gas...problem already solved?

Discussion in 'Business & Economics' started by Alex1, Nov 11, 2005.

  1. Alex1 Registered Member

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    With gas prices riseing, doesnt it seem like the problem is already solved?

    Hybrid cars are already on the market, cars that use very little gas, but these cars are priced so high no-one can afford them, now wouldnt it seem if gas shortage were really a problem wouldnt these care be lower priced in order to concerve gas? Or is the rise in gas prices only due to the government and the debt we are in financially? This only started happening since bush was in office, and he spent these billions and billions of dollars putting our country in debt...anyone else have an opinion on this
     
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  3. taylan007 Madman Registered Senior Member

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    With gas, im guessing you mean petrol, (as we call it here in the uk). I personaly think its just business, they already have products making money for them in the market, and if they introduce another product that uses less to function it means we will spend less money, which means they will earn less money so they will try to millk us as much as they can untill they have to change.
     
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  5. cato less hate, more science Registered Senior Member

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    that makes no sense.

    moreover, they are more expensive because they are harder to make.

    neither of you guys came here for science did you? Science enthusiasts tend to be better at critical thinking.
     
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  7. Alex1 Registered Member

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    But you overlook the main concern

    Harder to make? They know exactly how to make them, A brand name soda is no harder to make than a lesser known one, but just for the name on the label they can charge more, just by putting the word 'hybrid' into a cars name, they can charge far more money, if gas was that much of an issue, it would be less expensive because of the need for them
     
  8. Mephura Applesauce, bitch... Valued Senior Member

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    you aren't serious, are you?
    How exactly does "putting the word 'hybrid' into a cars name" make it use less gas? Are you seriously that ignorant?

    When he say they are harder to make, what he is referring to is that they do not use solely a internal combustion engine. If they did, they wouldn't be hybrids.
    They use a combination of the ICE and an electric motor. How exactly that motor is used and charged depends on the company. So, this means addition parts and a redesign of the basic vehicle, hense a higher cost.

    Secondly, most hybrids aren't that much more expensive than a traditionally powered car, so your argument is complete nonsense. Try doing a little research before you dribble this mindless crap on the forum.

    Third, the country was already in debt before bush took office. It's been in debt for about half a century now. Again, get your facts straight.
    Here is one for you: Any clue who we are in debt to? Any guesses?

    Fourth, gas prices went up, for the most part, globally. Bush doesn't own every gas company. Since these two things are true, it doesn't make sense for you to blame everything blindly on one man.

    If anything, it's people like you that apparently don't know how to think for themselves that have lead us to the state we are in.

    And one last thing: "if gas was that much of an issue, it would be less expensive because of the need for them" makes no sense what so ever, or medicines and doctors would be free.

    Why don't you use that underdeveloped mas between your ears a bit more before posting again.
     
  9. Light Registered Senior Member

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    Hmmm. Besides not being well-versed in science, as Cato just mentioned, there seems to be a little bit of knowledge lacking in the area of design and manufacturing as well.

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    Hybrids are more expensive (and complex) to produce - and to maintain, I might add. And as to your original question/statement, if everyone could suddenly afford to and started driving hybrids tomorrow, the difference in oil consumption would probably be less than 14%. (Read that somewhere about a week or two ago Sorry, forgotten just where.)

    So the problem is FAR from being solved.
     
  10. ArmanTanzarian Registered Senior Member

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    Ford Escape Hybrid

    Base: $27,000.00

    Gasoline Engine
    Engine type 2.3L I4 engine Atkinson cycle
    Engine electronics Electronic engine controls
    Displacement 2.3L (140 CID)
    Horsepower (SAE net@rpm) 133@6,000
    Torque (lb.-ft.@rpm) 124@4250
    Fuel economy FWD 36 city/31 hwy.

    Decent. Not great. And at 133hp it's a pretty weak performer. Sure doesn't beat walking.

    Total Rumor: I heard insurance can be $$$ based on potential Hazardous Material spill from the The nickel-metal-hydride (NiMH) battery???

    Can anyone shed light on this?

