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Discussion in 'General Philosophy' started by among shadows, Nov 11, 2005.

  1. among shadows Registered Member

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    ..but you lied. Now get in the ground.

    Tell me your thoughts on this:

    Do you think that there will ever be an end to hatred?

    for all the questions i answer, only more arise..possibly someone else could shed light that i cannot see.
     
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  3. Alex1 Registered Member

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    It cant end because as long as there is loveing, there has to be another feeling to balance it out, or else how would you know what love was? Or kindness? Its like saying how do you know your happy if your never sad? How can you like someone or something, if you feel that way about everything around you, if you dont have the ability to hate then youve taken away a part of what makes you human. Should we hate? No, but unfortunatly we are all capable of it and always will be, and as long as we are all capable someone will
     
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  5. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    When there are no humans there will be no hate.
     
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  7. Alex1 Registered Member

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    Very good point, perhaps in animals....in they last longer than humans, but even then maybe on other planets if there is life, hatred could still exist
     
  8. water the sea Registered Senior Member

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    Yes, when we die.
     
  9. Alex1 Registered Member

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    Or when all material things are gone, we will have almost no reason to hate.. even though im sure we would find some, but death is the most likely scenario
     
  10. Prince_James Plutarch (Mickey's Dog) Registered Senior Member

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    Hatred is not, in and of itself, a bad emotion. Should not we hold a healthy hatred of that which is bad?
     
  11. among shadows Registered Member

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    I like your perspective.

    but..

    would not the cycle start anew?
     
  12. glaucon tending tangentially Registered Senior Member

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    Why is it that you believe all hate to be necessarily connected to material things?

    I would argue that more hate derives from non-material things. More people kill for love or ideals than any material thing ever.
     
  13. among shadows Registered Member

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  14. Prince_James Plutarch (Mickey's Dog) Registered Senior Member

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    Among Shadows:

    The cycle of hatred would indeed seem to start anew, but whether or not this is a bad thing, as noted, depends on to what end this hatred is focused. Hatred, in and of itself, need not be considered evil. Nor is it really reasonable to suspect that it will end, owing to what seems to be "the nature of humanity", as it were
     
  15. water the sea Registered Senior Member

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    Prince_James,


    What is a "healthy hatred"?
    Is a person who hates, happy? Can you be happy when you are hating?


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    glaucon,


    People kill for non-material things? People perform material acts (ie. killing) for non-material reasons?
    That may seem so, but it is definitely misguided action.

    Also, when people kill for love, they are killing for material reasons: they think that love is somehting that is materially based and can be attained if the proper material situation is created. For example, I might kill your wife in the hopes that you would then love me; with this act I would state that I believe love is material and can be attained by materialistic means.

    When people kill for ideals -- they kill for material reasons. Poeple kill for freedom or equality, because they think this will enable them to live better -- live better in the sense that they won't have to fear for their safety in the face of terrorist attacks, or because they think this is how they will get better jobs and better life standard (like the Germans killed Jews and others because they were taking away what the Germans believed to be rightfully theirs).

    People kill for ideals only if these ideals imply a material benefit.

    I don't know of any examples where people would kill (except maybe singular psychopathological cases) in the name of an ideal for the sake of the ideal.
     
  16. Prince_James Plutarch (Mickey's Dog) Registered Senior Member

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    water:

    A healthy hatred is a hatred which fundementally arises from a Will to Power and the strive towards the Freudian Erotic. In essence, to hate that which is the cause of suffering, of problems, of "evil", as it is a threat that brings with it a calamity which must be attacked. Whilst in the state of active hatred - passive hatred would be defined as "having a hatred for things not present at time and not brought to the fore" - one cannot rightfully be happy, no, as one is faced with something which one ought to detest, at is not condusive to happiness and life as one sees it.
     
  17. c7ityi_ Registered Senior Member

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    What makes you think the bad things are necessarily bad?
     
  18. Prince_James Plutarch (Mickey's Dog) Registered Senior Member

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    C7ityi:

    If something is bad, then it must be necessarily bad as one experiences it.
     
  19. Foxhound007 A registered voter Registered Senior Member

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    here we go again. BAD and GOOD are subjective. I have read to many forums not to know that. You cant fight on good and bad, because it matters on different views.

    -beauty is to the eye of the beholder

    and so is right and wrong good or bad or __________(insert abstract concept here)
     
  20. Foxhound007 A registered voter Registered Senior Member

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    Go watch the movie Pleasentville. Its another teen movie, but the message it carries is pretty provocative. Without humans, there is a void of emotions, hate, love, happiness, joy included.
     
  21. KennyJC Registered Senior Member

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    I certainly think we'll cope better with it in future. Look at the way society has evolved. It's much less cruel. Although in some parts of the word it still has some way to go...
     
  22. c7ityi_ Registered Senior Member

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    I think bad things are good because they help to understand the truth.
     

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