You're the damn troll! I posted on page one way before you ever did, but then you just couldn't resist the "troll" inclination to post right after me to cut me down as usual with your toilet mouth. Are you stalking me?
I see where your coming from now, but maybe "never mind" is best. I think I am looking at it differently though.
Gendanken, Ha! Sounds like you're the one getting depressed now. (Frustrated at the very least.) Apologies for not saying something on topic in my latest post, but I really don't know what to add. I do find it interesting, it brings to mind Diagram G... somewhat. It's definitely a recursive process. But I can't think of anything to add except for questions and conjectures but nothing solid in the way of explanations or such. Mind if I ask where you're getting this stuff from? A book on numerology? Or does it only touch on numerology at points? By the way, it would be more proper to say that there are 9 numbers (above zero) with a persistence of one. 15 with a persistence of 2. 14 of 3. 38 of 4. Etc... Strange pattern of numbers. Or rather. Lack of pattern. A lack of pattern to make up for the pattern of 8's and 9's? Hmmm. Could you provide a little more background for this 'teaser' that could perhaps point the direction to how to think about it? Does the book mention 8's and 9's or was that your own observation? Edit: Wait. Hold up. The first nine numbers would have a persistence of 0. Then 15 of persistence 1. 14 of persistence 2. 38 persistence of 3. Etc... You know. Writing this, the number 38 jumps out at me as one less than 39 (the first number of persistence of 3) but this is not a pattern that holds with any of the other intervals... As I said earlier, there seems to be no pattern in the intervals. I am still also interested in your first 'teaser' by the way. You say that it's a statistical thing that can be done with any text of sufficient length. What do you mean? I'm sure that it won't always point to 'god'. Do you mean that given enough verses, chapters, whatever, you can find a word in every text that is pointed to by every word in the first passage? This came from the same text from which the thing on persistence came from? I'm shocked to hear you're reading up on numerology, but I imagine that there are a large number of similar oddities that have been discovered down the years in the study of numerology. My question is what kind of treatment does the book give them? Does it explain them very well or just present them in a way to make you go 'whoa'? I'd love to hear what Hofstadter had to say about the topic.
How about a new teaser or riddle. How about one from Gollum? This thing all things devours: Birds, beasts, trees, flowers; Gnaws iron, bites steel; Grinds hard stones to meal; Slays kings, ruins towns, And beats high mountains down. I know it's easy, but I wish I were in Middle Earth.
Cotton, Way too easy. (Too well known, anyway.) How about this one? What's the difference between a granny and a granary? Or another. What's the difference between a kitten and a dangling participle?
Get a room, valich and invert nexus. Nobody wants to see you fight out your differences on the forum.
Gendanken, I have a similar question as to Cotton's. Does one only have ten? Does 2 only have 25 and etc? An aside: With any source of semi-random numbers, the digits 1 and 2 are most frequent, decreasing in frequency to 8 and 9. So for instance, if you were to take the lengths of all the rivers in the world and count up the digits in each number, the most common digits would be one and two, the least common 8 and 9. And now I can't remember why this is. It's some sort of artifact that occurs due to a base 10 counting system. By the way, in the case of completely random numbers, the digits all occur frequently. The mathematician who first wrote about this phenomena noticed it when he was looking through a math book. The math book had some sort of information (statistical? trigonometric?) for numbers. So the book started with information on 1 and went up to some value X. The book was worn most in the first part of the book, but the condition of th epages logarithmically improved as one went torwards the back of the book. Anyone know abou this? (Looking at James R....)