    -b-
     
  11. Alex1 Registered Member

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    Does putting people down make you feel good? Because if you want Ill go through your post and find everything wrong with it, for example you spelled mass wrong, so instead of being an asshole, why dont you just present the facts instead of trying to act superior, yes science isnt my field, philosophy, debates on religon, things like that are, in those fields Ill run circles around you, not to mention im far younger than any of you here, so why not cut me some slack and try to inform me rather than put me down, oh and just to get the last word in

    In canada you get free healthcare, so in the peoples need for medicine and doctors it is free, why dont you use your brain, and think for a second before you write things like that
     
  12. Mephura Applesauce, bitch... Valued Senior Member

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    Only when it's people that speak (or in this case type) without bothering to put any thought into what they are saying (typing), as you have in this thread.

    *Claps* Bravo. You've found a typo. Now, if you are wantig to get down to that level, that horrible mess you have there is what is known as a run-on sentence. Try using a period once in a while. They work wonders.

    As for you trying to find everything wrong with my post, be my guest. It would be more conductive to you, however, if you put that attention to detail to your own lack of grammar.

    Facts? I gave you quite a few of them. If you didn't bother to pick up on them, that is no concern of mine.

    You debating me on religion and philosophy:
    Bring it on, pup.
    Superiority is a matter of who or what is being compared. In this case, it isn't a matter of me acting, it's a matter of me actually being superior.

    As for your age being an issue: I've seen kinds on here that are younger than you that, judging from your posts, think more thoroughly. You're age isn't my concern. You popping off and spewing forth mindless crap is.
    Cato attempted the nice route, explaining things calmly to you. You responded with some BS comparing differing designs and systems to similar products. (in case that lost you, standard ICE vehicles and Hybrids to soft drinks) When you actually pose a question that is making a bunch of wild assumptions, I will be more civil.
    If, when someone tries to inform you, you don't shrug it off, I will be more civil.

    Until that point, I see no reason to do so.

    And yes, I am well aware of the healthcare situation in Canada, which isn't free but rather paid for by th government with tax payer money (moron). So unless you are suggeseting that the US gov purchase all of it's citizens shiney new hybrid vehicles, your little 'fact' has no berence on the situation.
    Also, considering you were talking about Bush and the state of affairs in the U.S., I was speaking of the U.S. as well, where healthcare is not free.

    But, as already stated, it isn't free in Canada. It's paid for by the government with tax payer money.

    Any clue how a capitalist economy works??
     
  13. Alex1 Registered Member

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    Im very aware it comes from taxpayer money, also i wasnt disrespecting cato in any way, I simply made an analogy, if the analogy is incorrect then correct it. You on the otherhand are very childish and resorting to name calling (In case I lost you there, calling me a moron) Im sure there a lot of things you dont know, and if you wanted to learn about them you wouldnt appreciate someone treating you how you are treating me, superiority is just an illusion anyway, because when we die your life will have no more meaning than mine
     
  14. Mephura Applesauce, bitch... Valued Senior Member

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    That is the horse power of just the ICE. Combine the electric assist and it's rated at 155 hp, which isn't great, but it's not horible either.

    the regular escape has a hp rating of 153 (2.3 liter) to 200 (3.0 liter), and gets about 10mpg less. Not a bad little vehicle.
    I perfer the insight though...

    I don't know about the insurance, but while on the topic of indirect costs/savings: There are a tax incentives which actually give you a little bit of money for the purchase of one of the vehicles and you also have to consider how much you would save on gas per year.
     
  15. Mephura Applesauce, bitch... Valued Senior Member

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    That remains to be seen.
     
  16. Alex1 Registered Member

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    Any here Ill propose this

    Please dont call me a moron, anyone who seeks the anwsers obviously isnt stupid, just because I dont completly understand one thing doesnt mean I dont grasp other things

    In return, I will think a more before my next thread or post, looking back I really dont know what I was trying to say, Im not here to make enemies
     
  17. Mephura Applesauce, bitch... Valued Senior Member

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    it's all good.
    no harm no foul.

    And I was in a bit of a foul mood for some reason...
    I'm slightly off kilter, if you know what I mean.
     
  18. Alex1 Registered Member

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    Its ok, I really didnt think while posting, I was letting my mind wander, it really was pointless
     
  19. taylan007 Madman Registered Senior Member

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    Yeah i know that but its not in my nature to go for the most obvious answer. And i get the feeling the answer to this question isnt as obvious as you make it.
     

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