Should prostitution be illegal?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by JTFdotORG, Oct 24, 2005.

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Prostitution legal?

  1. It should be legal

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  2. It shouldn't be legal

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  3. I don't care.

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  1. justagirl Registered Senior Member

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    Max, I'm a lil' confused on your last point?
     
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  3. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    baron the goverment ALREADY interfears in this because its illegal, but ill bite. This isnt the US, here workers have rights and so do coustimers. They have the right to have a safe working enviroment, they have the right to get a product that wont kill them (or come back 20 years later for that matter). The US might say thats interfearing but we think that is why we PAY tax so that we can have those protections. If you think making it illegal is not interfearing go right ahead
     
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  5. Nysse God is dead Registered Senior Member

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    Well, where is your proof that the majority are over age, then?

    Thanks, I thought so too.
     
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  7. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    I don't know, but I've heard that the incubation time for, say, HIV is up to something like 3 weeks .....so will the government hold that prostitute in some kind of jail/quarantine after each and every "job"? And if they don't, then how can they guarantee that she's free of diseases and that she can't give it to the next customer?

    Ye're putting much too much trust and faith in "government workers"!

    How does your govenrment guarantee that the prostitutes do not have HIV infections that are still dormant(or haven't shown up yet)? Aren't you putting too much trust and faith in "government workers"? From what little I know about you, that does not sound like you talking!

    Baron Max
     
  8. justagirl Registered Senior Member

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    I wouldn't have a problem with mandatory STD screening for licensed prostitutes. Truthfully, the better brothels or pimps already require it. Nothing would put a brothel out of business quicker than giving everyone STD's. And of course, some STD's are going to go undetected.
     
  9. one_raven God is a Chinese Whisper Valued Senior Member

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    Max,
    You accuse me of being untruthful and claim what I say is a lie.
    Does that mean I can safely assume that you have read statistics pertaining to this, or are you just being blatantly hypocritical?
    I have read studies and seen countless statistics backing up what I have said.
    Here is two quick refernces for you (of the countless studies done).

    http://www.icasa.org/uploads/prostitution.pdf
    http://www1.umn.edu/aurora/sexindustrystats.pdf

    I don't care to discuss things with people who are willing to be openly dishonest in an attempt to win an argument by any means necessary.
    Please at least try and be honest in your debates.
     
  10. gukarma Beijo do Gordo! Registered Senior Member

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    Legalization involves regularization, which is not something we want for whores.

    Besides, it sends a message to teenagers that it's ok to be a prostitute. That's not good. I am a liberal and an atheist, but I still believe in the purity and integrity of love.

    Besides, I don't think any women (most prostitutes are females, I assume) WANT to be prostitutes. The profession makes it impossible to live a regular life. The great majority of prostitutes get into it for necessity, which is caused by problems in the system.

    We should remediate problems in the system by making it easier or otherwise more acceptable for citizens to suffer.
     
  11. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    and those who DO want to do it? Its there body not yours, we should be alowing everything that doesnt cause harm to a non concenting adult and by legalising it you can help those who DONT want to do it get out. As for the teens its ALSO there choice, i dont want to clean toilets but i wouldnt tell someone else they cant nor would i tell someone what they can and cant do with there own body. THATS whats imoral
     
  12. justagirl Registered Senior Member

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    However, there are lots of people, myself included, that think sex is natural and beautiful. One of my favorite quotes


    And while I admit, it's a stretch to call prostitution sex, it's equally wrong to argue that prostitution is wrong because you like to be in love before you have sex.

    There are more male prostitutes than you think, but the lack of an education and alternative opportunity have more to do with making it difficult for some prostitutes to change careers.

    Though, you'd be surprised at the number of girls that turn to prostitution as a supplemental income or a primary source of income while attending college.
     
  13. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    One_Raven, you said that "...the vast majority" of prostitutes are underage. Neither of your links proved that and, I daresay, that you couldn't even find a link with that info in it. Just think a bit about what you said ......"The vast majority of prostitutes are underage." You made the accusation, it's your place to prove it.

    As to the personal attacks, I really don't think they're necessary, do you?

    Baron Max
     
  14. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    Well, think about it .....how long is it before any of the STDs actually show up in a test from the time of intercourse? And is the prostitute to be held in some kind of quarantine until that time period is over and the tests are actually valid?

    And if not, and she's permitted (by the authorities) to continue to have sex, then how can the authorities gaurantee that the girl is disease-free? I.e., if they actually can't protect the customers, then why should they even be involved in the situation?