I think Gendanken was saying the smallest number with persistance of 1 is 10, the smallest with persistance 2 is 25...and so on. Is this right? Did somebody already say that and I missed it?
dear me vert aint gonna bite no one has a rollicking good time in sciforums anymore Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
A few problems with this suggestion, James. Allow me to elucidate. #1. I have no wish to have a personal relationship with Valich. 'Getting a room' would be far too personal and I will not do it. #2. The 'discussion' I had with Valich in this thread would not be relevant in a pm. I merely addressed his questions about the 'riddles'. Yes. I did so rudely. But that's because he's being so goddamn dense as always. I've had a history with him in other threads and have long since given up any patience with the man. So. I addressed his issues with the thread in the thread. The only side issue of his possible sock puppetry I discussed tangentially with Gendanken. (I am more sure every day that he is a sock puppet. Most likely with a mod behind the mask as well by the way the mods that have bumped into him tootsie foot around his idiocy.) #3. There is no need to take it to a 'room' as I've already apologized to Gendanken for bringing my animosity into this thread. I've also decided (again) to once more ignore him. I've done this before, but I always get drawn back in due to his masterful trolling. Truly a superb idea, creating a troll like him. He's really almost irresistable. By the way, he's already driven one valued member away from the forums. I wonder if there'll be more? Hopefully Ophiolite will come to his senses and return. #4. Ever think that some people do like watching people 'duke it out' in public? The problem with duking it out with Mr. Valich here is his troll armor is far too thick. Arguing with him is like arguing with a downs sydrome kid on acid. Very tiring. I bet it's amusing to watch though. Anyway. No answers to my riddles then? I'm thinking about answering one myself, but I suppose I'll wait a bit longer. To repeat. What is the difference between a granny and a granary? And. What is the difference between a kitten and a dangling participle? SoyArista, Yes. That's exactly what she said. I'd still like to hear more about the source of these 'teasers'. I think an integration with Hockstadter's Recursive Transition Networks is in order. But, I'd like a little more background first. C'mon, Gendanken. What you got?
Bingo. Bango. Bango Skank was here in the year of 99........ (Did you cheat? These riddles both come from the same source. Childe Rolande to the Dark Tower Came....)
If I had cheated I would have answered the second one, too. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! No point in cheating, anyway, it takes the fun out of it, no?
Let me alter my remaining riddle. I just searched it on the internet because I suspected I had the wrong sentence structure name and I was right (I always hated diagraming sentences in English class. HATE!!) So. What is the difference between a kitten and a complex sentence?
Invert, I too have run into Valich, and he's absolutely infuriorating. So I just left him with his jaw in the "Wha...?" position and went elsewhere. I recommend you do the same. And no, so far, I haven't found your antics amusing. In fact, I'm disappointed that your witty retorts and the like degenerated into profanity and petty name calling. That sort of namecalling's below you, mate. Or, it ought to be. To continue on your metaphor of Down Syndrome kids, you're the bully who teases him, unimaginatively, because he's retarded. Just leave him in the corner to drool, yeah? And your kitten riddle. I've heard that somewhere, I think. Does it have anything to do with yarn?
First of all. Ain't nothin beneath me. I'm a moral degenerate. Second of all. I'm disappointed that you have badmouthed the use of profanity. I fucking love profanity. Fucking LOVE!!!11!!1!!!1 Third. Yeah. Well. After you devote so much time and effort into creating posts that both counter that which one disagrees with and affirms that which one does agree with and filled with what you call 'witty retorts' as well as a splash of profanity (just for flavoring, mind you) only to have it go ignored... again... and again.... Sigh. The guy is just maddening. Red rag to a bull. A real pity, too. If he's not a troll and doing these things on purpose, then his desire to learn is obvious. But, tragic, considering his infirmities. Anyway. Yup. I'm actually tempted to put him on my ignore list. I've never used and never intend to. I despise the very idea of the ignore list. But, I'm tempted to do it with him just so I won't be tempted to ever respond to him again. Nope. If no one gets it by tomorrow, I'll give a clue.
A weak stab at the kitten riddle: "A Kitten" is an incomplete sentence, while a "complex sentence" implies the existence of one or more dependent clauses?
Well, if you're going to try and cheat, Google isn't the way to do it. No instant answer to be found there. As for "Childe Rolande to the Dark Tower Came," I didn't read the whole thing, but *Huh?* My guess- kittens are furry.
