I prefer the proper terminology because the simple term racist is a disqualifier I am not racist you may call me biased against islam, that is fine islam is biased against me (since I profess no belief in god or allah or whoever). So the playing field is level. Hater is another trendy disqualifier call someone a hater and you can silence them regardless whether what they say has any validity or not. Antiseptic no? As far as 15 year old boys go I was working with mostly muslim refugee youth 12 years ago that was my first introduction to the hatred bred by islam. Again with the haters anti-haters..say isn't an anti-hater a hater of hater? Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Agreed world events are much broader but if we want to get down to the minute of world events and woes then we can't take violent creeds off the table (that includes Bush & Co.) The anti-haters can be accused of the same I bet you I have read more about islam, islamic sources included, than most muslims here. Fox news is a right wing mouth piece and just about everybody knows it.
Yes, haters is a loaded term and might be unfair in some way but really haters are haters. Dislike of hate is why some of us hate hateful speach. I don't think the Anti-hate haters are as hatefull as the pro hate haters. They hit us, but we hit them first. They hit us was our most rational reason for hating them. You may have read more writing on Islam than me. I hope you were not reading pro-hate pseudo scholars. There are so many of them. The hateful 12 year old Islamic boy was probably hating us for the same reason we hate them. His head was filled with nasty lying half truths about us because his leaders are using the hate, and people are naturaly bigots and our people hit his people. I know enough about Islam to know that it is not much more usable for instigating violence than Christianity is. This terrorism against the west is soley because the west is a player in the Middle Easts power struggles. Bigotry hate and xenophobia on both sides are being stoked and used by the players in this covert civil war. I have traveled and lived abroad. People are people and the Islamic folks are no exception. They are not different from us. I am not aware of any Islamic people ever posting on the World Events or politics forum. I have to stop ranting on this thread now because I have already hijacked this thread too much.
You are correct, I agree. As I've said before - they invited them in - not the public. And they have created a huge problem in British society. The government are not going to stop immigrants coming in even if they had the power and resources to do so (which they haven't) It is all out of control. If I was promised a better life - a well paid job - free healthcare - free schooling - free housing - I would go to that country who invited me - with all the goodies involved. And thats what was offered to the immigrants - who can blame them for taking up the offer. I don't blame them for coming here(though I wish they hadn't) I blame the government. It has all spiralled out of control now and all we hear about in the UK is integration, multiculture, diversity, any fucking excuse to clear the mess the government has created - but it isn't working. The British Islamic youth of today has a mixed identity, it doesn't know where its roots lay. Is he/she British or Asian or Muslim. There are so many problems in the UK today I could go on for hours. The bombs would have gone off anyway - nothing to do with discrimination - there are terrorists in the UK today, and the strikes would have gone off anyway regardless of loss of life indiscriminately. Another problem here is that England doesn't even exist. It is not a political country, it doesn't have its own government and I cannot claim to be English legally. But yes you are right - politicians have been disloyal. Free speech no longer exists for fear of upsetting the racial applecart. The tough political brigade boys have made it unbearable to even think let alone say what is on your mind. I mean - get a load of this. In London the Christmas lights cannot be called exactly that - they have to be called Winter lights - for fear of upsetting the immigrants. One example of thousands that I could give you I believe we all have that territory animal instinct with us even today. That is why the world has so many problems with mixed races and mixed religions - they dont mix too well.
Oh more from your country men. On a false case and lies and rumors, and now this, just great. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051104/ap_on_re_eu/britain_desecrated_cemetery
So, does this mean that non-Marxists, non-socialists, non-anti-capitalists, non-progressives, non-anarchists, non-Liberals, are covered by the protections of the same "rule"? Does this mean an end to the culture of quasi-intellectual inbreeding herein and abouts? Whoops. Sorry. Am I being too racy?
It isnt great - it is disgusting! Whoever has done this needs severly punishing. There are many acts of this nature that dont even hit the media, and it is usually an attack on a white Brit by someone of a different faith. You wont like that, but it is true.
