If there weren't any white people...

Discussion in 'The Cesspool' started by Roman, Nov 9, 2005.

  1. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Dr Lou Natic and J.B have both been banned for 3 days for their racism in this thread.
     
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  3. Alex1 Registered Member

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    Im sorry I had my facts a little off for a moment, I re-looked up my #'s

    There is more white on black crime, than black on white

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    More white on white crime than black on black

    Also people will do things under certain situations. I have yet to meet a man that wouldnt steal a loaf of bread to feed his family in a desperate situation, its just human nature

    Granted some crimes are far more severe than that I know, and shouldnt be justified in any way, but a lot of minor crimes are brought to be because of circumstance
     
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  5. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    But what are the percentages? When the two groups are not the same size, the numbers mean nothing ...you must have the percentage of crime for it to make any sense. Try again, you'll begin to see the staggering statistics!

    One thing that keeps bothering me is how they've now begun to "hide" all of those statistics, because it's not "politically correct" to break crime numbers down to human types/races/breeds. So finding the right breakdown is not as simple as it once was ....and my guess is, because it's so damning, they'll try to hide it even further so no one will know the real truth!

    Baron Max
     
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  7. Lucidfox RPG Nut Registered Senior Member

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    Crimes are commited by people of all races. And just because a certain percentage of people in a race commit a crime does that mean they all will? No! There are a lot of intelligent and articulate people from all races.
     
  8. Gerry Registered Senior Member

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    Blacks are not inferior, but black culture is going down. All these thug rappers taking over as statesmen, that's a bad sign.
     
  9. Dr Lou Natic Unnecessary Surgeon Registered Senior Member

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    I shouldn't be penalised for you not understanding the definition of racism, please at least let me know your definition, so I can have some chance at not accidentally crossing this abstract conceptual line which exists only in your mind.
    I know my comment in WEP calling to ban people of certain races was technically a (jokingly) racist comment, my comments here were not.
    You should be able to distinguish the difference, and if you can't you shouldn't be in charge of making these decisions.

    Also try to be consistent, and ban people for being racist against whites. And no this isn't a little tongue and cheek smartass comment, I'm seriously offended by the anti-white racism at sciforums. It's excessive, vicious and relentless (not light hearted and fun like my race related comments).
    I'm reacting as any wounded animal would. I didn't come here as a "racist", sciforums has forced me to come to the defense of my people and seem racist in the eyes of softcocks.
    The white dog is muzzled and tethered here while all the other coloured dogs rip the shit out of it. And most annoying is they don't even realise they're the villains, they think they're the good guys. What kind of fucking rug did whitey urinate on to deserve this shit?

    Don't even try to act like this is a level fair environment.
    There's clearly a morbid mutant breed of affirmative action being employed here and it's completely over the top.
    Look around, plenty of non-racist white people appear to be getting sick of it. Mountainhare, Roman, etc.

    And I think it's completely ridiculous and pathetic that racists are banned anyway, even full blooded unashamed KKK members with "don't snigger nigger the clan is getting bigger" signatures.
    I think such types are dicks but I still think it's a ridiculous joke that they are banned.
    I say idiots should be banned, this is allegedly an "intelligent community" not a "hand holding community", why are "mean" people banned? It doesn't make any sense.
    But what the fuck ever, it might be undebatable "policy" to ban racists, you could at least learn what racism is and not mindlessly mash the ban button when people make comments you fail to understand.
     
  10. J.B Banned Banned

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    What is racism?
     
  11. J.B Banned Banned

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    Is it racism to make up lies about a race of people like Alex1 here has done?

    Alex, lets see your #'s you "re-looked up".

    Here let a black man tell you how it be like:

    In one recent year, the FBI recorded 1.7 million violent acts -- murder, manslaughter, rape, and aggravated assault -- of interracial crime. Of that figure, nearly 1.2 million involved black-white crime. Ninety percent of these cases involved a black perpetrator and a white victim. Thus, blacks, while comprising 12 percent of the population, committed over one million acts of violent crime against whites. On the other hand, whites, while comprising 70 percent of the population, committed about 100,000 acts of violent crime against blacks.
    Look at hate crime. In 1995, the FBI recorded 7,947 incidents of hate crimes. But blacks, again while comprising 12 percent of the population, committed 27 percent of hate crimes. Whites, 70 percent of the population, committed 59 percent of hate crimes. And of the nearly one million black violent acts against whites, how many were driven by racial animus?

    http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=2702

    Thats right Alex1, 90% of interacial crime is BLACKS ATTACKING WHITES
     
  12. john smith Tongue in cheek Registered Senior Member

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    So the picture you posted in this thread was purly to show your heartly, warmfelt love, for all things equal?


    I dunno, what 'rug' store did you go to?

    You have got to be kidding me?

    James R, thank you for your decisve action :m:
     
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  13. J.B Banned Banned

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    That picture is how blacks live without any contact from whites.

