Meaning of life

Discussion in 'General Philosophy' started by Non-Logical-Idea-Guy, Nov 19, 2005.

  1. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    Newsflash: the universe is expanding at an accelerating rate.
    And it is united as it is, because the energy is one.
     
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  3. c7ityi_ Registered Senior Member

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    that's right: consciousness. because you refuse to believe me, unity is not attained, instead there is repulsion, separation, creation, expansion. for the same reason, the entire universe "expands" (perhaps).

    listen to the infinite wisdom of etc: the "expansion" is accelerating because the universe is coming closer to its goal. just as with gravity, or if you see your best friend after a long time, you'll run and try to unify. you also try to unite with food. but some things you consider to be anti-you, like this computer in front of you, so when you touch it, there is repulsion, consciousness, a will to be avatar. the atoms in your body do not accept your existence. material things can't be united, so the universe continues to exist.

    a spiral was created and the beings are trying to come closer and closer to the center, closer to themselves. but the center remains an aim forever because infinite cannot be reached. the center is already everywhere at the same time. you are the center. when you were in the unconscious, you created me to say some things to you, but you don't remember it anymore since you have become a body, a person. you have forgotten yourself. the self is unification. unification is destruction, nothingness. you wanted to be, and being requires consciousness, separation.

    yey, humans are the only ones capable of unification in the universe. the universe came from unity and it will return there. but there was no big bang. the center is everywhere. the self is everywhere. the goal has already been attained, it always was. the goal is the cause. the cause is the presence. it is you.
     
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  5. c7ityi_ Registered Senior Member

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    why did we create the everything?
    so that we would wonder why we created it?
    or so that we would have fun?
    or so that it would try to unite again?

    no... we separated everything from unity so that unity would be real. it was a necessary and instant consequence of the ever existing unity.
     
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  7. Non-Logical-Idea-Guy Fat people can't smile. Registered Senior Member

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    thank you for your great insights
     
  8. nameless Registered Senior Member

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    This is it. The real story.
    You asked and now is the time for the Truth.

    My pet carp has been naughty as of lately, what with flying off for weeks and leaving a pile of carp crap on the hood of my Volvo.

    So I told him that if he wanted his nightly 'bones', that he would have to perform a task for me.
    He had to devise a way to crap out a hologramic universe of Madness, dominated by the dangerously insane that lasts but a moment and seems to last forever. He had to make it 'colorful' (interesting), too, for my pleasure.

    And there you be! This is your 'meaning'.. hahahahaha....

    He gets his bones, and you, for better or for worse, are the product of Romulus the First, sitting within the southwest corner of a steamy pile of Carp Crap on the hood of my fukking Volvo!
     
  9. ExPlOrE Registered Member

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    nameless: thats pretty funny. thanks for story. everyone likes the unexpected.

    non logical idea guy: i attempt to pursue meaning by taking insights from various theories, philosophies, absolutes. while i adopt primarily existential views (not the negative kind, that is just misinterpretation), maybe some buddhist principals, theories regarding particle interactions, and biological meanings such as reproduction etc. i always have a tendency to accept scientific inference because i find it refreshingly objective. if you get the chance, read 'into the cool' by eric schneider and dorion sagan. It discusses a strictly scientific meaning to life in general (being the organized chemical interactions that we are) relating to the second law of thermodynamics: entropy. I have only just purchased this book but am already very interested. it looks at what all life does...break down energy gradients. i like this theory because it is based on a commonality of all life forms which to me is absolutely necessary in considering any kind of meaning to life (even if its not a meaningful meaning...). the theory should take into consideration the aspectual shape of life as a collection of all life forms from the beginning until now. anyway, if you read the book let me know what you think. again, while i do believe in the truth of this principal. it is a basis from which to move forward with. so, after i can acheive a scientific explanation for my existence, i acquire meaningful theories that give human life purpose, or my individual life for that matter. these are equally justified but should be considered seperately. for instance, i might say that the scientific purpose for life is to break down energy gradient, but my meaning for humanity is going to be more along the lines of pursuing ultimate knowledge, exploration, development, creation of AI ....whatever. so, each level of existence carries with it different meanings just as individual cells have a different purpose than the organ that they coordinate to form.

    the meaning of human life gets more interesting when you realize what conscious intelligence is. i mean we are quite literally an organized representation/expression of the universe or of existence. its known fact that we are made of elements which were born in the core of stars meaning we have been forged out of the fabric of the inatimate substance of our universe. so that means that we are the universe observing and learning about itself. what does this mean? well i'm not sure but we are capable of subjective thought which leads me to believe that there is likely something more to life than the purely meaningless interaction of matter. anyway, explore the realities around us, on all levels, from all perspectives.
     
