempt to annihilate an entire racial-religous group, that was a crime against humanity, and yes, it was the worst crime in history.
     
  9. Jaybee from his cast Banned Banned

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    Can you prove that 6 million Jews were NOT killed in the camps?

    And don't FUCKING ask me if I can prove they were...I ask, you answer, that should be an acceptable system for a man of your totalitarian leanings. I find this whole nazi movement a tad hypocritical...on the one hand, they value strength and conviction, but yet are too damn scared to give a straight "yes" or "no".

    Can you prove it? Yes, or no?


    Jaybee.
     
  10. mountainhare Banned Banned

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    Hapsburg:
    Ahh, so you know better than David Irving himself regarding what David Irving believes. I trust you can find quotes where he outright denies the Holocaust? Where he denies that the Nazis persecuted the Jews?
     
  11. Ritri5432 Banned Banned

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    Is this a continuation of your history post on Hitler, Gosh you are really excited about the LOWEST trash of human history ever.
    What a despicable thing that Arabs (that shows through your style on palestinians Israeli thread) admire Hitler, he would roast your non Aryan ass too, silly ones!
     
  12. mountainhare Banned Banned

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    Oh look, Ritri the spam artist extraordinare is making shit up again. Nothing new...
     
  13. Von Chav Gold chains & Stella!! Registered Senior Member

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    "Crime against humanity" was the term I origianlly used but got branded a Zionist, so to satisfy Mountainhare I used the term 'war crime' instead. Agreed, I'll revert back to "Crime against humanity" and even that does'nt do it justice.
     
  14. android nothing human inside Registered Senior Member

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    The word "holocaust" was stripped from the Confederacy, and given to the Jews. That's fucking sick.

    I don't know whether it did or did not happen, but it doesn't matter. Live in a foreign country, alienate your hosts, get genocided = you better find someone else to cry over your ass, because in my view, it was your fault. Die quietly.
     
  15. android nothing human inside Registered Senior Member

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    All National Socialists should be Zionists, as Zionism is national socialism (nazism) for Jews.

    :m:
     
  16. android nothing human inside Registered Senior Member

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    Can you "prove" that they were?

    I don't trust any "truth" endorsed by the US government. They were lying about the gulf of tonkin, they were lying about the Zimmerman Telegram, and they were lying about flight 800. What else? The Holocaust? It's supremely probable.
     
  17. Hapsburg Hellenistic polytheist Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, actually. There is thorough documentation, as the allies liberted Europe, of the nazis death camps.
     
  18. Krieg Order Registered Senior Member

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    People, you need to realize something.

    In WW2, while Hitler was committing "the worst massacre of all time"
    by murdering 6 million jews, Stalin and his Communist regime killed 60 million eastern europeans during his marxist communist rule.

    Communism evolved from Marxism, which came from Karl Marx's "Communist Manifesto"

    Hitler was NOT the bloodiest most evil tryant of all time, althought the media enjoys demonizing him.

    More Germans and Russians died in WW2 then did jews, where are all the feelings of sorrow for them?

    Millions of Germans died during Allied bombings.......remember the Dresden and Hamburg bombings.

    My point is that people always focus on the holocaust and the death of the jews, while they almost completely ignore the deaths of Germans and other Europeans.

    Let me tell you something, jews are not as innocent as you make them to be.
    Jews have committed systematic slaughter against the palestenians as well.
    Some Jews practice a form of jewish supremacism called zionism.

    David Irving was arrested for a "thought crime", while Israel is one of the most racist/totalitarian countries in the world.
     
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  19. duendy Registered Senior Member

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    look you....i am not concerned what Jewish peoples say about the Holocaust. or that some othe evil nut has upped the people killed. THAT is not the point. tepoint is suh evil as that happened. systematic genocide, propaganda about human beings being like rats. children experiemted on, adults experiemted on, awful awful tings you wouldn't WANT to look to clsely A nevermind have DONE toyou, your loved ones, YOUR children. do you havekids?...

    but as is typical wit people who hate ALL Jewish people such as you do. you throw also your humanity out of the window. you cannot see humans as humans. you see them as races. THAT is your problem, and how evil like the Holocaust etcx etc happens!
     
  20. Von Chav Gold chains & Stella!! Registered Senior Member

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    Agreed, I'd never trust the US government on anything. But the Holocaust has been documented thoroughly (as Hapsburg said) not only by the US government, but all European governments also; Russia dito. I would'nt like to step on glass by claiming the Holocaust "could" be a lie, thats fucking sick...supremely probable yes. Supremely probable that it happened. To claim that it possibly did'nt happen is not only being naive, it's being down right fucking sick. Obviously you have to take everything with a pinch of salt, but the Holocaust is cold, hard fact. It's scale is open to dispute, but it's occurance is not.
     
  21. Von Chav Gold chains & Stella!! Registered Senior Member

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    Agreed. Mountainhare taken me down that road and I can understand his point; yours also - valid indeed. In response my point is, that I've never exaggerated the Holocaust (maybe bad-mouthed Irving - he's a cunt, thats my opinion) But I've never compared it with other occurances also, in the fear that it dilutes the point in question; This thread is on Irving and the Holocaust, nothing else.
    While it is good to put things in context, sometimes it is'nt so good to look at things from a too broad (nor narrow) perspective or you loose track of what the original argument was. In this case (as I've argued with Mountainhare, Stalin etc is'nt valid - if he was this thread would be entitled "Similarities between Stalin's reign and the Holocaust".) Yes such a link is tempting, but you start loosing track once you've made it.
     
  22. Zephyr Humans are ONE Registered Senior Member

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    Finally! An excuse to sell my new nuclear weapons to native Americans! I mean, they've been treated pretty badly by European settlers in the past ... more than annoying, the settlers killed a lot of them ... that's worse than annnoying ... so by your logic, bye bye all Americans of European descent.

    Won't Boston look so pretty in that radioactive glow?

    (If you take this seriously, please look up 'sarcasm' on dictionary.com)
     
  23. Zephyr Humans are ONE Registered Senior Member

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    Wikipedia is editable by anyone. If you disagree with an article, add to it, change it, or at least dispute it's neutral point of view. Otherwise, don't complain about inaccuracy.
     

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