    It's not racism it's reality, deal with it.
     
  14. Roman Banned Banned

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    http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm

    Most black crime is related to the crack industry. It's two gangs shooting eachother over where they can peddle their drugs.

    If you look at the graphs, black crime has taken a huge drop in the past decade, as well. The drop corresponds with crack becoming cheap and gangbangers getting out of the drug industry.

    Also, if you look at the greatest concentrations of black crime, you'll find them in urban areas where manufacturing industries pulled out, leaving a bunch of blue-collar workers behind, poor and unemployed. Poor, unemployed people leads to criminal people.

    It just so happened that a majority of the black population was far more vulnerable to this sort of thing than the majority of the white population.

    Blacks have really only has about a generation and a half to catch up with whitey. Hardly what I'd call a fair time period. European immigrants took two or three generations to catch up.
     
  15. J.B Banned Banned

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    If you would have read the facts from the link I gave you, you would have read this:

    86% of white victims were killed by whites
    94% of black victims were killed by blacks
     
  16. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Dr Lou Natic and J.B:

    I suggest you both start by looking up the definition of "racism" in the nearest dictionary.

    Specifically, Dr Lou, you were banned for your post which contained the following:

    Let me break it down for you.

    1. You imply that black people should be grateful to white people, and that they are not deferential enough.
    2. You imply that black people are not part of the music industry. (Ever heard of Jazz, or rock and roll, or Hip hop. Who invented those things?)
    3. You imply that the man in your picture is eating cow shit. You have no idea what he might be doing, but you make assumptions based on racist nonsense.
    4. You imply certain things about human evolution, and suggest that skin colour is responsible for the advance of civilisation.
    5. You imply that without white people, black people would not have advanced to create modern societies.

    All of these statements and implications are demonstrably incorrect. They reveal a small-minded prejudice and, incidentally, a disturbing lack of knowledge about the world and its history. And why do you make these comments? To try to assert your dominance as a "white" person over people you consider to be innately inferior to yourself, without any proof or logical reasoning whatsoever.

    That is racism, Dr Lou, and we don't need it here. If you're still in doubt, I advise you to do two things:

    1. Read up about racism. Do some personal research and learn what it is. Don't expect me to explain it to you like you are a child.
    2. If in doubt about whether an idea might be racist or not, first try to put yourself in the shoes of a member of the race you are talking about, and consider how they would take your comments. If you think they would be offended, your idea just might be racist, and it might be better not to post.
    3. If you're incapable of stepping outside your own narrow world to consider the point of view of another person, err on the side of caution, and just avoid the subject completely.

    The same comments apply equally to J.B. I hope they help both of you.

    I am consistent. If you think you have a problem with racial discrimination on the forum, hit the "report" button and I'll deal with it as is appropriate.

    Racist comments are never "fun" for the people you're discriminating against.

    You are not forced to post here. If you don't like the atmosphere here, vote with your feet and find another forum. I doubt you'll be missed.

    Affirmative action seeks to level the playing field by providing opportunities for underprivileged groups. I am not aware of any policy of affirmative action in operation at sciforums. Every poster is already on an equal footing, so affirmative action is not needed. All that is required is fair enforcement of the rules.

    Interesting choice of names there. Totally random, I am sure. But that's another discussion, and I will treat posts on sciforums on a case-by-case basis, not on a poster-by-poster basis, I assure you.

    Racists have the right to set up their own forums. There are already plenty of racist sites on the internet. I can't see a good reason why sciforums should provide one more forum for racist bigots.

    On the other hand, it is quite obvious that racists are not automatically and instantly banned here. Look around you. There are a number of openly racist posters here. And you're still here, aren't you? I think this shows a more than reasonable degree of tolerance.

    Mean people aren't banned unless they break the rules.

    Interesting. You start your post by admitting you don't know what racism is, yet you end it by telling me that I don't know what it is, which presumes that you know better. So which is it? Are you just inconsistent? Or dishonest?
     
  17. invert_nexus Ze do caixao Valued Senior Member

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    Actually, James. He has been missed. He's not been around much lately. The same with a lot of the old regulars. You have noticed the rather mundane (inane?) level of the forums of late? We can't blame it on overmoderation this time. The mods have been on vacation, and frankly it's been nice. But, lately you've been going off on this 'racism' kick.

    Lame.
    Since when have people been prevented from espousing unpopular viewpoints here?
    What are you going to do if Xev comes in with some of her patented racist comments?
    Frankly, I think that the recent moderator vacation has shown that we don't need the type of moderation that you are trying to reinvigorate. Perhaps an occasional thread can be closed if it gets too violently flaming. But, I'd say that the forums have been doing pretty damn good without our friendly neighborhood censorship patrol sticking its nose in everywhere.

    I think the time has come for the Sciforums moderation to realize that its true purpose is not to lead discussion, but to perform basic housecleaning tasks. Closing duplicate threads. Getting rid of spam. Moving inappropriately posted threads to the proper forums.

