Ah. No wonder you 'meh'd' me. That's actually quite interesting, isn't it. Hofstadterian. And. I guess I have to agree that technically the original post wasn't a riddle per se. But close enough that it shouldn't engender the confusion that it has amongst a certain troll (I'm up to 85% certainty that he is a sock puppet now.) Anyway. Hmm. 34? 3x4=12 1x2=2 2 Or. Wait. That'd be a persistence of 2, right? So. 217. 2x17=34. 3x4=12. 1x2=2. 2. Right? Hey. Here's a riddle I always liked. I've told it before. But perhaps not to you or to those reading. The beginning of eternity. The end of time and space. The beginning of every end. The end of every place.
Whoa- Who? I'll kill em. Nyet. That's nowhere near the smallest number. and last but not leastiest: E You can tell you're depressed. Cheer up, I'm about to roast Lola. Maybe.
Threats of physical violence are clearly against forum policy. So, to protect you from your own hot-headedness, I must keep the identity of said troll a secret. Consider it a riddle. It's not a difficult one. The only question I have is who lies behind the mask? I suspect that this is no ordinary sock puppet. I suspect multiple identities playing games behind one user name. Just a hunch. Hmm. I suppose I'll have to think of another method then. I simply started with the lowest possible end result and worked backwards. I'll come back to this in a bit. Unless someone beats me to it, that is. Damn you. That was too easy. I love that riddle. It took me forever to figure it out. One tends to overlook such things as 'e' because, after all, it is the most used letter in the alphabet (a handy piece of knowledge for those who like to solve cryptograms.) Shaddup. I'm fine. I'm actually enjoying my day off. Been a rough week. Next week will be gravy though. Especially Tuesday. Although, I suppose, it could be the toughest of them all. Anyway. Like I said. I'm enjoying my day off. Got my feet up (my poor aching feet) and am thinking about going shopping, but probably won't. Thinking about shopping is far less dangerous than actually going shopping. Si? Still. I'll get the marshmallows. Roast away.
How about 39? 3x9=27 2x7=14 1x4=4 unless you can use negative numbers, though I don't really know how to breakdown a -number into two parts. -39 could be -3x9 or -3x-9. wouldn't matter I guess. In this case you would be looking for a fairly large negative number. Are you excluding negative numbers, gendy?
Most of us believe that God does not exist. The only riddle I see now is: "Why would you be mocking me and calling me stupid for not understanding the so-called riddle?" Did you ever think that it might be more congenial, appropriate, and nice to explain it better instead? Rather than instigating hostility? From the original post, I still do not see anything puzzling or mystifying about it. What's the riddle?
Clearly, you are referring to me, as if it is a crime to surf the web? You seem to be much more of a "troll" than I, and in any case, what is wrong with going from one forum to another? And yes, you are right. Threatening someone with physical violence is clearly unacceptable on any forum on the internet and can lead toward police intervention.
allright you cantenkerous worm, I was nice to you but not anyomore. The only person that was in here calling you all kinds of names was Invert_Nexus NOT me. I saw no reason at all to be rude to you since you in fact posed a good question. I welcomed you here. Go back and read the thread. The only one person “congenial, appropriate, and nice enough to explain it better to you” in here was ME. I’m not rude unless the other is rude first, like with like. You’ve been nothing but rude to me. Cotton: Bingo. I only consiered natural numbers, which don’t include negetives. Why you do you people say ‘gendy’? (note: negetives wouldn’t affect this at all. –323 still comes out to a collapsed digit 8, no matter which number you choose to make negetive We’re only mulitplying.) Here’s something weird. From numbers 1 to 11, you’ll find the following persistences: 1 has 10 2 has 25 3 has 39 4 has 77 5 has 679 6 has 6788 7 has 68889 8 has 267889 9 has 26888999 10 has 3778888999 11 has 277777788888899 Notice all the 8’s and 9’s. Why is 8 and 9 so common? And just when you think you can make a pattern out out of it, it then does something that doesn’t make sense. And what is strange is that nobody can figure out any number with a persientce greater than 12. I swear if any of you can find it, you’d be….god.
No bad reason. Just that I tend to shorten most names to something shorter, if possible. If you don't like it, tell me, and I'll use your whole name. It's kind of like a nickname. Yes, but -39 would be a smaller number than 39. I thought you might be trying to trick us. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! I don't quite get your last teaser. Can you explain how you come up with say "1 has 10," for example? I must be dense.
Read closer, you fucking lobotomy. Like with like.. I welcomed you here until you pissed on my courtesy. Or am I insane? Was I not nice to Valich? I welcomed him/her in here despite his/her aggressions. I"m learning to control my temper. (Too fucking bad you can’t read Spanish, huh? ) Cottontop: Clever, clever. Didn’t think about that. Hmm…it reads weird. Ok. 10 collapses down to a single digit after only one multiplication, 1x0. So 10 has a persistence of 1. 25 collapses down to a single digit after only two mulitiplications: 2x5=10 1x0=0 So 25 has a persistence of 2. 39 collapses down to a single digit after only 3 multiplications: 3x9=27 2x7=14 4x1=4 So 39, like you found, has a persisentece of 3 All these numbers with the curious pattern of 8’s and 9’s at the end have a chronoligical persistence from 1-11. In other words, the numbers in 277,777,788,888,899 have to be multiplied with each other 11 times before you reach a single digit. What is weird is that no one has yet found a number that takes 12 steps to collapse down to a single digit. You can collapse a number once, twice, three timss, four times, five times all the way up to eleven times but not 12 times? Why? What’s so speacial about 12? See?
Damn you, Cotton!! (I knew someone would get it before me.) Anyway. Oh shut the fuck up you little fucking troll. That was in no way a 'direct life-and-death direct threat'. God, you're such a little fucking weasel. Gendanken, sorry for bringing my baggage with the troll into this thread. Maybe he wouldn't have become such a cancerous maggot in here if I hadn't brought in my animosity. However, he was already neck deep in his patented "Whaaa???? I don't understand anything!" bit so I suspect that things probably would have gone just as they already did anyway. But. Still... My apologies.
Gendanken, so you're saying that there are only 10 numbers that have a persistence of 1. Only 25 numbers, in existence, that have a persistence of 2, etc. I would assume that a supercomputer could find a number that had a persistence of 12, if such a number existed. Perhaps one does not exist. Interesting. I'm not much of a mathmetician (got a D in calculus in college, I think), but it's interesting that you think about this kind of problem. I've never really thought about numbers much, just used them. Wish I still had my Hewlett Packard calculator though. The one I have now isn't able to compute large numbers. You've always interested me, gendy. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! P.S. Is there something special about "12" to you?
I've always liked you too, Invert. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Where is Water?
I am communicative in Spanish but not fluent, although I am fluent in Chinese, and you? In any case, why would you be resorting to using vulgarity and name calling in Spanish and not in English? This is an English forum! Say what you mean and mean what you say in the language of the forum! I let you - await for you - to translate what you said to me in Spanish so that everyone can read it! Dah!
Uhmm.....no. You only multiply the numbers in 10 once to get down to 1. So it has a persientece of one because you only multplied once. You only multiply the numbers in 25 twice to get down to 1. So it has a persientece of two because you only multplied twice. You only multiply the numbers in 39 thrice to get down to 1. So it has a persientece of three because eyou only multplied thrice. ..........never mind...... -Gendanken
