So challenge it all you want, I doubt it would give a rat's arse for your challenge even if it could.
it is a hnakless task discussin wit you. why? cause you magine you are sooooo clever wit your two degrees, ad thus are quite an arrogant young chap. i hve tried to inform you tat there is abosultely no proof that 'mental illness' i a biological disease. that that is a VERY insidious myth wit no real scientific backing. your stuborness about this caused me o try and pass you onto a Neurologist, Dr Baugman who could perhaps explain t you in more depth.......but ONLY if you wll listen. did you get in touch wit him--i forewarded you his email address. IF not. WHY not? is it cause you want to cling to your myth?
It's not a disease like flu, but a disease can alter the physical structure of the brain that in the result can alter the psyche of the individual. The same can occur from a physical damage to the brain (heavy blow on the head) or from different chemicals (narcotics), etc.
if mental illness is a disease as you seem to suggest. show me your proof. end of. where is your proof? present it to this thread for us to examine.
first of all duendy, could you describe this materialistic science that is trying to take over our lives? don't just give me bs because you think i'm patronizing you, i'd like to hear it so i can understand you better. mental illness is not a disease. there are diseases that cause mental illness; some injuries also cause mental illness. the term mental illness isn't really defined, it has a lot of grey area. usually mental illness describes something like adhd, manic depression, ocd, etc. these mental illnesses are present throughout a person's life; it is inherent in their genes. it is not a disease that is caught and spread, but a certain genetic makeup that causes an abnormal balance in the brain. abnormal in the sense that most people fit into a normal range of differentiation, while the person with ADHD has a quality outlying the rest in rarity. most of the time these mental illnesses cause the person to have a poorer quality of life than the average joe. you can't hold a train of thought long, or you don't have the motivation to even get up in the morning. the only reason people go to psychologists is because they know something is out of balance in their brain. they know they arent experiencing life like they normally should. you might have the argument that that is how they should normally feel if their genes made them that way, but saying that doesn't make their lives any better.
look Roy...all those words ytou've just said--in your paragrph are subjective. there is no proof that someone with shot attention span, cant get up in te morning, is shouting at teacher, mum, dad, and a whole host of 'unacceptable' bhaviour is mentally illness, and in need of being drugged Yes, of course there are behaviours that seem unmanagable...look at te flippin world. look at what Bush and Blair etc etc get up to...thats NORMAL?? yet i dont see ANYONEclaiming they are mentally ill. thats accepted, brushed under carpet. now, i am not SAYING they ARE mentally ill. that would cancel out what i am asserting. what i mean is, WHO decides what is 'abnormal behavious which is biological disease'?....can you not see who benefts from creating more and more 'mental illnesses'? i tell you, mainly big pharma and bio-psychiary. the latter bascially patronized by the former! much money nd power.....not any of em speak of lifesyles, the inqualities of this world/system, good food, community. no. they spend billions of advertizing their drugs, all of which are toxic and cause damge to the human organism Materialistic Science is a main rock the above two cling to. it has it that only matter is real. that consciousness is an epiphemenon of complex matter. eg human brains. hence it biilds a culture on this ontological presupposition/metaphysical premise. ny deviation. rebellion, etc away from tis 'truth' imposed on us via StateScience indoctrination is seen as a breakdown in the 'biochemical machine'---tat its defult is 'normal' as rthey subjectively interpret normal to be. in present case it is corporatism, exploitation, illegal wARS' wars against its own citizens, ie. its war on drugs notice, NOT theirs!), consumerism, and 'education education education' (Blair)!
So Duendy, what are you goign to do with your non-materialistic life? Are you going to levitate across the Atlantic? Live to be 183?