Oh yeah. White people are so evil. Really, what's the point. Half a year ago in my country Muslims were arrested for painting swastikas on graves at a graveyard for people that died during WW2.
I find it funny that i am accused of selecting news items that are biased against *uslims, ANSWER ME THIS ONE QUESTION PLEASE, SINCE SEPT11 THE NEWS PROGRAMMES AROUND THE WORLD, 75% TO 85% OF THERE NEWS CONTENT IS ABOUT *SLAM & *USLIMS, now if i am guilty of being biased in my reporting of world events, then the BBC, CNN, & fox news are more guilty than me, i report very little about this crap, they report this *slamic *ilitant crap all day. Hey please tell me i am wrong, maybe you are watching a news channel that is broadcasting from mars, and the news content is different. As for someone saying here, i could just as easily select random stories of christians doing the same, please do, but you might have to wait a few years before you get a story of christian beheadings, or christians bombing innocents, or planes flying into buildings. Everything i have stated above is the bleeding obvious, i suggest some posters should take off there airline eyemask. and take out there noise earplugs, and actually listen to the news for once. Then please list all the christain terroist activities the next day, and maybe in 20 or 30 years time when you have a hot story i can reply to it. 99% of my threads on *ilitants refer to terroist killings, or oppressing females which is something i do not like, i do not see women as a doormat, as far as i am concerned they should have equal rights in all religons. America is not my country however since sept11, i realised that this terroism is a worldwide thing, it is not confined to the sand dunes, and oil countries anymore. And i am not in the minority in my opinion, as you well know, people of this religon, are being refused jobs all over europe because of there name, hence part of the reason of the french riots, there are serious debates going on about *uslim headscarfs being worn in schools all over europe, there are new terroist laws being brought in all over europe. So it seems. the vast majority of europe is fixated with *slam too. My gripe is about terroism not a religon, the biggest threat to mankind today is not birdflu, but terroism, to ignore that story, is to sign your own death warrant. I hope the truth of the matter clarifies things here.
you are asking us to actually believe a handful of Muslim terroorists were able to bypass American military ad Secret Service security with box cutters....and what, moblie phones ..?...and, in a crystal lit morning in centre of NYC, SUCCESSFULLY, right-off the World Trade Centre etc
You want me to join your fantasy world again duendy, alright it was snow white & the seven dwarfs who did sept11, does that go better with your conscience, heaven forbid blame the real perps.
Really why not I read loads of posts from the supposed anti-haters full of venom for those with a different opinion than themselves. Is this guy a hater?? here Who are you considering as "reading pro-hate pseudo scholars." and who makes that decision? If someone has a valid point of view who is it that has a right to disqualify them as haters?? Does this excuse any behaviour? is that where we are going? "Oh I see you are killing me because someone who looks like me did something bad to you" Does that sort of mentality serve the peopleyou are trying to defend?? Bullocks jesus preached turn the other cheek,do unto your neighbor as you would have done to yourself etc. Mohammed killed people, robbed people, had a 9year old girl as wife etc. there is no comparison Partially agree but disagree congratulations I too have traveled and lived abroad for 9 years now but I will say (from my experience) that there is a difference between those who are actively muslims and those who simply come from muslim background. try 567, dkb128, skywalker, to name a few. I have to stop ranting on this thread now because I have already hijacked this thread too much.[/QUOTE]
No no it must've been teh illuminati and their leet teleport techniques to make muslims look bad. Or wait, perhaps they were evil clones designed to look like muslims.. yes.