    Prostitution should NOT be legalized, it just should be DE-criminalized. A woman, any woman, should be free to fuck anyone she wants, any time she wants.

    Baron Max
     
  15. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    I think that prostitution is business like any other business (models, dancers, etc) so it should be a legal profession with state benefits, appropriate health insurance, etc.

    They could even be entitled to teach sex education at schools after retire. :m:
     
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  16. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    Well, perhaps we could do it like we do engineers and architects? They have to pass certain tests of the state before they're permitted to practice engineering or architecture.

    As to the appropriate state benefits and health insurance, there ain't none! An engineer or architect in private practice has to provide his own insurance and state benefits are not much, if anything. I.e., in private practice, you can't apply for unemployment benefits ...because you were NOT employed, you were in private practice.

    So, sure ....prostitution could be just like that. The woman has to show in state tests that she can give good blowjobs and fuck pretty good. Once that's done, she gets a little card that says she's permitted to practice prostitution in the state. Yeah, I'll go along with that.

    Baron Max
     
  17. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    Brothels employ.
     
  18. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    So ye're going to FORCE the women to work in brothels???? Why can't they work out of their homes or have their own "offices" where they work? Geez, they don't even force architects to work in someone else's office, for god's sake! ...LOL!

    Now, it seems, ye're just trying to make this prostitution thing a "fuckin' meat market", huh? And are you gonna' have the USDA CHOICE marks stamped on their ass, too? ...LOL!

    Baron Max
     
  19. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    No, they could choose whatever they want with the advantage that if working in a brothel you get employment benefits. Why such a slippery slope attitude? I didn't mention anything about forcing.

    It's a market as it is, with its' customer base, etc,
    maybe I should write a course paper on this, design a Prostitution Law for Latvia,
    could be fun and interesting. Thanks!
     
  20. justagirl Registered Senior Member

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    Having someone tested for STD's once a month is a far cry from placing them in a quarantine. And yes of course, there is no guarantee, but when is there?

    Granted, there is a risk for those who use the services of a prostitute. The difference, if they are properly licensed and regularly tested, they are actually much safer than the "dates" people tend to pick up in single's bars. I would hope that either way you'd be using safe sex, though it's something else a regulated prostitute would require.
     
  21. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    also providing things like the morning after pill at there workplace if needed and stuff to treat crabs. Plusmaking sure they dont work when they are ill with cirtan deseases (NOT just STD's) like conjuntivitis and tolinsilitiis
     
  22. one_raven God is a Chinese Whisper Valued Senior Member

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    Max,
    What personal attacks?
    You said that what I said "is absolutely NOT TRUE!!".
    That means one of two things.
    Either you have seen statistics and reports that claim otherwise, of you are being a dishonest hypocrite. It HAS to be one or the other.
    Just about every report that has come out in the past twenty years or so state that 75 - 80% (or more) of prostitutes start at age 14 or lower.
    You know I was addressing your statement
    directly, and attempting to educate you on why people being up child abuse in relation to prostitution.
    The point was obviously that the two ARE intimately related, because more than 80% of all prostitues started as CHILD (many of them as young as 10 or 11).
    If you want to get into the pedantic argument of how many people who are actively practicing this day are underage, be my guest, but you won't drag me into it.
    It does not affect the point I was making at all, it simply obfuscates the real issue.
    What IS the real issue, the staggering number of child prostitutes mean that prostitution and child abuse are two intrinsically intertwined issues.

    It it quite clear to me (as a result of this discussion and many others) that you care less about truth and open discussion than you do about simply pushing your point of view across. I don't care for discussing things with people who will resort to dishonest tactics, bullying and blatant justification as a means to "win" a debate. I prefer open, honest discussion. I come here to discuss issues, possibly teach others and certainly learn from others. We seem to have different goals, therefore continuing this would be pointless.
    Have a good day.
     
  23. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    One_Raven, you said that the "vast majority" of prostitutes were underage. The links you provided did not support that statement. Your statement about prostitutes "starting at age 14 or lower", which appears to be supported, still does NOT mean that the "vast majority" of prostitutes are underage. You made the statement, I asked for evidence .....and you still haven't provided it.

    It's difficult to carry on a discussion with someone who makes such statements as fact, yet has nothing to back it up. What are we to do? ...simply accept anything that you or anyone else posts?

    Baron Max
     
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