"Sciencism""? There is no such word. Who is clinging to their myth duendy? You still clinging to your 1960's Thomas Szasz myth? The fact is YOU don't want to believe mental illness exists, and the crux of your argument is that YOU don't want people telling you that YOU are mentally ill. Why are you so offended by the word "normal"? Psychiatry doesn't use the word "normal", or impose stigmas upon people. It seems you have imposed certain stigmas upon yourself. Fair enough, you have your own reasons, but its offensive to claim mental illness doesn't exist when there are so many people who are suffering because of it. "all of which are toxic and cause damge to the human organism" Actually approved psychiatric drugs aren't toxic, and taken correctly don't damage the human organism. I take them twice a day, and for example: i can speak and spell quite coherently. These drugs stop a lot of people from killing themselves and others, and you dismiss it as a giant conpiracy. Do you think marijuana is less damaging and less dangerous? These people you complain about are politicians. I think Bush is fucking crazy, and a moron. But he's a religious freak, not a scientist. Obviously conservatives are going to be atrocious when it comes to the public health and public education systems.
ohhhh, kid, it's all connected!!! Bush is getting millions from Big Pharma...! schools and unis. too, plus they get moneies form the military industrial complex....you SEEM to be in the know about the corruption of politics, but this UTTERLY related issue you turn a blind eye bind eye. ODD!....you do know that Bush administration wants every man woman and child tested for 'mental illness' dont you? SEE THE PATTERN. you are only focusing on a part of it
actually, a lot of psychiatric meds are chemicals that are already present (or normally present) in the human mind. Either that or they are chemicals that inhibit or promote the release/reception of chemicals in the brain. the whole point is to bring chemical levels in the brain to an acceptable level. acceptable, in the case, meaning a level that the patient feels more comfortable at. i know it doesnt always work that way, but that doesn't mean mental illness is a myth. i think you are discovering a new way of looking at things, and you see that mental illnesses are hyped to an extreme that they are portrayed so blatantly false that it couldn't seem real in any way. but that is only a flaw in language, not the actual problem. mental illness is a label designated to an outlier on the graph of human mentalities. everyone's brain is different in different ways; saying there is a norm is misleading. but it's like looking at a bell curve. the chemical balance of most peoples' brains lies in the middle of the graph, the highest amount. the people we say have mental illnesses are at the ends of the graph, with the least people. i think medication is entirely up to the individual, but there comes a certain point, those farthest out on the bell curve, where someone is so chemically unbalanced that they need medication to carry on any kind of normal life. and that is ok because basically, all the medication does is to stimulate a part of the brain to make more of a certain chemical (which it would be doing in most other people's brain anyways) so they have a greater ability to think. but a lot of the time, these unbalances in the brain are so slight that they only cause a person to have unique perspectives on everything. in fact i would say that no one is balanced completely, but that is a good thing. as long as we have enough balance to maintain consciousness, its fine (for the most part; people will complain about anything).
Roy, the 'chemical balance' hype is a myth. It is subjective and is not A biolgical disease. the information abou is to be had if you research behind the myth promoted by the drug companies and shrinks, and psychologists--who are themselves getting their feet under the drug/money table....or greedy faces in the trough you are so naive to imagine that this is scientific. again and again i have told you there is no PROOF. reall but you are not believing me. you and huwy etc. what can i do. break my arse transferring all te evidence it IS a myth. STILL you would not believe me. so, i try and recommend you contact an expert. would you?.....ten you can judge yourself. tis expert is Neuroscientist and knows his business and te corruption of te pharma-midical-psychiatric-government cartel....do you WANT to find out? are are you just going to mantra the myth to yourself and me ad nauseum? Thisis a pill-pop culture, a pill for friggin everything inscluding gettin a hard on, and now they are pushin teir shit to women to increase horniness in old age. itis a thriving busineess...wit VAS profit..not far behind the military insudtrial complew profits. in fact that industry and the war on drugs FUNDS the militray!..........and you trust that?? te modus operandi of tis pill-poppin culture is to increase rthe market......? you know the business religion. its writ down you INCREASE MARKETS...? well thats what is being done. so they INVENT'biological diseases' and inform you you NEED teir mediation meanwhile deliterious lifestyles continue......bad food pushed by Big Food, full of errr chemicals, and all frms of shit like salt fat sugar.....all of that is bye the bye in order for us o understand what is going on we need to understand the culture and the myth. yes. if people want psychiatric drugs, then of course they are free to have them. BUT i do not agree wit tem being lied to about diagnoses labelling them biologically ill, and not being told about toxic, and addictive effecs of drugs....there has been VERY much controversy of big pharma and shrinks and docs pishing so-called anti-depressants o tyoung people, known to cause suicidal tendencies--and where many suicides have actually happened etc...and drug compnies HIDE the information bout thi for years!...you missed about all this?