Sorry Asguard, this thread is hopelessly hijacked and I hepled do that. If you want the thread back let us know. The thread was about what should Sciforums do about racist hate threads. Now back off topic I go: I can't defend my position there, it is just my impression. Do gooder Liberals just seem more like whiners than haters to me. My guess is that the writer is a hater and those 3 Islamic leaders that he is criticizing are extreme haters. I forget which people at Sciforums gave links to writers claiming to show the violent nature of Islam. There are so many unobjective writers that I have started to read that I have decided fit descrpition of Pro-Hate pseudo scholars. It seems to be a cottage industry. Charlie Rose used to have some of them on his show during the build up to the Iraq war. Ok I will give one name, one of the most seemingly scholarly and widely acclaimed pro-hate pseudo scholars is Samuel P Huntington. I don't claim to have read much of his writing but what I have read made me think that he was a crackpot and it saddened my that he is so respected. At the other extreme we have Franklin Graham, Pat Robertson and his TV guests. Scholars don't take Robertson's supposed facts seriously but a lot of people do. There are thousands of writers in between Robertson and Huntington in scholarlyness who also unobjective Islam bashers according to me. Me!! The lord of pretentiousness. Gingrich and Limbaugh taught me well. I kind of like Gingrich and know that Limbaugh is good at what he does. I did not know "haters" was trendy. I thought I was being creative in a Gingrich "capture the language of the debate" sort of way by using the "haters" word. But I am serious about thinking that underneath everything "us versus them" instincts and the natural accompanying hatefulness is the correct explanation for what is driving all this crap. I don't want to defend Islamic people who are Haters of the west. My point was that the cycle of them hating us and us hating them while using each others violence as justification for hatefulness is counterproductive. If one side claims that "we are justified because we are the bigger victims" then like the "Hatfields and Mccoys" the killing and hate will escalate untill both sides are too exhausted to keep fighting. This is not what I want for the world. I see no difference between westerners who hate Islam and Islamic people who hate the West. The leaders of Iran and America both use this hate to strenghthen their hold on power. Hamas and Likud help each other gain power because both by pretend that only tough guys like themselves can defend the people from those bad other guys. The old Testament has genocides sanctioned by god in it. The words of Jesus are why I said "not much" more usable. Hate is hate and can use any religion. Nothing proves that hate can use any religion more than the killing of Indians (native Americans) for Jesus. There is no way Jesus would approve of that, but the writings of Paul and the old testament can be twisted to sanction genocide. Twisted Christianity played a role in Hitler's Holocaust. Germans weren't stupid or evil but they gave into hate. Now I see too many Americans giving into hate. My pro-Islamic scholar friend justifies Mohhamed by saying he created order and justice in a land of criminal chaos and debauchery. But he is biased because he was a musician first and fell in love with Islamic Qawwali music. Funny, the Taliban banned music. Islam is diverse. My puritan ancestors also banned music. Christianity is also diverse. What does activly Muslim mean? If you don't raise money to bomb abortion clinics does that mean that you are not actively Christian? If a Pakistani Shiite flails himself until he bleeds every year and prays 5 times a day is he not actively Muslim if he does not partake in anti-Western hate speach and his mullah does not give anti western sermons? How do you know who is activly Muslim? Based on my interpretation of the words of Jesus I don't think Pat Robertson is actively Christian. Pat Robertson would not agree. Based on my beliefs and lack of church going Pat Robertson would say that I am not actively Christian, but I would disagree.
no no nooooo, you are dukin what i am askin, and using ad homs to deflect at the same time. i am asking you and the others here who sahre your view....is it PLAUSIBLE to you that a handfl of terrorists armes wit box-cuters would be able to dodge U.S. securiy systems, and ht the taget right on tehead totallywasting te world trade centre, etc. is i plausible is all i'me askin you at te moment. not to get accusatins i am a conspiracy theorits bla de bal. we may come t that later. just focus on my question. is it plausible to you?
We really need respect in this forum All the discussions turn into heated Christianity/Islam debates where people insult each other and their ideologies. The new mod has to make sure that these things don't happen again. I am tired of seeing all the topics loosing their points. There is also a religion section on this forum. You can do whatever you want there. You can be biased but you still have to RESPECT the other one's opinion.
I don't think this stuff belongs in the religion section because were not talking about comparative theology or religious doctrine. Some would have us believe that violence is connected with Islam but they are wrong. This is all about "US versus Them". I think we should make a section called "US versus Them +Flaming" for this stuff. If you talk trash about Islam or the West you are flaming a group just as if you talk trash about one Sciforums member you are flaming an individual.