  10. ayla_z It's always here, always now.. Registered Senior Member

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    ? It would affect your life completely. Your countries economy would slump drastically, employment would decline, trade, tourism, etc, etc..animals would become extinct, eco systems the world over would change, oceans would rise and you'd have lost nearly every friend your country ever had.

    Would it still not affect your life?
     
  12. eternal sunshine Registered Member

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    Ahh, the meaning of life!

    God.

    Like “ the transient creatures that swarm and multiply in a drop of water” our miniscule cells go about their business oblivious to the whole that is us.

    God wants to express itself, to look upon it's creation and be more than simply physical and chemical rules. To have free will and be complete.

    To be at one.

    To have a playstation
     
  13. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    But most or all of those things could happen even without Europe and Africa sinking beneath the waves! And that's my point ...there would be some changes in the world, but overall, life would just keep right on going. We'd wake up in the morning, go to work, work all day, come home, eat dinner, watch tv, then go to bed. What changes?

    And even if you knew "The Meaning of Life", what would it change in your own life? You'd still have to go to work, work all day, ........, go to bed. What changes?

    Baron Max
     
  14. john smith Tongue in cheek Registered Senior Member

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    Max, you dissapoint me..

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    ..., im sure you meant that if Europe, apart from the bit inhabited by John Smith and ....

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    See what i mean? :m:
     
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    Well, no, John ....'cause I know that ye're a very good swimmer!

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  16. DarkThorn Registered Senior Member

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    Well what changes is - you now know the meaning of life so life now has meaning.
    If you know that meaning then you might not have to work or go to bed or eat or shit or even breathe. The meaning of life could be death in which case you'd be running for the bottle of pills or the nearest gun shop. If it was love and procreation then you'd be concentrating on finding a partner and getting laid [fair play you'd still have to eat and sleep, etc but meaning changes everything]. If the meaning of life was to become a bird God, to follow migrating birds and learn their language and teach them the laws of life. Well, that is then what you would concentrate on doing.
     
  17. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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    I would think that meaning exists whether intelligent life forms understand it or not. It is afterall the relationship between one or more 'things'. The meaning of life is the relationship of 'life' to everything it can have a reltionship with (grass, water, photons, poo, UV rays, gravity, ... etc.). The answer is not necessarily useful.

    I suspect people confuse the question of the 'meaning of life' with the 'purpose of life'. IMO, the latter question for life on earth is conceptually simple; although, it doesn't necessarily mirror the purpose of other life in the universe.
     
  18. duendy Registered Senior Member

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    )))))the most profound way to grasp what Meaning of life is is to understand the aliveness of Nature

    if there was one period i guess in human history that has engendered such sense of alienation, and utter sense of meaningless ness it is the last 400 years of mechanistic and materialistic science. where Nature is 'dis-spiritied' psychologically. It is explaind away as being 'dead'. Then all becomes dull, flat, a Wasteland, a machine, and we beome cogs in it

    Then that same mechanical culure holds out 'sweets' to 'add meaning' to its 'mechanical life it fascistically imposes'. Consumerism is a big big 'sweet'. but does it really satisfy? might do when you unwrap your shiny new gadget, but MEANING isn't that, and soon the novelty wears off....then you want a new one...then a new one. if you wanna see how this works and the SECRET manipulations regarding this, checkout all about Edward Bernays!!!

    REAl meaning is the living/dying/regenerating exploration of a living/dying/regenerating Nature,
     
  19. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    What does "meaning" mean?

    1.To act as a symbol of; signify or represent

    I don't think existence is symbolic of anything else.

    2.To have as a purpose or an intention

    I don't think there is an intended outcome to the universe.
     
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  20. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Those are traditional definitions. When it boils down to it, meaning is merely a relationship between 'things'.
     
  21. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    And the meaning of life is what? The relationship between everything?
     
  22. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Life and everything it can potentially relate to. It becomes kind of a crazy question to ask

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  23. devils_reject Registered Senior Member

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    Crazy question. If you really think about it if there is a meaning to life; by this I think you mean purpose, then it wouldn't be life any more would it? I mean we wouldn't be as free and much of it's sanctity will be taken away. The greatest gift in life so far has been the many different viewpoints.
     

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