Duendy, you claim that I'm not arguing with you right now, but I was hoping you would tell me how you define such conditions as bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, alzheimers, etc., if not as mental illnesses.
so you don't believe that the brain produces and is affected by chemicals? you don't believe that the basic structure of the brain can be distorted? you don't believe that the genes concerning the brain can become damaged in replication? do you know anything about what you are talking about? there is plenty of proof, its just that you refuse to look at it because it invalidates your theory. you have shown no evidence supporting it either. in fact, the only support you have shown for your theory is the refutation of everyone else's observations. here is one site that talks about psychosis and how it occurs in the brain http://www.cdhb.govt.nz/totara/brain.htm and a wiki article about so called "chemical imbalance" (this might interest you more). i agree that phamaceutical companies do often try to sell a drug that doesn't always fix the problem and that they are just trying to make money. but that doesn't disprove mental illness. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_imbalance_theory they frustrate me too, but not everyone is like that. in fact, contrary to what you might usually see, most poeple are not like that. not really sure what you're talking about here. they are not lied to. if the people diagnosing the patients are wrong, then its usually out of ignorance, not a huge conspiracy against the people. individual doctors will consciously lie to people, yes, but the amount is insignificant to those who are honest about their careers. the ones most associated with lying to 'the people' are the companies who push their product, who try to get it out as soon as possible with the least experiments testing it. it is then up to the job of the doctor to find the safest and most well-tested drug that helps the patient in the most specific way with the least side effects. there are so many variables there in which a mistake could be made.
alzheimers is a real biological disease, the oters you have labelled aren't.....how would i define the 'others' if not mental illness?....diverse forms of behaviour labelled by this culture as diseases for thepuprposes of social control, so as to drug them, and not face the cultural reasonw why it is various forms of behaviour may be excacerbated and not tolerated......for example 'adhd' a fairly new bogus 'diseasew' is labelled on children who for one reason or another cant get on with the institution of school, and/or domestic life......so 'society' rather than face the underlying problems--the actual institution of school, lifestyle, food, capacity of child, etc. No, so they invent a 'dis-order' and then drug it with toxic drugs...................An example of so-caled schizophrenia, a young girl may leave home, go to uni...........she is overwhelmed by life away from home, having to fit in. she begins to feel isolated and beliefes her peers are talking about her. soon tis fear sems to become actual voices in the her had. she goes for help and is diagnozed 'schizophrenic' and is put on brain damaging drugs.......................and/or a young black male, is harrassed by police, hs been given low self-esteem from school, and racist attitudes, hismanner/way of being is also not understood by the white community/authorities. he freaks out when gettting arrested on suspicion for someting. he is daignoses 'schizophrnic' andput on damaging drugs......Now te diagnoses for all tese 'condisions' are subjective, for there is no ACTUAL biological disease of course tere are various forms of BEHAVIOUR deemed unaccepatable, but ten it get labelled 'disorder/disease' and drugged read my reply to Roy and check out the links
it is ALL a con, be cause tere is NO evidence that there is NO evidence for 'mental illness'....! so it is a sham. a con. admittedly some o the plyers will believe it , like you do. for many there are huge vast amounts of money involved, and power. so that works against them WANTING to explore the truth for them....