    That's about it.
    I think the members of the forum have no need of a net-nanny making sure that our virgin ears aren't wounded.

    The problem is that you seem to be on an ascending arc of moderator action. You're revving your engines and preparing to take the reins.
    Or perhaps this is a false impression. Only time will tell, I suppose.

    I reiterate my point that such actions are not needed here.
     
  18. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    invert_nexus:

    Your general comments are all well and good, and sound eminently reasonable, but I wonder if you actually have any specific complaints.

    Do you disagree with any of my recent actions, specifically? If so, perhaps you can give good reasons for why I should not have taken those specific actions. For example, do you believe that Dr Lou and J.B did not deserve their 3-day bans in this thread? If so, I would like to hear your detailed argument in their defence.
     
  19. apendrapew Oral defecator Registered Senior Member

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    Does it strike any of you as odd that they were banned because of remarks made in a thread in the Cesspool?
     
  20. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    No thread starts in the Cesspool. Things are moved there.
     
  21. jack54 Registered Senior Member

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    I'm lost; do you know what the Mason-Dixon line is?


    edit: sorry, it's a bit irrelevant now.. Didn't see the second page

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  22. Dr Lou Natic Unnecessary Surgeon Registered Senior Member

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    Yes, there is alot which is taken for granted. I feel inclined to remind people of these things while they are savagely attacking the white race.
    This isn't racism.
    Would "may I remind you that black people built this house" be a racist thing to say to a racist going on about how lazy africans are while he lounged about in a house built on slave labour?

    Incorrect. I said there wouldn't be a music industry for them to be a part of.
    This is true.
    Obviously they are a massive part of the music industry, and yes they clearly are naturally gifted rhythmically. Good on them.
    But as I said they should remember that white people have given them a stage and the means to express themselves to a global audience. A little appreciation wouldn't go astray. Hell, a little less blatant hatred and disdain wouldn't go astray.

    The caption for the photograph read: "disturbing image of bi-afran child searching for food in animal's anus".
    And besides, I don't think the image leaves much for interpretation james. What's he going to get sucking on a cow's arse? A makeover?

    I never suggested skin colour was responsible for the advance of civilisation. Skin colour can be responsible for sunburn and little else.
    White people are responsible for the advance of western civilisation, there have been outside contributions, but whitey, as an ancestral strain of homo-sapien, has been the manager/director of this progress.

    Ofcourse they wouldn't have. They didn't haven't and will not.
    It's a gradual process. When white people first visitted africa they were living as tribal hunter gathers, this is several rungs away from creating modern societies. It clearly wasn't on the horizon if you understand human beings. They were quite happily existing as hunter gatherers, their culture had hardly changed for 50 000 years and had no reason to suddenly drastically change within a few hundred.
    Untouched african populations are still today living as tribal hunter gatherers, as are new guinean populations, and aboriginal populations etc etc. That's the niche they're in. Were leopards about to make a huge leap into civilisation right before we interupted them james?

    Anyway it's fine that they can succeed as tribal hunter/gatherers, good on them. I am not one of those who think they are worse people for living that way. I don't think it's "insulting" to suggest they weren't about to create a modern society. Perhaps you should look at yourself for seeing this as insulting.

    I just think africans and other tribal peoples living in western civilisation should acknowledge that they're enjoying the comfort of a western civilisation which white people struggled, strived and died to build. And yes they should be gratefull, as I am, for what my white ancestors have done for me.

    Instead they're constantly complaining and viciously insulting the good for nothing white people while being pampered and fussed over.

    See, that right there IS racism, and I have not exhibitted it in this thread. Nor do I happen to be a racist.
    IE someone who judges and indivudial for their race. I don't do this, and even though it's a tired cliche, I really do not even notice people I meet are of another race. I don't pay it any mind anyway and certainly don't treat them any differently.
    You are the one automatically making these simplifications on what I'm saying, and connecting sparse distant dots to draw an elaborate free form picture in between them which has nothing to do with what I've said or how I feel.
    Like I said, you failed to understand my comments, and I paid the price.

    I feel obliged to defend white people here due to how much shit is slung their way, all the pro-white racists have been banned afterall, someone's gotta do it.
    There'd be a bit of balance if the pro-white racists were here and I could focus on something else.
    Yes, maybe outside of this message board.

    Perfectly consistent and honest.
    I said I don't know what your idea of racism is. I know what real racism is, you don't seem to.
    The issue of race is racism to you, you have the simple narrow minded view.
    If I told sci-member "leroy" to keep out of it because his damn negro brain doesn't enable him to comprehend complex issues, that would be racism.
    I didn't do that.
     
  23. J.B Banned Banned

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    James R

    I was and am attracked to your forum because you claim it as a science forum.

    From what I have been taught about science is that you learn about subjects and issues dealing with the truth and facts.

    This below is a emotional rant.


     

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